End of an Era - Jeter to Retire at end of 2014

[COZ]

100% because you think Derek Jeter was the greatest player of all time?

or

100% because Derek Jeter was the most politically correct greatest player of all time?

Politically correct? That's called class.

COZ

[NorCalAtlFan]

i have to admit, i would chuckle if a very good player like jeter got 100% unlike so many of the great ones before him.

i'm not sure i ever even thought jeter was the best SS in baseball, let alone, best overall player.

i have to agree with Dan about the fandom comment. spot on here.

and all that being said, doesn't take away from a very good career.

he might be the last player with any longevity that stays with one team, kudos.

[Bronx Yankees]

A great career and, in my opinion at least, the best shortstop of the last 20 years. The best shortstop ever? No, probably not. Certainly not among the top 10-15 players ever. The top 50-60? Quite possibly. Pure class, pure consistency, a winner, a leader, and an extremely valuable player and the face of the Yankees, if not baseball, over the last two decades. Probably the single biggest star of the last great baseball dynasty.

The discussion of getting into the HOF with 100% of the vote probably is silly. Jeter should get 100%, but the same could be said about Maddux this past year and even greater players in prior years. Because there apparently always will be HOF voters that wish to make statements, or put the spotlight on themselves, there will not be any unanimous selections. I guess if Hank Aaron and (insert name) did not get in unanimously, then no one else should, either. Jeter will be a first ballot HOF'er and join a growing list of no-brainer selections that probably deserved, but did not get, a unanimous vote. Watch, the year before Jeter is selected, some voters will decide to leave Mariano off their ballot for the same B.S. reasons, none of which detract from Jeter's career (or the careers of Maddux, Aaron, Rivera and many others).

Mike

[EWeaver]

2013 was a bust for him, so I sincerely hope 2014 is more like 2012. He should be able to go out playing like a champion.

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[WSpencer]

Even as a Yankee fan, I always thought that we had such a great team throughout the years that Jeter was overrated. But his stats prove otherwise. Playing a distinctly defensive position, he routinely batting over .300 with decent power (256 homers in his career), solid speed (348 stolen bases) while getting on base 38%+of the time. He was definitely the best player in the AL in 2006 when Morneau won and some others think he should have won in 1999. So he may not have won any MVPs but he was definitely the best AL player in 2009 and possibly in 98 and 99.

Also, he banged a lot of ridiculously hot women so that should add some brownie points for #2.

Caveat, I'm not a Yankee homer. I would actually prefer a salary cap in baseball and prefer the Rays way than buying free agents. I hate how we have a barren farm system. I prefer to root more for homegrown players than free agents bought.

[Atlas]

Whenever I had a chance to buy my daughter a jersey or shirt and the choice was Jeter or ARod.....
A no-brainer.

You're right, he's not the best SS of all time. He may not be the "best" Yankee of all time....however you define "best"

Remember when the debate was ARod, Nomar or Jeter?
I think that debate has been settled.

[COZ]

The most overrated player in baseball history? Merely a "very good" player?

I'm not even a Jeter fan nor a Yankee fan, but damn, are we so jaded and anti-anything-beloved-by-the-masses that we cannot appreciate his greatness? Little surprised by the haters. Per the pure numbers, not even including his 5 World Series Titles and all the intangibles, I would say he is easily one of the top shortstops to play the game. And, oh yeah, there is not even a peep of whispering about PED use.

Per an article just posted on MLB.com (link below).

"Jeter can boast 3,316 hits, first among Yankees and active players and second among shortstops, with Honus Wagner's 3,430 clearly within reach. He also is the Yankees' all-time leader in games (2,602), at-bats (10,614) and stolen bases (348); second in doubles (525); third in runs (1,876); fifth in walks (1,047); sixth in RBIs (1,261); seventh in batting average (.312); and ninth in home runs (256).

Among shortstops, Jeter is first in runs, third in homers, fourth in doubles and average, sixth in on-base percentage, seventh in RBIs and eighth in walks. And unlike Jeter, many other elite shortstops moved elsewhere on the diamond later in their career. More advanced statistics also help shine a light on the rarity of Jeter's offensive accomplishments for someone manning his position. His .828 OPS (on-base-plus-slugging percentage) is fifth all-time among shortstops, and he ranks seventh with a 117 OPS+, a statistic that adjusts OPS for ballpark and era. He also stands sixth in wRC+ (weighted runs created plus), another metric that quantifies a player's total offensive contributions and adjusts for context.

