Ozzie Suspended

[Money]

What if his opinion was that he loved that SOB Hitler because he was able to stay in power for as long as he did even though so many people hated him? Or Bin Laden pre-2011 because we had all these people looking for him but can't find him?

I realize it's a reductio ad absurdum argument, but people in public-facing positions get fired for stupid opinions all the time. This isn't a 1st Amendment issue. This is Public Relations 101.

Hmm, so by this logic, if Bruce Bochy admitted to being a Rick Santorum supporter, he should be suspended or fired? Saying something unpopular in your community and deserving punitive action because of it should not always go together and it creates a pretty slippery slope.

Comparing this guy to an American political figure is a bit ridiculous. Free speech is a part of who we are. Also is free enterprise and if I don't like what you have to say, as an employer I can deem whatever consequenses I see fit. One only needs to go back high school history to know that this guy has been a brutal dictator. It goes back to Dwight D. Eisenhower and all the failed assasination attempts we tried, culminating with the bay of pigs. He sided up with the Soviets and allowed them to store nuclear weapons on the island which led to the cuban missile crisis. Our entire country was at risk. We got to Sadaam, we got to Bin Laden, we just didn't get to this idiot when we had the chance.

If the Marlins still want Ozzie to coach so be it, but it's definitely within their right to punish him in any way they see fit. The people of Miami will continue to speak. They paid for the stadium and they pay the bills for that franchise. Free speech, I'm all for it. Fire the idiot with the anti-American quotes while he represents (if it was my) organization, I'm all for that to!!!

[rockitsauce]

[quote="Money"] Free speech is a part of who we are. Also is free enterprise and if I don't like what you have to say, as an employer I can deem whatever consequenses I see fit. [quote]

"Free speech is a part of who we are".....until it isn't. Like when someone expresses an unpopular opinion.

Last I checked Ozzie Guillen was a baseball manager, he ain't Sec. of State. And why are ex-Cubans getting so worked up? They don't even live there anymore. They live in a country where people are FREE to express their opinion. Shall we become like the place they fled? Unpopular or opposing views not accepted here. Because of the large ex-pat cuban community in Miami they should be allowed to bully Marlin mgmt to fire a manager. No one gave a shit when AZ passed the Nazi-ish SB 1070 ? Selig now says MLB has a social responsibility, blah blah blah...where was that social responsibility when the MLB All Star game was played in PHX last yr?


http://youtu.be/cpbbuaIA3Ds

[BK METS]

Free speech is a part of who we are. Also is free enterprise and if I don't like what you have to say, as an employer I can deem whatever consequenses I see fit.

"Free speech is a part of who we are".....until it isn't. Like when someone expresses an unpopular opinion.

Last I checked Ozzie Guillen was a baseball manager, he ain't Sec. of State. And why are ex-Cubans getting so worked up? They don't even live there anymore. They live in a country where people are FREE to express their opinion. Shall we become like the place they fled? Unpopular or opposing views not accepted here. Because of the large ex-pat cuban community in Miami they should be allowed to bully Marlin mgmt to fire a manager. No one gave a shit when AZ passed the Nazi-ish SB 1070 ? Selig now says MLB has a social responsibility, blah blah blah...where was that social responsibility when the MLB All Star game was played in PHX last yr?


http://youtu.be/cpbbuaIA3Ds

Free speech allows us to say whatever we want. But, when you are running a business and the person who is the face of your business expresses his "love" for a dictator who was responsible for the murder and torture of innocent people for nearly 50 years, you have the right to suspend or even fire that person. Its really not that complicated.. its not like the guy is getting arrested for what he said. You can support Hitler or whoever you want, in this country.... doesnt mean I want you to work for me.

[rockitsauce]

You can support Hitler or whoever you want, in this country.... doesnt mean I want you to work for me.

so b/c someone supports free speech that makes them a nazi. You are an idiot. To continue arguing w/ you would be pointless.

[DOUGHBOYS]

There is freedom of speech and then there is free speech.

Donald Trump can say, "You're FIRED!".
But, Trump can't yell, "FIRE!!" in a movie theatre.
Vin Scully can pal around with Dee Gordon and say, "You are on fast son of a bitch!"
But Scully may get fired if saying it on the air.

We have freedom of speech. But, there have always been penalties.
As a kid on the playground in a baseball game, every time another kid whiffed or made an error, they would say, "Shit!"
I didn't know what the word was or even that it was bad. What I did know was how to use the word.
When I got home that day, my Mom asked me to clean my room.
I responded with my new word.
A spanking and newly crowned Champion soap taster later, I knew that freedom of speech did not include saying that word in our home.

