NFBC H2H and lesser priced league options

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Re: NFBC H2H and lesser priced league options

Post by Steel Lugnuts » Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:40 pm

BK METS wrote:No one is "ripping" you. Aren't you the same guy who complained you "sucked" at roto and posed this same question last summer and Greg said it wasn't going to happen here? So, now you bring up the same topic again and don't like the answers you get from those who have wasted time responding to you. Everyone has been very respectful. No one has said "get lost". We are just responding because we love the format we have here and don't feel there is a need for change. I am sure you can discuss with Greg to see if he changed his mind.

I don't recall, but if you do, that's pretty awesome.

Question for BK and everyone else...why would you think the current format would change and be any different? This site, this format would not change. It would be a different website, new rules, new contest...and best of all, you wouldn't have to join.

It would more than likely be a couple years down the road, and I doubt Greg and Tom would do anything to tarnish the current setup as it is...just throwing some ideas out there and perhaps taking this site beyond just ROTO...is that such a bad idea? There is a huge market out there that does not include Roto leagues, why wouldn't the best high-stakes fantasy baseball site consider geting involved?

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Re: NFBC H2H and lesser priced league options

Post by Baseball Furies » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:01 am

Red Sox Nation- wrote:Greg and Tom,

Please don't ever set up a league with less than a $150 price point. Imagine how many people you'd have with $25 entries. The post about yahoo/espn was spot on. One of the best parts of the NFBC is the customer service. If we have a problem or question we can actually talk to or email Greg and Tom. If you have a problem at yahoo you send an email and usually get a delayed automated response. I don't care for Head to head as well but the price point debate is worse in my opinion. I think the NFBC has done and is doing a fine job of growing the business. Look at the growth year over year and now with the exposure from the SiriusXM/Rotowire deal it will continue to grow. Imagine the headaches of people b**tching and m**ning on these boards with 100's if not 1,000's of $25 customers. Not worth the headache. What's the profitability of running a $25 league. (set-up, monitoring draft, and servicing for the full season?) I want Greg and STATS to remain profitable. We've seen many companies fail with bad business models so I don't mind them getting their fair share for the best game. Keep up the great work

Jason
Well said and agreed. Resist the urge to dilute what is a great product to grab market share. When you own the fantasy baseball market, there are a myriad of ways to be innovative without trying to appease everyone.
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Re: NFBC H2H and lesser priced league options

Post by BK METS » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:23 am

Steel Lugnuts wrote:
BK METS wrote:No one is "ripping" you. Aren't you the same guy who complained you "sucked" at roto and posed this same question last summer and Greg said it wasn't going to happen here? So, now you bring up the same topic again and don't like the answers you get from those who have wasted time responding to you. Everyone has been very respectful. No one has said "get lost". We are just responding because we love the format we have here and don't feel there is a need for change. I am sure you can discuss with Greg to see if he changed his mind.

I don't recall, but if you do, that's pretty awesome.

Question for BK and everyone else...why would you think the current format would change and be any different? This site, this format would not change. It would be a different website, new rules, new contest...and best of all, you wouldn't have to join.

It would more than likely be a couple years down the road, and I doubt Greg and Tom would do anything to tarnish the current setup as it is...just throwing some ideas out there and perhaps taking this site beyond just ROTO...is that such a bad idea? There is a huge market out there that does not include Roto leagues, why wouldn't the best high-stakes fantasy baseball site consider geting involved?
Your previous discussion regarding H2H below with Greg's response.

http://nfbcforums.stats.com/viewtopic.p ... 2h#p135266

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Re: NFBC H2H and lesser priced league options

Post by Greg Ambrosius » Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:04 pm

Steel Lugnuts wrote:Perhaps this has already been discussed and I missed it, and I know the old-school players won't like it, but I think if NFBC offered H2H league options, that would bring in a huge market of fantasy baseball players. I was suprised how many people I talk to that only started playing fantasy baseball the last couple years and never even heard of ROTO! Either that, or they've heard of it and have no idea how to play.

Standings and payouts could be similar to the current format, win your league and win $1000, etc...score the most overall points out of everyone and win $10,000 (for DC leagues), or $100,000 for the ME leagues.

I've been reading some of the trash talking already going on with the regulars on this site, and that's with year-long leagues that haven't even started yet! Can you imagine games that matter on a weekly basis? I think it would be pretty awesome.

I also think some smaller priced leagues, like a $25 and $50 satellite leagues, would be a good idea to bring in some new players that may be on the fence or what to give this site a try.
Thanks for the suggestion, but I think I have explained in the past that we just can't be everything for everyone. We are very good at offering 5x5 Roto leagues and hosting live events and each year we are finding ways to expand on that model. But doing H2H leagues or online auction leagues or create products that would appeal to niche audiences aren't as appealing as creating new 5x5 Roto games that bring in larger groups of new customers.

This year we've expanded our offerings to include 10-team leagues at a price point as low as $100. Why are we doing this in a 5x5 Roto format? Because there's already a huge market of 10-team players on Yahoo and CBS Sports who might want a higher paying contest with better customer service. And it's also not varying too far from what we already offer on our back-end game side.

Our Draft Champions Leagues are expanding our customer base in a big way this year and we're definitely focused on that area of our business. We are already seeing record numbers in baseball and we believe that football will also reach record highs in the DC format this year.

As for H2H leagues and points leagues and online auction leagues, I mean, anything is possible in the future. Maybe we jump into those areas and even look at salary cap games. But all of that would likely involve a promotional partner where we could expand those markets together. For us to just jump into those markets on our own and try to build out a big business might not be a smart move when other companies are already years and years ahead of us. And honestly, we are seeing industry trends in some of those markets that are pointing down whereas we are seeing nothing but growth in the high-stakes and live events models. So right now that's where we are concentrating all of our efforts.

Again, never say never about any area of the market, but we need to perfect this one first. And we haven't done that at all. We have more work to do here before using our resources for niche markets. Hopefully everyone can understand that strategy. Thanks again for the suggestions.
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Re: NFBC H2H and lesser priced league options

Post by Steel Lugnuts » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:36 pm

Thanks for the response Greg...I'm in quite a few leagues and forums, not to mention having a drinky or two, I don't recal mentioning adding H2H leagues last year on this site, my apologies. Although my thread also mentions "lesser priced leagues and total points leagues with a possible cut-line", which will happen within a couple years, will be pretty cool. This is totaly different than H2H leagues and something I thought would be worth mentioning as a possibility, wrong site and forum to do this apparenty (according to some). I guess it's good for you to know you have Roto Police taking care of business! :D

Hey BK, pretty impressive (I think)...no worries, I won't dare mention or suggest anything on this NFBC forum that doesn't include some sort of Roto improvments..............until next year, see you then! ;)

EDIT: Greg and Tom have obviously done a phenominal job with this website, and I'm loving the roto experience more and more because of it. I certainly wouldn't make any suggestions to take away or diminish what's already been accomplished here, not my intentions whatsoever.

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Re: NFBC H2H and lesser priced league options

Post by CALI CARTEL » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:49 pm

Baseball is way too fickle week-to-week to have a high stakes H2H league. Over the course of the season, things even out, but week-to-week things are crazy.

I don't dislike H2H leagues, it's just that I wouldn't ever gamble more than $100 on a league, there's way too many niche strategies and ways to get around IP/GS mins & maxes. At $100 or less per team, there's just not enough money there at that price point to create a significant league prize structure with an overall prizes structure, plus overhead for Greg/Tom because they'd have to spend a bunch of money at Stats having them reprogram the system for the H2H league.

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