Triple Play Main Event Prize $300,000, proposal

[DOUGHBOYS]

We would be in once, twice, or three times...maybe more if they add more ME dates.

Can you puhleeese find another league besides mine???

[Quahogs]

This is an absolutely fantastic idea. Well done KJ. Count me in for 3

Greg wants proof that players want it. Here's the start.

Triple-Play signups:
3 - Particelli
2 - Duke

We're 10% there already for $200k!

I like this concept I think it has merit. I should go back and read what the triple play is all about but the contest within a contest is a great idea. The ME is still the ME. The champ is still the champ no matter what is won. Still have to beat 434 others. But for those that want a little more juice but don't want to add another contest to get there... well this satisfies that. Do you guys think this can get some legs ???

[KJ Duke]

This is an absolutely fantastic idea. Well done KJ. Count me in for 3

Greg wants proof that players want it. Here's the start.

Triple-Play signups:
3 - Particelli
2 - Duke

We're 10% there already for $200k!

I like this concept I think it has merit. I should go back and read what the triple play is all about but the contest within a contest is a great idea. The ME is still the ME. The champ is still the champ no matter what is won. Still have to beat 434 others. But for those that want a little more juice but don't want to add another contest to get there... well this satisfies that. Do you guys think this can get some legs ???

Greg is too busy looking for 8 more whales and listening to crazy rants to realize that everyone who posted here has liked this concept, that it solves the dilemna of satisifying those who want bigger ME stakes without alienating those who are price sensitive to the current entry fee, and that it gives him the big ticket prize that he needs/wants to attract a bigger pool of players.

And I guess Lowy is too busy managing football teams to chime in , since this is exactly what he asked for - raising the bar to a meaningul level.

[Greg Ambrosius]

This is an absolutely fantastic idea. Well done KJ. Count me in for 3

Greg wants proof that players want it. Here's the start.

Triple-Play signups:
3 - Particelli
2 - Duke

We're 10% there already for $200k!

Greg is too busy looking for 8 more whales and listening to crazy rants to realize that everyone who posted here has liked this concept, that it solves the dilemna of satisifying those who want bigger ME stakes without alienating those who are price sensitive to the current entry fee, and that it gives him the big ticket prize that he needs/wants to attract a bigger pool of players.

[/quote]

Why does everyone speak for me? Have I lost my voice here?

I've said it before, I think the side contests have merit. I think the $500 add-on has the most potential, but I'm not opposed to the Triple Play. I also think it needs to be studied first and we need to get a feel for the interest from our participants before locking down a guaranteed add-on prize. There are legalities of how you can do this that we have to follow and we can't just continually add to the final number. So it's important to know what that number is going to be and then locking it in with the correct number of guaranteed entrants. Once we hit that number, that side contest is closed.

It's tough to get hit from all sides and keep you folks happy by showing that I'm actually reading everything. I can't respond every single time or you guys will think your rants and requests are getting to me!! We're all working hard here to get the 2014 season started with our piddly, little grand prizes. If the add-ons can help everyone get richer, we're all for it.

Keep the ideas coming and don't panic when I don't respond in 5 minutes. Tom and I are here, working on the new season, the new web site, the new contests. It's November yet everyone; we still have time for all of this.

[ALL-IN JD]

You guys have even MORE time now that the Packers season is going down in flames!!

[mbendar16]

everyone who posted here has liked this concept, that it solves the dilemna of satisifying those who want bigger ME stakes without alienating those who are price sensitive to the current entry fee, and that it gives him the big ticket prize that he needs/wants to attract a bigger pool of players.


I agree with the above KJ, and in addition, I think it will give the NFBC an indirect survey of who wants the bigger overall prize vs. those that want a more balanced prize structure or at least the same one as we have now. If it happens, I think it will be important to see how many people contribute vs. how many teams contribute.

[Greg Ambrosius]

You guys have even MORE time now that the Packers season is going down in flames!!

Do you know how long winters are in Wisconsin when the Packers are eliminated from the playoffs on Nov. 10th? I can't tell you how bad this sucks. Aaron Rodgers IS that franchise and it was a huge gamble by Teddy Thompson not to have a worthy backup QB in place. You could see all pre-season that they had no backup and yet the whole season rested on Rodgers' shoulders, literally. Now it's all up in flames.

Long, long, long winter ahead.

[Money]

Would this prize pool be kept and tracked as a separate contest? It sure would detract from the winner if he didn't participate. You could have first place making the same as 4th or 10th place depending how it plays out. And what about the "Prestige" factor that the old guard is always clamoring about? Would it not be diminished if you didn't play along with the extra entry?