Jeter also fares well in WAR (wins above replacement), which measures a player's all-around value against that of a hypothetical bench player or Minor Leaguer. All three major versions of WAR -- from Baseball-Reference.com, FanGraphs.com and BaseballProspectus.com -- peg Jeter as the sixth-best shortstop in history. Although Jeter can't match fellow shortstop Cal Ripken's famous streak of consecutive games played, he does stand out for the length and consistency of his career.

With 2,538 career starts at shortstop, Jeter ranks third all-time and has a good chance to pass Omar Vizquel (2,609) for the lead. If Jeter is ready to play on Opening Day, it will be his 17th such start, putting him one behind Vizquel and Luis Aparicio.
Aside from a rough 2010, Jeter has produced every season when on the field. Out of his 17 full seasons -- which doesn't include 2013 -- he has 16 in which he put up at least a .290 average, .350 on-base percentage, 10 home runs, 10 stolen bases and a 100 (league average) OPS+.

Not many players can put together so many campaigns at shortstop while swinging the bat at a high level. Jeter's 14 seasons with at least 140 games and a 100 OPS+ are three more than any other shortstop, and his 14 with at least three WAR (per Baseball-Reference.com) trail only Ripken. And like Ripken, Jeter has done it all with one club. When he plays his first game of 2014, he will become just the 14th position player to spend an entire career of 20-plus seasons with one franchise. Jeter's 16 Opening Day starts since 1996 are two more than any other shortstop, and as a result, the Yankees have needed to use only three Opening Day shortstops during that period, out of 156 across the Majors.

Jeter's tenure in the Bronx also has given him a platform from which to carve a stunning postseason resume, and he has taken advantage of the opportunity. He has started 157 playoff games, nearly 100 more than any shortstop in history, and holds the all-time lead in games, at-bats, hits, runs and doubles, while ranking third in home runs, fourth in RBIs and sixth in stolen bases. In fact, Jeter has played basically another whole season in October, with 158 games and 734 plate appearances. His postseason performance, not surprisingly, looks an awful lot like any other Jeter season.

The man who has put up a regular-season batting line of .312/.381/.446 has nearly replicated it under the bright lights of the postseason, hitting .308/.374/.465.

It's just one more accomplishment to fit on what figures to be a jam-packed Hall of Fame plaque."

COZ

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/der ... y=news_mlb

[TParsons]

Whenever I had a chance to buy my daughter a jersey or shirt and the choice was Jeter or ARod.....
A no-brainer.

You're right, he's not the best SS of all time. He may not be the "best" Yankee of all time....however you define "best"

Remember when the debate was ARod, Nomar or Jeter?
I think that debate has been settled.

You are correct. Arod was far and away better than either Jeter and Nomar.

[Outlaw]

The most overrated player in baseball history? Merely a "very good" player?

I'm not even a Jeter fan nor a Yankee fan, but damn, are we so jaded and anti-anything-beloved-by-the-masses that we cannot appreciate his greatness? Little surprised by the haters. Per the pure numbers, not even including his 5 World Series Titles and all the intangibles, I would say he is easily one of the top shortstops to play the game. And, oh yeah, there is not even a peep of whispering about PED use.

Per an article just posted on MLB.com (link below).

"Jeter can boast 3,316 hits, first among Yankees and active players and second among shortstops, with Honus Wagner's 3,430 clearly within reach. He also is the Yankees' all-time leader in games (2,602), at-bats (10,614) and stolen bases (348); second in doubles (525); third in runs (1,876); fifth in walks (1,047); sixth in RBIs (1,261); seventh in batting average (.312); and ninth in home runs (256).

