Laroche to retire?

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Re: Laroche to retire?

Post by DOUGHBOYS » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:49 pm

I believe there is something else to this story that the public doesn't know.
Why would this happen half way through Spring Training?
Something tells me that somebody became disenchanted with the arrangement. Be it a ball player or somebody close to the team.
And Williams reacted the way he did.

A lot of variables come into play, regardless.
LaRoche did not produce as expected.
The White Sox finished last in their division.
Change is happening.
When things like that happen, it is easier to make these kind of decisions.
LaRoche having his child in the clubhouse and with the team was a benefit, not in his contract.
Benefits are taken away when losses become a norm.
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Re: Laroche to retire?

Post by Red Sox Nation- » Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:06 pm

DOUGHBOYS wrote:I believe there is something else to this story that the public doesn't know.
Why would this happen half way through Spring Training?
Something tells me that somebody became disenchanted with the arrangement. Be it a ball player or somebody close to the team.
And Williams reacted the way he did.

A lot of variables come into play, regardless.
LaRoche did not produce as expected.
The White Sox finished last in their division.
Change is happening.
When things like that happen, it is easier to make these kind of decisions.
LaRoche having his child in the clubhouse and with the team was a benefit, not in his contract.
Benefits are taken away when losses become a norm.
According to this recent article you're spot on...

In LaRoche-White Sox flap, Kenny Williams acted on behalf of others, too

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co ... /81993428/

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Re: Laroche to retire?

Post by Yah Mule » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:20 pm

TOXIC ASSETS wrote:Guess I'm on the other side of the argument....

LaRouche apparently had a deal with the team and the team went back on the deal. Seems to me that the life lessons he is teaching is son are as follows:
* A man's word is his bond
* When you make a lot of money, you don't have to put up with management BS.

The fact that his teammates almost 100% took his side tells me something.
Players complained discreetly because nobody is going to stand up in a team meeting and tell a 14 year old to get lost. Williams is absorbing all the heat for the decision because that's what's expected from a person in his position and I think he's handling it pretty gracefully. LaRoche, IMO, has been rather selfish in exploiting the good graces of his team's management until he essentially forced some teammates to complain about the work environment.

Work dynamics aside, Drake is living a life that's giving him a very warped view of reality. When you're 14 years old, you should have peers your own age, not your dad's co-workers, country singers and the old man from Duck Dynasty. He's not developing the social skills he's going to need to function in normal society when he ages out of precocious. You learn things at school that you're not likely to learn anywhere else. Life lessons are meant to be learned as you go through life. Encouraging a young person to be disdainful of formal education is doing them a disservice and only likely to make them dependent upon you later in life.

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Re: Laroche to retire?

Post by swampass » Sat Mar 19, 2016 3:32 pm

Yah Mule wrote:
TOXIC ASSETS wrote:Guess I'm on the other side of the argument....

LaRouche apparently had a deal with the team and the team went back on the deal. Seems to me that the life lessons he is teaching is son are as follows:
* A man's word is his bond
* When you make a lot of money, you don't have to put up with management BS.

The fact that his teammates almost 100% took his side tells me something.
Players complained discreetly because nobody is going to stand up in a team meeting and tell a 14 year old to get lost. Williams is absorbing all the heat for the decision because that's what's expected from a person in his position and I think he's handling it pretty gracefully. LaRoche, IMO, has been rather selfish in exploiting the good graces of his team's management until he essentially forced some teammates to complain about the work environment.

Work dynamics aside, Drake is living a life that's giving him a very warped view of reality. When you're 14 years old, you should have peers your own age, not your dad's co-workers, country singers and the old man from Duck Dynasty. He's not developing the social skills he's going to need to function in normal society when he ages out of precocious. You learn things at school that you're not likely to learn anywhere else. Life lessons are meant to be learned as you go through life. Encouraging a young person to be disdainful of formal education is doing them a disservice and only likely to make them dependent upon you later in life.

So many microagressions in this post! Your post has me feeling very threatened and scared. Where are the safe spaces so that I can avoid any kind of kind diversity of thought? Freedom of speech? NO... I need freedom from speech that I dont like. If you read the news today you clearly see that our younger generation of people has not been helped by "formal education."

While I don't disagree with the heart of your post I do think that education in this country is beyond pathetic. No country in the world spends more on education and gets less back. Its why so many families are choosing home schooling over the government schooling in which teachers keeping their jobs when they suck is more important than our children's education.

14 year olds shouldnt be in locker rooms but gm's shouldnt promise players things and then turn around and take them away. lets let this sad thread die and get chatting again about baseball.