It is a pretty simple decision for me, I either play at the top entry fee or I don't play at all. It's kind of like putting a dollar into a slot machine and hitting the jackpot, you're left there wondering what could've been, if I had only… With this being a 15 team event I may simply re-funnel these funds to the Primetime Main Event.

A lot of good idea's are floated around each year. I liked the one proposed last year, $2,500 entry, 100 participants. Divvy up the purse any way you want.

[KJ Duke]

Would this prize pool be kept and tracked as a separate contest?

The way I see it, either you have an emblem in the overall standing to denote those in the 2P or 3P, or you have a separate link showing those teams. Doesn't really matter. Personally, I'd do the former.

The prestige of winning is intact, regardless. It is beating the best of the best in the toughest contest - there is only one ME winner each season, no matter how you slice you money pool.

[ALL-IN JD]

Greg,

Don't sweat it! Close your eyes and just picture it's March and you are lounging at the Belagio pool!!

[Hells Satans]

Would this prize pool be kept and tracked as a separate contest?

The way I see it, either you have an emblem in the overall standing to denote those in the 2P or 3P, or you have a separate link showing those teams. Doesn't really matter. Personally, I'd do the former.

The prestige of winning is intact, regardless. It is beating the best of the best in the toughest contest - there is only one ME winner each season, no matter how you slice you money pool.

Let's say you get a 100 entries, how would you score it? Would you just take the total scores from the overall contest (1 to 420 in each category) or would you rerank limited to the 100 in the competition (1 to 100 in each category)? It doesn't necessarily have to result in a different order, but my guess is it probably would.

[KJ Duke]

Definitely not re-ranking, same score.

[KJ Duke]

I've said it before, I think the side contests have merit. I think the $500 add-on has the most potential, but I'm not opposed to the Triple Play. I also think it needs to be studied first and we need to get a feel for the interest from our participants before locking down a guaranteed add-on prize.

Sounds good to me. Now that the Platinum is offering a $200,000 prize, anything less for the ME will bore the high rollers. You can't put the genie back in the bottle.

[Baseball Furies]

I'm definitely in for this happening and we know how much my opinion counts these days around these parts.
Make fun all you want, KJ, but none if this shit would even be a consideration or happening right now if it weren't for my "rants" including the Platinum which I see you're being a puss about and crying poverty when you could easily swing it on your own!

[ALL-IN JD]

Mikey,

I think it's more like folks thinking they have a 1 in 14 chance instead of a 1 in 15 chance with you throwing your hat into the ring (or donation, whichever you like!!)

[Baseball Furies]

Mikey,

I think it's more like folks thinking they have a 1 in 14 chance instead of a 1 in 15 chance with you throwing your hat into the ring (or donation, whichever you like!!)

Aren't you supposed to be on the beach or something right now? This is what you do while in Turks and Caicos? And if you're trying to get on my good side to finagle a partnership with me, it aint working. And just remember, there were 14 other guys including some damn good players and past champions that took me for granted in the MTM Super last year who thought the same way you do. Hopefully they will continue to do so this year as well. Stick to the auctions. Drafts, like diet and exercise, just aren't your forte, Dobies.

[Quahogs]

Mikey,

I think it's more like folks thinking they have a 1 in 14 chance instead of a 1 in 15 chance with you throwing your hat into the ring (or donation, whichever you like!!)

Aren't you supposed to be on the beach or something right now? This is what you do while in Turks and Caicos? And if you're trying to get on my good side to finagle a partnership with me, it aint working. And just remember, there were 14 other guys including some damn good players and past champions that took me for granted in the MTM Super last year who thought the same way you do. Hopefully they will continue to do so this year as well. Stick to the auctions. Drafts, like diet and exercise, just aren't your forte, Dobies.

Can't always expect beach front property on Monaco (i.e. draft seat next to poopy tooth) every draft Mike ! lol

[ALL-IN JD]

Mikey,

You throw enough shit at the wall something has to eventually stick!!

That being I said, I would be HONORED to be your partner!!

[Glenneration X]

And I guess Lowy is too busy managing football teams to chime in , since this is exactly what he asked for - raising the bar to a meaningul level.

Sorry Bud, it was my son's birthday this weekend. Between celebrating my boy's big day and yes, managing a football team or two , whatever free time I had left this weekend to check out the boards were spent reading the MtM posts. Lord knows going through those novellas left little time for much else. Mikey, ever hear the term "short but sweet"?

Besides, I thought it was a given I'd be behind this idea. It's a solid compromise that satisfies all parties. Great idea.

[KJ Duke]

And I guess Lowy is too busy managing football teams to chime in , since this is exactly what he asked for - raising the bar to a meaningul level.