Among shortstops, Jeter is first in runs, third in homers, fourth in doubles and average, sixth in on-base percentage, seventh in RBIs and eighth in walks. And unlike Jeter, many other elite shortstops moved elsewhere on the diamond later in their career. More advanced statistics also help shine a light on the rarity of Jeter's offensive accomplishments for someone manning his position. His .828 OPS (on-base-plus-slugging percentage) is fifth all-time among shortstops, and he ranks seventh with a 117 OPS+, a statistic that adjusts OPS for ballpark and era. He also stands sixth in wRC+ (weighted runs created plus), another metric that quantifies a player's total offensive contributions and adjusts for context.

Jeter also fares well in WAR (wins above replacement), which measures a player's all-around value against that of a hypothetical bench player or Minor Leaguer. All three major versions of WAR -- from Baseball-Reference.com, FanGraphs.com and BaseballProspectus.com -- peg Jeter as the sixth-best shortstop in history. Although Jeter can't match fellow shortstop Cal Ripken's famous streak of consecutive games played, he does stand out for the length and consistency of his career.

With 2,538 career starts at shortstop, Jeter ranks third all-time and has a good chance to pass Omar Vizquel (2,609) for the lead. If Jeter is ready to play on Opening Day, it will be his 17th such start, putting him one behind Vizquel and Luis Aparicio.
Aside from a rough 2010, Jeter has produced every season when on the field. Out of his 17 full seasons -- which doesn't include 2013 -- he has 16 in which he put up at least a .290 average, .350 on-base percentage, 10 home runs, 10 stolen bases and a 100 (league average) OPS+.

Not many players can put together so many campaigns at shortstop while swinging the bat at a high level. Jeter's 14 seasons with at least 140 games and a 100 OPS+ are three more than any other shortstop, and his 14 with at least three WAR (per Baseball-Reference.com) trail only Ripken. And like Ripken, Jeter has done it all with one club. When he plays his first game of 2014, he will become just the 14th position player to spend an entire career of 20-plus seasons with one franchise. Jeter's 16 Opening Day starts since 1996 are two more than any other shortstop, and as a result, the Yankees have needed to use only three Opening Day shortstops during that period, out of 156 across the Majors.

Jeter's tenure in the Bronx also has given him a platform from which to carve a stunning postseason resume, and he has taken advantage of the opportunity. He has started 157 playoff games, nearly 100 more than any shortstop in history, and holds the all-time lead in games, at-bats, hits, runs and doubles, while ranking third in home runs, fourth in RBIs and sixth in stolen bases. In fact, Jeter has played basically another whole season in October, with 158 games and 734 plate appearances. His postseason performance, not surprisingly, looks an awful lot like any other Jeter season.

The man who has put up a regular-season batting line of .312/.381/.446 has nearly replicated it under the bright lights of the postseason, hitting .308/.374/.465.

It's just one more accomplishment to fit on what figures to be a jam-packed Hall of Fame plaque."

COZ

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/der ... y=news_mlb

Well Said Coz and a Great Read!

this Quote from Albert Pujols and it seems most of all Jeter's peers feel the same way. There is way more that Jeter has contrbuted to the Game of Baseball than just his Stats. He has showed the way for those who want to play the game the right way and CLEAN.

Pujols on Jeter: "On and off field, he's the way you want your kids to grow up, Only Jesus is perfect, but he's pretty close to that guy."

[DOUGHBOYS]

I got sort of a mean e-mail stating I did not like Derek Jeter along with a few other comments that may or may not have involved my Mother.
It was silly.
I love Derek Jeter. But, I also stand by that he should not get 100% of the Hall of Fame vote. Not a knock on Jeter, more so, a knock on the Hall of Fame voting process.
Derek Jeter is admired by all. Even by those who won't admit it. Even by those measuring defensive dynamics. Even, gulp, by Red Sox fans.
Jeter is at the center of winning. Not only winning, but winning with class. His short relay throw to the catcher, his tumbling into the stands, his mere presence on the field will forever be remembered.

This thread got me thinking, are we so starved for class in baseball that we make more of Jeter than being a mere baseball player?
It seems in every walk of life, the loud mouth or 'strange person' now gets too much of the limelight. In Hollywood, I still don't know what the Kardasian sisters do. I hear their names a lot. I know they're famous. But, if one were to stop and say 'hi' to me, I'd say 'hi' back and ask my wife who it was.
Late night talk shows still talk about the Seahawks defender for his post game tirade. They also speak of Yasiel Puig and his off season race car exploits on interstates.
Russell Wilson, hardly a word.