We are afforded free speech. But, there are still penalties in life, both criminally and personally, for taking that right a bit too far. Our rights to both freedom of speech and freedom of the press have been stretched a lot farther than our forefathers could know. But, then again, the word 'technology' referred to things like cotton gins back in those days.

We can say stupid things like Ozzie said. We have that right.
Time Magazine can print the stupid things Ozzie says. They have that right.
Employers also do what they think is best for their companies. They have that right.
It all still works.

Let's face it. The five days off is a slap on the hand.
If we were given five days without pay, it may hurt us.
Not Ozzie.
Laughable in a way. It gives Ozzie that much more free time to say stupid stuff.


The statement itself amused me too.
I can say that because I have the right to free speech.
Ozzie was impressed by Castro because he had avoided getting killed for so long.
It's like admiring Bin Laden for the quality of his video tapes while thought to be living in a cave.
Or admiring Hitler for having the guts to wear such a cheesy mustache.
Or admiring Lee Harvey Oswald's marksmanship.
Or like admiring Greinke's five k's on the stat sheet yesterday.
The amusement was found in the stupidity of the admiration.
Taking that stupidity further and telling Time Magazine his thoughts without thinking of the ramifications puts Ozzie on a Yahoo Kid level playing in the NFBC.
Yep, like everything else for me, it all comes full circle back to fantasy baseball

[chest .rockwell]

Free speech allows us to say whatever we want. But, when you are running a business and the person who is the face of your business expresses his "love" for a dictator who was responsible for the murder and torture of innocent people for nearly 50 years, you have the right to suspend or even fire that person. Its really not that complicated.. its not like the guy is getting arrested for what he said. You can support Hitler or whoever you want, in this country.... doesnt mean I want you to work for me.[/quote]


BK we agree 100% you can say or support whoever you want. When that negatively impacts your employer they can exercise a few freedoms they have too.

[chest .rockwell]

There is freedom of speech and then there is free speech.

Donald Trump can say, "You're FIRED!".
But, Trump can't yell, "FIRE!!" in a movie theatre.
Vin Scully can pal around with Dee Gordon and say, "You are on fast son of a bitch!"
But Scully may get fired if saying it on the air.

We have freedom of speech. But, there have always been penalties.
As a kid on the playground in a baseball game, every time another kid whiffed or made an error, they would say, "Shit!"
I didn't know what the word was or even that it was bad. What I did know was how to use the word.
When I got home that day, my Mom asked me to clean my room.
I responded with my new word.
A spanking and newly crowned Champion soap taster later, I knew that freedom of speech did not include saying that word in our home.

We are afforded free speech. But, there are still penalties in life, both criminally and personally, for taking that right a bit too far. Our rights to both freedom of speech and freedom of the press have been stretched a lot farther than our forefathers could know. But, then again, the word 'technology' referred to things like cotton gins back in those days.

We can say stupid things like Ozzie said. We have that right.
Time Magazine can print the stupid things Ozzie says. They have that right.
Employers also do what they think is best for their companies. They have that right.
It all still works.

Let's face it. The five days off is a slap on the hand.
If we were given five days without pay, it may hurt us.
Not Ozzie.
Laughable in a way. It gives Ozzie that much more free time to say stupid stuff.


The statement itself amused me too.
I can say that because I have the right to free speech.
Ozzie was impressed by Castro because he had avoided getting killed for so long.
It's like admiring Bin Laden for the quality of his video tapes while thought to be living in a cave.
Or admiring Hitler for having the guts to wear such a cheesy mustache.
Or admiring Lee Harvey Oswald's marksmanship.
Or like admiring Greinke's five k's on the stat sheet yesterday.
The amusement was found in the stupidity of the admiration.
Taking that stupidity further and telling Time Magazine his thoughts without thinking of the ramifications puts Ozzie on a Yahoo Kid level playing in the NFBC.
Yep, like everything else for me, it all comes full circle back to fantasy baseball

I searched my cell phone yesterday for your number to call you and congratulate you on your great start and then realized you are still stuck in 1981 and are probably wondering who shot JR tonight.

[DOUGHBOYS]

My Pet Rock says different!

Thanks Kent.

[ToddZ]

My Mood Ring says different!

Thanks Kent.

FIXED!!

[BK METS]

There is freedom of speech and then there is free speech.

Donald Trump can say, "You're FIRED!".
But, Trump can't yell, "FIRE!!" in a movie theatre.
Vin Scully can pal around with Dee Gordon and say, "You are on fast son of a bitch!"
But Scully may get fired if saying it on the air.