Sorry Bud, it was my son's birthday this weekend. Between celebrating my boy's big day and yes, managing a football team or two , whatever free time I had left this weekend to check out the boards were spent reading the MtM posts. Lord knows going through those novellas left little time for much else. Mikey, ever hear the term "short but sweet"?

Besides, I thought it was a given I'd be behind this idea. It's a solid compromise that satisfies all parties. Great idea.

Excellent. You posted that we needed $200k to move the needle, I think you're right and that got my brain in motion. Maybe Greg wants to start more conservative than a full-on 3P in year 1, but I definitely think this plan can get us there quicker than just jacking things up across the board.

[Glenneration X]

And I guess Lowy is too busy managing football teams to chime in , since this is exactly what he asked for - raising the bar to a meaningul level.

Sorry Bud, it was my son's birthday this weekend. Between celebrating my boy's big day and yes, managing a football team or two , whatever free time I had left this weekend to check out the boards were spent reading the MtM posts. Lord knows going through those novellas left little time for much else. Mikey, ever hear the term "short but sweet"?

Besides, I thought it was a given I'd be behind this idea. It's a solid compromise that satisfies all parties. Great idea.

Excellent. You posted that we needed $200k to move the needle, I think you're right and that got my brain in motion. Maybe Greg wants to start more conservative than a full-on 3P in year 1, but I definitely think this plan can get us there quicker than just jacking things up across the board.

What I like most about your suggestion is that it creates a natural progression to higher investments.

I think back to my own history with the NFBC. When I first considered joining in '09, I remember I struggled with the idea of investing just the $1300 for the Main Event. My 2nd year, a little more comfortable with the contest and the format, I tried a Super. The next year an Ultimate. And finally a Diamond the next.

Since that 1st year I referenced above, the NFBC has done a great job of creating opportunities for newer players to follow a slower and easier progression on the low cost end. The Draft Championships, the Online Championships, now the Cutline has all given the new player a means to get incrementally more comfortable with the contest and work their way up to greater investments and the opportunities at greater rewards.

What your idea does is continue that opportunity for progression in risk and reward based on a player's comfort level with the contest, the format, and their own faith in their ability to win through the Main Event price level and beyond.

Like I said, a great idea with great merit. And since I'm pretty comfortable with the contest already, I'll likely be progressing right to the highest level.

[Money]

As I continue to think this through, I like it less and less. It becomes a game of the haves and have nots. You've already separated the masses with the Diamonds, Ultimates and Supers. Do you really need to continue to throw it in their face when they step up to the Main Event? You can play with the "Big Boys" but unless you step up with additional money you can't take home all of the money.

I get it's a side pot and I'd participate, but this is going to alienate people. The elite and well to do players have their spots to compete and now want to take it to another level. The new players will quit arriving, which will be great for the Primetime. We all know that 400+ competed last year and we all know that only a fraction of them could actually win.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that when you put out a big time Main Event and you recruit new players, don't expect them to willingly participate when they have a only a shot at a fraction of the prize.

The old guard wants to protect this Main Event with everything in them, yet it seems to me they are trying to kill it. I know this will be brutally unpopular with the majority of the folks that visit this board, oh well.

Either raise the entry fee for all or raise them for no one.

[DOUGHBOYS]

Nah, you have a point, Joe. It's by no means perfect.
It'll be confusing for folks that Joe Schmo finishes first and wins a check of $100,000, while Rich Mann finishes 12th and wins $200,000.
He's entitled to the $200,000, but promoting a 'winner' who finishes 12th is a tough thing.

[Money]

Nah, you have a point, Joe. It's by no means perfect.
It'll be confusing for folks that Joe Schmo finishes first and wins a check of $100,000, while Rich Mann finishes 12th and wins $200,000.
He's entitled to the $200,000, but promoting a 'winner' who finishes 12th is a tough thing.

What will happen Dan is you'll end up with a 15 team niche game with a lot of veterans competing with multiple entries against themselves. This will grow the prize money for the big guys, but will do nothing to insure that the format that they hold so dear survives. From an NFBC business standpoint this is a detriment to growth for this Main Event. I know I'm a broken record, this will drive the groth in the primetime format and lead to the demise of the Main Event as you know it.

[DOUGHBOYS]

We may be victims of our own design.
In the World Series of Poker, the 'kids' are said to have no fear. They come from different sites, different areas, even different countries to beat the 'old faithful'. It's a new renaissance for poker.
We haven't experienced that. Yet.
We haven't had new gunslingers come into town and say, "Pig farmers, Quahogs and everybody else, I'm not afraid of you and I'm gonna kick your ass!"
Our town needs new blood. Every new gun that comes into town leaves with their tail between their legs.