There is a part of us that loves the loud person or strange person. They'll make us laugh. Or they'll get us pissed. They evoke emotions.
Funny thing is that loud and strange is very temporary. These types seem to flame out.
And the guy with class, a guy like Jeter, forever stays in our minds.
My favorite player that I never saw was Lou Gehrig. The class and finesse with which he treated a disease will always have a place in my heart. His exploits on the field, the same. Gehrig played with a quiet dignity. Hardly ever displaying emotion. He did this while hitting next to the man who changed baseball. Babe Ruth was loud. Ruth got the lions share of the headlines and that was ok with Gehrig. The quiet man with class.

I equate Derek Jeter with Cal Ripken. Both displaying that quiet confidence and elegance as they played.
Both, more than willing to let teammates have the headlines, like Gehrig.
Jeter was fortunate to have teammates in obtaining World Series Championships. Ripken, ironically, would break Gehrig's consecutive games played streak.
Jeter and Ripken have different resume's, but the class is shared.

There will be a hole at shortstop in Yankee Stadium next year. Just as there will be a hole when the Yankees need their first Save this year. Sure, there will be a player to fill that hole.
But it won't be the same.
It just won't.

[BK METS]

Even as a Mets fan, I must admit that Jeter is probably the greatest player to put on a Yankee uniform since Mickey Mantle, and probably the classiest player to ever put on a uniform, period. Does that mean he gets 100% of the hall of fame vote? Probably not. But, if he does and the HOF committee is making a stand for non-PED users and class acts, then this might be the guy. Not because he is the best player of all time, but because they are trying to make a point as to what constitutes a great player in their eyes. Either way, 98% of the vote or whatever, the Yankees could only dream of having another guy like this in their lineup ever again. Not even a Yankee hater like myself can say a bad thing about the guy, though I am desperately trying to find something...

[Navel Lint]

Does that mean he gets 100% of the hall of fame vote? Probably not. But, if he does and the HOF committee is making a stand for non-PED users and class acts, then this might be the guy.

There are other reasons why he won't get 100%, but as to the PED'; How do you Know?

The guy had some great stats from '98-2000 .......Isn't that all we need to suspect ????? Ask Bagwell or Piazza

He played with a bunch of suspected or know users (Clemens, Pettitte, Knoblauch, Stanton)........Isn't guilt by association enough ?????

How did he break his ankle in 2012.... Deadspin has an idea.....


http://deadspin.com/5951906/yankees-der ... -seriously.


Here is the end of the article talking about Jeter using cortisone during 2012......

"So USA Today reported last week that the roster of baseball players being shot up with cortisone in this postseason has included Carlos Beltran, Ryan Zimmerman, Michael Morse, and possibly Johnny Cueto. The story included the following tidy summary of the logic and morality surrounding the performance enhancements that come from non-anabolic steroid use:

Cortisone differs from anabolic steroids in that cortisone does not return the body to a non-injured level. It is a medical treatment that relieves or masks pain rather than heal.


Got it? Steroids that allow you to play beyond your natural limits and return your body to a non-injured state are bad and illegal. Steroids that allow you to play beyond your natural limits and leave your body torn and fraying are good and legal. Alex Rodriguez is a cheater; Derek Jeter is a gamer. And one of them was face-down in the dirt with a blown-out leg the other night "


Personally. I don't think Jeter ever used. But he did have a great 2012 season............

And he's not getting 100%

[Outlaw]

I got sort of a mean e-mail stating I did not like Derek Jeter along with a few other comments that may or may not have involved my Mother.
It was silly.
I love Derek Jeter. But, I also stand by that he should not get 100% of the Hall of Fame vote. Not a knock on Jeter, more so, a knock on the Hall of Fame voting process.
Derek Jeter is admired by all. Even by those who won't admit it. Even by those measuring defensive dynamics. Even, gulp, by Red Sox fans.
Jeter is at the center of winning. Not only winning, but winning with class. His short relay throw to the catcher, his tumbling into the stands, his mere presence on the field will forever be remembered.