Does anyone else get the feeling that Pollock will be this years Rendon? Tons of hype after an amazing season, get a little injured in the spring but everyone says he will be ok? deja vu all over again for me.

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Re: Laroche to retire?

Post by Gb2715 » Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:46 pm

Wow! So it's the schools and the schooling that's the problem? Yep it's all the teachers and schools fault that PARENTS are raising bratty entitled lazy children. These teachers make 30-40k a year with limited funds and have to deal with children that would rather be on the street corner doing drugs and drinking while their parents are at home watching Judge Judy. When they are in class they are disrespectful giving teacher's the bird and yelling and cussing at them even threatening and assulting them all while the teacher is trying to teach them while barely making ends meet with the $1500 take home a month. Then being told that the system is broke lol. That's our problem not the education system. Let's start putting blame where it needs to be placed.
As for La-Crybaby he is one of these parents! I as a baseball player know more than the teachers and administrators that were trained to teach so I'll do what I want when I want. And he treated his "Employer" like this also. So go ahead Adam let Drake hang out with you and fish with you in retirement. When he has no social skills or actual friends when he "has" to leave the womb it will be your fault not the educational systems. Contract or not terms and conditions are changed all the time it's called renegotiating and Adam didn't want to and ran home with his ball. If he can't play by his rules then nobody gets to play!

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Post by Yah Mule » Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:25 pm

swampass wrote: If you read the news today you clearly see that our younger generation of people has not been helped by "formal education."

While I don't disagree with the heart of your post I do think that education in this country is beyond pathetic. No country in the world spends more on education and gets less back. Its why so many families are choosing home schooling over the government schooling in which teachers keeping their jobs when they suck is more important than our children's education.

Does anyone else get the feeling that Pollock will be this years Rendon? Tons of hype after an amazing season, get a little injured in the spring but everyone says he will be ok? deja vu all over again for me.
I read widely and I see mainly that older generations have screwed the younger generation over a hundred different ways and now some of us have the nerve to act surprised at any signs of apathy from them.

People like the LaRoche's home school - to the extent they even do - because science is inconvenient to their world view.

I think AJ Pollock is a fine player and he'll have a great season, provided he's healthy. He busted out like many predicted last year and now a lot of people want to call him a fluke for doing it.

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Post by TOXIC ASSETS » Sun Mar 20, 2016 4:13 am

Gb2715 wrote:Wow! So it's the schools and the schooling that's the problem? Yep it's all the teachers and schools fault that PARENTS are raising bratty entitled lazy children. These teachers make 30-40k a year with limited funds and have to deal with children that would rather be on the street corner doing drugs and drinking while their parents are at home watching Judge Judy. When they are in class they are disrespectful giving teacher's the bird and yelling and cussing at them even threatening and assulting them all while the teacher is trying to teach them while barely making ends meet with the $1500 take home a month. Then being told that the system is broke lol. That's our problem not the education system. Let's start putting blame where it needs to be placed.
As for La-Crybaby he is one of these parents! I as a baseball player know more than the teachers and administrators that were trained to teach so I'll do what I want when I want. And he treated his "Employer" like this also. So go ahead Adam let Drake hang out with you and fish with you in retirement. When he has no social skills or actual friends when he "has" to leave the womb it will be your fault not the educational systems. Contract or not terms and conditions are changed all the time it's called renegotiating and Adam didn't want to and ran home with his ball. If he can't play by his rules then nobody gets to play!
The schools and the teachers are certainly part of the problem. And....so are the the lazy, poorly schooled and no-common-sense parents. The ones who, as George Carlin said, are at the mall, buying their kids sneakers with lights in them. How about the breakup of the black families ---- what are the stats, 70% or something of black kids are born out of wedlock? You can blame the liberals for that disaster. Don't worry about any personal responsibility. John Q Taxpayer will be there for you!!!! There's plenty of blame to go around.

And this has nothing to do with a contract negotiation, since the item in question was never written in a contract -- this was a promise made by the team, which they kept for a year and then they changed their mind. Too bad. LaRouche did what he should have done. He showed his son that there's more to life than money and that it's important to keep your word.

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Re: Laroche to retire?

Post by Yah Mule » Sun Mar 20, 2016 9:43 am

I believe the primary problem with our educational system doesn't lie with teachers or schools or the current generation of children, but from a culture that looks down on intelligent people as elitists and often celebrates an attitude of willful ignorance. In 1964, a book called Anti-Intellectualism in American Life won the Pulitzer Prize, so this scornful attitude is nothing new. From the time I was a little kid, scientists in cartoons were portrayed as four-eyed dorks in lab coats and smart kids were derided as nerds with pocket protectors. Both groups were totally shunned by the opposite sex.

