NFBC Magazine Champions League

Joe Sambito · Post by **Joe Sambito** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:47 am

3RR, Doesn't make sense for baseball, IMHO.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:02 am

3RR No. Hell No. and No.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:30 am

Not needed. Hell, with the way the "Big 3" went this year, it may not be needed in football either.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:37 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Not needed. Hell, with the way the "Big 3" went this year, it may not be needed in football either. I think whether or not it is needed depends upon the distribution of KDS. If KDS is highly skewed it is needed.

Tradesman Kettleers · Post by **Tradesman Kettleers** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:01 am

Seeing as how KDS has been a crapshoot since the beginning, let's see how the picks turn out a couple of times before we start juggling the system. Hell, I was in 3 leagues LY and I still couldn't tell you how I wound up picking where I did. It was a 50-50 whether I entered my preferences prperly or not and I remain clueless as to which leagues I may have done it correctly or even if it mattered. With the "New and Improved" single sequence set-up, I suspect we'll get a truer read on individual preferences and maybe a better accomodation of those preferences.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:06 am

I don't have mixed auction prices, which could yield slightly different results, but you can sort auction prices for any given year to determine perceived value differences from front to back of a draft round. Below are averages over the 2005 auctions.

Round 1 value, beginning to end: $43-$32

Round 2 value, beginning to end: $31-$27

Round 3 value, beginning to end: $26-$24

Round 4 value, beginning to end: $23-$21

Round 5 value, beginning to end: $21-$19

Round 6 value, beginning to end: $19-$17

Round 7 value, beginning to end: $17-$15

Round 8 value, beginning to end: $15-$14

... after that the slope flattens out.

So, in theory the top 8 rounds would be worth ...

for slot #1 is 43+27+26+21+21+17+17+14= $186

for slot #15 is 32+31+24+23+19+19+15+15 = $178

Using 3RR, it would change to ...

slot #1 is 43+27+24+23+19+19+15+15 = $185

slot #15 is 32+31+26+21+21+17+17+14 = $179

For the entire draft, it would be the auction league-equivalent of top slots getting a $264 auction budget vs a low slot getting a $256 auction budget. With 3RR it would be more like $263 vs $257. Not much difference, still an edge for the top slots (but a lesser slope than football lges).

[ December 05, 2007, 04:11 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

Tradesman Kettleers · Post by **Tradesman Kettleers** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:06 am

That's actually one of the factors I am most interested in seeing in the Magazine Champions League. How the KDS works out with the new system and how happy the participants are with their actual Draft Position vs. preferred Draft Position!?! And the correlation between the two.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:20 am

That's a good analysis Kevin and it's interesting to see how little difference there is in baseball. No way is it just $1-$2 in football. The way you did it for baseball is solid analysis.

Yeah, we'll stay away from 3RR for baseball and let the draft unfold for 30 rounds. I'm also interested in the KDS orders for these 15 participants. Let the games begin!!!

We'll also run a 12-team industry draft that same week, so we should have some fun analysis in two more weeks.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:04 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Not needed. Hell, with the way the "Big 3" went this year, it may not be needed in football either. I think whether or not it is needed depends upon the distribution of KDS. If KDS is highly skewed it is needed. [/QUOTE]You will never get the results that you are looking for. A lot of folks leave their KDS at 1-15 for various reasons. It could be anything from really wanting the top picks to not caring where they pick or even laziness so right from the top the numbers will be "sk(r)ewed". If anything, 3rr in baseball, would be a detriment to the top pickers not an equalization factor.

mrhambone · Post by **mrhambone** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:38 am

Hey Doughboys. Never got to say congrats on your baseball victory last year. Nicely done. Hope to see you in Vegas this March. The Flaming Rooster's

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:41 am

Originally posted by mrhambone:

Hey Doughboys. Never got to say congrats on your baseball victory last year. Nicely done. Hope to see you in Vegas this March. The Flaming Rooster's Thank you. I loved your offense.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:20 am

Just a reminder that I need the KDS preferences for the 15 owners who will be competing in this league by Monday, Dec. 10th by noon CST. I'll then set this league up with MDC.com. Thanks.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:34 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Just a reminder that I need the KDS preferences for the 15 owners who will be competing in this league by Monday, Dec. 10th by noon CST. I'll then set this league up with MDC.com. Thanks. Does this mean we get our draft slot today- It will give me a break from the fun task I am working on this week of evaluating which guy I would want to target for a second catcher.

Sheep · Post by **Sheep** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:18 am

[/QUOTE]Does this mean we get our draft slot today- It will give me a break from the fun task I am working on this week of evaluating which guy I would want to target for a second catcher. [/QB][/quote]

Chester - Sounds like you are about a month behind

- So I will give you a helping hand - Dioner Navarro (Undrafted in Mock #1)

[ December 10, 2007, 12:20 PM: Message edited by: Sheep ]

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:02 am

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Just a reminder that I need the KDS preferences for the 15 owners who will be competing in this league by Monday, Dec. 10th by noon CST. I'll then set this league up with MDC.com. Thanks. Does this mean we get our draft slot today- It will give me a break from the fun task I am working on this week of evaluating which guy I would want to target for a second catcher. [/QUOTE]Yes. I'm just waiting on one more KDS and then we'll be good to go. But I've randomly picked the order already and I'll apply the KDS soon. I'll announce the draft order before the end of the business day, for sure. I just want this final KDS.