This thread got me thinking, are we so starved for class in baseball that we make more of Jeter than being a mere baseball player?
It seems in every walk of life, the loud mouth or 'strange person' now gets too much of the limelight. In Hollywood, I still don't know what the Kardasian sisters do. I hear their names a lot. I know they're famous. But, if one were to stop and say 'hi' to me, I'd say 'hi' back and ask my wife who it was.
Late night talk shows still talk about the Seahawks defender for his post game tirade. They also speak of Yasiel Puig and his off season race car exploits on interstates.
Russell Wilson, hardly a word.

There is a part of us that loves the loud person or strange person. They'll make us laugh. Or they'll get us pissed. They evoke emotions.
Funny thing is that loud and strange is very temporary. These types seem to flame out.
And the guy with class, a guy like Jeter, forever stays in our minds.
My favorite player that I never saw was Lou Gehrig. The class and finesse with which he treated a disease will always have a place in my heart. His exploits on the field, the same. Gehrig played with a quiet dignity. Hardly ever displaying emotion. He did this while hitting next to the man who changed baseball. Babe Ruth was loud. Ruth got the lions share of the headlines and that was ok with Gehrig. The quiet man with class.

I equate Derek Jeter with Cal Ripken. Both displaying that quiet confidence and elegance as they played.
Both, more than willing to let teammates have the headlines, like Gehrig.
Jeter was fortunate to have teammates in obtaining World Series Championships. Ripken, ironically, would break Gehrig's consecutive games played streak.
Jeter and Ripken have different resume's, but the class is shared.

There will be a hole at shortstop in Yankee Stadium next year. Just as there will be a hole when the Yankees need their first Save this year. Sure, there will be a player to fill that hole.
But it won't be the same.
It just won't.

Dan- Simply amazing that you would get a personal email about Jeter that would even attempt to attack you, let alone your Mom and for what, voicing some honest opinion about a Baseball player, none of which is or was derogatory. BKMets said it perfectly, if he ever got 100%, it will be the voters making a statement. It is 100% that he belongs and will get voted in in his first year. I personally cannot get anyone who even remotely tries tarnish a player and person like Jeter and what he has accomplished. Everything he has done has been with class, pride and Max effort and respect for the Game of baseball. But, that's how some are and there will be more who follow, who look for the bad rather than the good.

I knew the "would he get 100%" would raise discussion, but quite frankly, if not him, who would or who ever could. These spoiled athletes of the last 20 years and probably the next 20 years cannot keep their noses clean, cannot play hard all the time, think they deserve more, and 99% of them cant do it for 10 years let alone 20 years. PEDS and Money is a deadly combination the past 20-30 years in all of sports. Trout has 18 more years to go, to get where Jeter is, in baseball and life. Anyone think he can keep his nose clean for 18 more, shoot Ryan Braun was the clean cut poster child with a guaranteed spot in the hall of fame, until all his poor choices came out.

Albert Pujols said it best 2 days ago, Jeter did it all right and that's who he wants his kids to be like or emulate or learn from. When I coached, I also had American Legion Summer teams for a few years out here in California. A couple of the seasons we were the Yankees and wore the pin stripes, and I wore number 2. I talked Jeter all the time to young ball players, from age 8 to college kids. Play the game the right way and play the Game of life the right way, both can be attained. That's what Jeter stands for, he's more than just a rich spoiled ball player. Personally, I think Jeter has big plans for the rest of his life...father? manager? owner? commissioner down the road? Senator? the sky is still the limit for him. It will be fun to follow his last season and for those looking to learn what he is about and what he stands for, there will be plenty of human interest stories on his own family, his respect for his Parents, his sister, the rest of his family. That's where this young man Learned it all. His parents are all that is right and good about being a parent. Baseball is a game, parenting is 1000 times harder than playing baseball.

I'll put it another way, who in the right mind would not vote him in on the first Ballot. I'd like to hear the reason on why anyone would not to vote him on first the Ballot.

[Cobb]

Here's another Jeter article tweeted by Gammons...I apologize if this is already in this thread somewhere, I do not have the patience to sift through the whole thing.

http://mlb.si.com/2014/02/12/derek-jete ... fame-jaws/