We have freedom of speech. But, there have always been penalties.
As a kid on the playground in a baseball game, every time another kid whiffed or made an error, they would say, "Shit!"
I didn't know what the word was or even that it was bad. What I did know was how to use the word.
When I got home that day, my Mom asked me to clean my room.
I responded with my new word.
A spanking and newly crowned Champion soap taster later, I knew that freedom of speech did not include saying that word in our home.

We are afforded free speech. But, there are still penalties in life, both criminally and personally, for taking that right a bit too far. Our rights to both freedom of speech and freedom of the press have been stretched a lot farther than our forefathers could know. But, then again, the word 'technology' referred to things like cotton gins back in those days.

We can say stupid things like Ozzie said. We have that right.
Time Magazine can print the stupid things Ozzie says. They have that right.
Employers also do what they think is best for their companies. They have that right.
It all still works.

Let's face it. The five days off is a slap on the hand.
If we were given five days without pay, it may hurt us.
Not Ozzie.
Laughable in a way. It gives Ozzie that much more free time to say stupid stuff.


The statement itself amused me too.
I can say that because I have the right to free speech.
Ozzie was impressed by Castro because he had avoided getting killed for so long.
It's like admiring Bin Laden for the quality of his video tapes while thought to be living in a cave.
Or admiring Hitler for having the guts to wear such a cheesy mustache.
Or admiring Lee Harvey Oswald's marksmanship.
Or like admiring Greinke's five k's on the stat sheet yesterday.
The amusement was found in the stupidity of the admiration.
Taking that stupidity further and telling Time Magazine his thoughts without thinking of the ramifications puts Ozzie on a Yahoo Kid level playing in the NFBC.
Yep, like everything else for me, it all comes full circle back to fantasy baseball

Nothing more needs to be said. You have a way with words, Dough, that can shut everyone up. Thanks so much for chiming in here. You are a breath of fresh air, every time you speak and you puts things into perspective in such an eloquent way.

[BK METS]

You can support Hitler or whoever you want, in this country.... doesnt mean I want you to work for me.

so b/c someone supports free speech that makes them a nazi. You are an idiot. To continue arguing w/ you would be pointless.

I am not sure you understand my point, but that's ok... refer to Dough's points... he says it so much more eloquently. You can call me an idiot. I probably am an idiot. What I am trying to say is, "free speech" doesn't mean "no consequences". That's all, but thanks for the compliment.

[DOUGHBOYS]

My Mood Ring says different!

Thanks Kent.

FIXED!!

Just for kicks, I put my mood ring around my pet rock.
Man, is he pissed!

[TOXIC ASSETS]

You won't be finding Ozzie Guillen at a MENSA meeting.

[ToddZ]

My Mood Ring says different!

Thanks Kent.

FIXED!!

Just for kicks, I put my mood ring around my pet rock.
Man, is he pissed!

get him a chia pet

[Hells Satans]

They should have fired his dumb ass before he cost Johnson a win with some ridiculous overmanaging. Take Johnson out with 2 outs in the 7th with a guy on 1st? Really? What an ass. He's a complete moron.

[KJ Duke]

They should have fired his dumb ass before he cost Johnson a win with some ridiculous overmanaging. Take Johnson out with 2 outs in the 7th with a guy on 1st? Really? What an ass. He's a complete moron.

I lost the JJ win too but no sweat, Rauch picks him up.

Good to see both Johnson and Darvish settling in after a few starts.

[ChiScottieBaseball]

You think thats bad? Sveum takes out Samardjza and all heck breaks loose. Marmol has a throwing error to 1B for a 2 base error and before that he gives up a 2 run HR to Holliday. Nice Marmol, thanks for taking away a much needed win from me...

[headhunters]

jj was getting tired. his pitches were getting up in zone. he has a history of arm problems. it didn't work out- but ozzie is good with pitching. if he would just shut his mouth- he is a very good manager. i have jj and santana so i was pleased to see all the k's. i just think santana is a competitor and knows how to pitch. if he can stay healthy he should have a decent year.

[KJ Duke]

jj was getting tired. his pitches were getting up in zone. he has a history of arm problems. it didn't work out- but ozzie is good with pitching. if he would just shut his mouth- he is a very good manager. i have jj and santana so i was pleased to see all the k's. i just think santana is a competitor and knows how to pitch. if he can stay healthy he should have a decent year.

Santana was obviously done before he gave up the double to lose the lead after three sharply hit balls to start the inning, even though two were outs. Terry Collins did the opposite of Ozzie and that didn't work either.

[headhunters]

yep- you got it.