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:20 am

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Just a reminder that I need the KDS preferences for the 15 owners who will be competing in this league by Monday, Dec. 10th by noon CST. I'll then set this league up with MDC.com. Thanks. Does this mean we get our draft slot today- It will give me a break from the fun task I am working on this week of evaluating which guy I would want to target for a second catcher. [/QUOTE]At least today you will know where you are getting your beatdown Chest

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:22 am

Originally posted by Captain Hook:

quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Just a reminder that I need the KDS preferences for the 15 owners who will be competing in this league by Monday, Dec. 10th by noon CST. I'll then set this league up with MDC.com. Thanks. Does this mean we get our draft slot today- It will give me a break from the fun task I am working on this week of evaluating which guy I would want to target for a second catcher. [/QUOTE]At least today you will know where you are getting your beatdown Chest

[/QUOTE]Perry, Perry, Perry hope is eternal this time of year, maybe this year I will only beat you by 10-15 points unlike the last two when it got a bit worse than that.

Maybe we can bet a beer on it- I may come out for some spring training but I am definitely coming for ASU/Georgia next September.

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:23 am

Adult beverage of choice - anytime you get smart enough to show up here

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:39 am

Here's the draft order for the NFBC Champions League that will be featured in our April issue of the Fantasy Sports Magazine:

1. Kevin Dukesherer

2. John Crane

3. Matthew Bauler

4. Jesse Herron

5. Dan Kenyon

6. Jeff Dobies

7. Jason Duponte

8. Perry Van Hook

9. Scott Fleming

10. Jules McLean

11. John Dean

12. Kent Stermon

13. Matt Mickle

14. Chris Poulson

15. Patrick Welsh

Good luck everyone.

Sheep · Post by **Sheep** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:44 am

Looks like an all-star team.

GOD Loves You · Post by **GOD Loves You** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:46 am

Sorry to everyone for the delay. I forgot about the KDS and Greg was kind enough to extend the deadline for me. Thanks Greg and sorry everyone.

Looks like I'll be starting out with V-Mart and Russell

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Should be a fun league and I'm definitely looking forward to the competition.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:47 am

Here's a look at the 15 KDS preferences submitted by our participants. They are random, not in any particular order:

2,1,15,6,7,3,4,5,14,13,12,11,10,9,8

1,2,3,6,7,8,9,5,4,10,11,15,14,12,13

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,15,14,13,12,11,10

5,4,6,8,12,13,10,11,7,9,3,1,2,14,15

4,5,15,14,3,8,6,7,2,1,9,10,11,12,13

4,5,3,1,6,7,2,8,12,9,14,13,10,11,15

1,2,5,6,4,15,14,13,12,11,10,9,8,7,3

7,6,5,4,3,2,1,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,15,14,13,12,11

10,11,12,13,14,15,1,9,8,2,3,5,4,7,6

3,2,1,4,5,6,15,14,13,12,10,7,11,9,8

1,2,3,4,8,7,9,6,5,10,13,12,11,14,15

6,7,8,9,10,11,12,5,4,13,14,15,3,2,1

1,5,7,6,13,14,15,4,3,2,8,9,10,11,12

For the record:

1. The average KDS preference was 4.7, which means the average person moved up 3.3 spots thanks to KDS.

2. Four people got their first preference, two people got their second preference and two people got their third preference. 12 teams got a preference in their top half, while the other three teams got preferences 11th, 12th and 13th. Sorry there.

Geoffrey Stein · Post by **Geoffrey Stein** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:59 am

This draft has been created and invite e-mails have been sent.

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:04 am

Now THAT is an interesting array of preferences..and one I predict won't be duplicated Anyplace.

Only ONE person went straight 1-15?

I know there are a lot of out-of-the-box thinkers in this group and I would love to discuss some of the rationales (although I understand some people not wanting to show what color their thongs are).

Personally I like having the top ranked players - to whatever point I feel like there is a dropoff that would give other positions some advantage. I also like drafting from the middle of the pack if I can't get one of those players. People who draft at either end wait an awful long time for their next pick - and have to think about that when they pick two players.

For the record, my list was:

1,2,3,4,8,7,9,6,5,10,13,12,11,14,15

Would love to hear from the other fine players in this league.....

[ December 10, 2007, 05:06 PM: Message edited by: Captain Hook ]

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:13 am

Thanks Greg, having the 1-slot means I can slack off on further analyzing the 1st-rounders 'til the new yr.

A-Rod, next.