It wasn't always like this. 111 years ago, Albert Einstein published five papers that elevated him from anonymous patent officer to world wide fame and celebrity that endures today. When he came to America in 1921, he received a heroes welcome in New York City. It has been a long time since geniuses were revered in this country on a par with actors, singers or athletes.

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Post by Gb2715 » Sun Mar 20, 2016 1:21 pm

Laroche didn't hold up his end of the bargain either so really he is teaching his son if you don't get your way just go back on your word and quit. There are always two sides to every story and Laroche chose to abandon his contract and his teammates because he didn't get his way. Which doesn't surprise me. I bet Drake drives a Beamer in two years lives in a house that daddy bought and ends up in endless rehabs all while never holding a job in any capacity.

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Post by headhunters » Sun Mar 20, 2016 1:58 pm

gb2715- your logic escapes me. "laroche didn't hold up his end of the bargain"? the oral agreement was- adam you can bring your son to the ballpark. that is why he signed. i live in chicago- NO ONE disputes that- no one. he didn't have a side in the bargain. kenny williams reneged on his promise and laroche quit. end of story. everything else-his poor performance and the back and forth between he and kenny is at best noise or ad hominem and at worst more lies by the sox.

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Post by Gb2715 » Sun Mar 20, 2016 2:59 pm

headhunters wrote:gb2715- your logic escapes me. "laroche didn't hold up his end of the bargain"? the oral agreement was- adam you can bring your son to the ballpark. that is why he signed. i live in chicago- NO ONE disputes that- no one. he didn't have a side in the bargain. kenny williams reneged on his promise and laroche quit. end of story. everything else-his poor performance and the back and forth between he and kenny is at best noise or ad hominem and at worst more lies by the sox.

He signed a contract. That was his side of the bargain.

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Post by headhunters » Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:58 pm

again- the contract allows to retire. it is in the contract. he is not getting paid. you do follow this now- correct?

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Post by Gb2715 » Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:12 am

headhunters wrote:again- the contract allows to retire. it is in the contract. he is not getting paid. you do follow this now- correct?

Yes I get this. But most people wouldn't leave their teammates friends and fans hanging because their workplace had a change of policy. I mean the "company" decided that maybe when you hit .207 you should be "working" to get better, wait back to where you where when you signed said contract instead of having bring your kid to work everyday. Nobody said the kid couldn't come to the park just not everyday because it is a workplace and they were "paying" him to "work" not parent. So good riddance!

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Post by headhunters » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:38 pm

seems like you have a lot of bottled up anger. his teammates supported him- i suppose you could go make a speech to them about how wrong they are. then you speak for the "fans" who i guess he needed to stay for- even though you point out he sucked in the next sentence. as a "fan' i am sorta glad he quit. also- all the "fans" that say they would walk away from 13 MILLION bucks- are just plain lying. now if you really want to go off and be angry- try reinsdorf. he "spoke" to everyone- and then wrote 3 sentences saying that all his employees should shut up and he loves kenny williams- just like he loves those managers on the bulls. in 60 years of ownership reinsdorf has made himself a fortune and his championships are 6 mj and scottie and 1- kenny williams got lucky. not as bad as the bears- but nothing to write home about.

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Post by Gb2715 » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:41 pm

headhunters wrote:seems like you have a lot of bottled up anger. his teammates supported him- i suppose you could go make a speech to them about how wrong they are. then you speak for the "fans" who i guess he needed to stay for- even though you point out he sucked in the next sentence. as a "fan' i am sorta glad he quit. also- all the "fans" that say they would walk away from 13 MILLION bucks- are just plain lying. now if you really want to go off and be angry- try reinsdorf. he "spoke" to everyone- and then wrote 3 sentences saying that all his employees should shut up and he loves kenny williams- just like he loves those managers on the bulls. in 60 years of ownership reinsdorf has made himself a fortune and his championships are 6 mj and scottie and 1- kenny williams got lucky. not as bad as the bears- but nothing to write home about.
Not all of his teammates and fellow coworkers were happy about this situation and that's why it became a situation.

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Post by whale4evr » Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:37 pm

Sounds like the Sox wanted out of that contract and went out of their way to get LaRoche to retire so they would be off the hook. Slimy but not surprising.

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Post by headhunters » Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:11 pm

dear gb- we could go on forever- but i will let you have the last word. name ONE team mate or co-worker that said that in public- one. post it. you are not going to go with "unnamed sources" are you?

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