KDS For NFBC Satellite Leagues

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:45 am

Q - if they don't submit a preference, then they view all slots as the same. All owners are held accountable for knowing the rules. Now stop being a supporter of the "forgetful newbie"!

Greg - I'll refine my wording for your consideration for next year.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:46 am

We never really know the results of our league KDS. So I don't know if it even matters if you select 1-15 or let it go. Theres no data to go by.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:46 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

Right now if they forget or overlook the rules then they're still in the running for the top picks on down. Are u saying the early draft slots are the "top picks"

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:48 am

Originally posted by Captain Hook:

I second GG's suggestion -assuming of course that STATS can tell the difference between an untouched 1-15 and a "submitted" 1-15... I do not agree. There is no harm in keeping your preferences 1-15. Someone is NOT going to be randomly picked first out of the hat and drop to their 15th preference because they were the only one in that league to have a KDS preference as 1-15.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:50 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

Q - if they don't submit a preference, then they view all slots as the same. All owners are held accountable for knowing the rules. Now stop being a supporter of the "forgetful newbie"!

Greg - I'll refine my wording for your consideration for next year. No need to. KDS is a benefit if you want to take it. If you're happy with 1-15 in that order, that's fine. Heck, I might even keep mine at 1-15 if I competed today.

No need for a new rule on this. Thanks anyways.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:51 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Captain Hook:

I second GG's suggestion -assuming of course that STATS can tell the difference between an untouched 1-15 and a "submitted" 1-15... I do not agree. There is no harm in keeping your preferences 1-15. Someone is NOT going to be randomly picked first out of the hat and drop to their 15th preference because they were the only one in that league to have a KDS preference as 1-15. [/QUOTE]Greg - you're misreading it. People can still submit 1-15 as their preference. They'd have to hit the "submit" button to lock it in.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:52 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:

Right now if they forget or overlook the rules then they're still in the running for the top picks on down. Are u saying the early draft slots are the "top picks" [/QUOTE]Since I've seen the picks, I can answer this better than Quahogs, who has no data to answer you. Some folks that got the top picks wanted them, but several other owners got top picks and moved down. That's the beauty of the setup. That's why I'm showing you the data now with the satellite leagues, to show how this can work if you want it to. But if you just want the highest possible spot you can get through 1-15, there's nothing wrong with that either.

Carry on folks. No need to complicate things.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:55 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

Q - if they don't submit a preference, then they view all slots as the same. All owners are held accountable for knowing the rules. Now stop being a supporter of the "forgetful newbie"!

Greg - I'll refine my wording for your consideration for next year. No need to. KDS is a benefit if you want to take it. If you're happy with 1-15 in that order, that's fine. Heck, I might even keep mine at 1-15 if I competed today.

No need for a new rule on this. Thanks anyways. [/QUOTE]All I'm saying is that IMO KDS isn't being used to it's fullest. If you're fine with that, then ok, you're the commish!

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:55 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Captain Hook:

I second GG's suggestion -assuming of course that STATS can tell the difference between an untouched 1-15 and a "submitted" 1-15... I do not agree. There is no harm in keeping your preferences 1-15. Someone is NOT going to be randomly picked first out of the hat and drop to their 15th preference because they were the only one in that league to have a KDS preference as 1-15. [/QUOTE]Greg - you're misreading it. People can still submit 1-15 as their preference. They'd have to hit the "submit" button to lock it in. [/QUOTE]I understand perfectly. And if they don't hit the "submit" button they move down to the bottom of the line? Sorry, not needed. Random selections followed by KDS is fine as it is. Sometimes you can outsmart yourself and other times Lady Luck helps you out with a better pick. Now it's what you do with that pick that matters.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:58 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

Q - if they don't submit a preference, then they view all slots as the same. All owners are held accountable for knowing the rules. Now stop being a supporter of the "forgetful newbie"!

Greg - I'll refine my wording for your consideration for next year. No need to. KDS is a benefit if you want to take it. If you're happy with 1-15 in that order, that's fine. Heck, I might even keep mine at 1-15 if I competed today.

No need for a new rule on this. Thanks anyways. [/QUOTE]All I'm saying is that IMO KDS isn't being used to it's fullest. If you're fine with that, then ok, you're the commish!

[/QUOTE]I think you'll see with the main event that over 75% will change their KDS and it might be higher this year as folks get used to this. I think setting the right KDS is another step of preparation for the NFBC, but if others don't mind where they draft then that's their prerogative. But most folks are using the system to their advantage.

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:10 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:

Right now if they forget or overlook the rules then they're still in the running for the top picks on down. Are u saying the early draft slots are the "top picks" [/QUOTE]To a player new to a 15 team draft ? I would have to say they hope they're near the top and not the bottom. That's not much of a reach

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:28 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

Q - if they don't submit a preference, then they view all slots as the same. All owners are held accountable for knowing the rules. Now stop being a supporter of the "forgetful newbie"! Of course they're held accountable. It's a big boy world I know. You just don't want to give the $125 contest startup guy, a possible future $2500 per season rev streamer the hard guy tough S approach in the middle of February for overlooking or forgetting.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:46 am

Q - I'll pm you late (unless I forget). LOL

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:03 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

Q - I'll pm you late (unless I forget). LOL and if you forget you won't be the last PM I read

Hobo Zeke · Post by **Hobo Zeke** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:39 pm

Good one Greg. Smarter heads prevail!

I'm proud to be a member of the NFBC.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:49 pm

Dudes.

If my preference was 1-15...why bother setting the KDS?

If the DEFAULT KDS was ANYTHING other than 1-15...I'd suspect attempted cheating.

Making the default KDS (untouched) anything other than 1-15 would be misleading and sneaky.

~Lance

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:34 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Dudes.

If my preference was 1-15...why bother setting the KDS?

If the DEFAULT KDS was ANYTHING other than 1-15...I'd suspect attempted cheating.

Making the default KDS (untouched) anything other than 1-15 would be misleading and sneaky.

~Lance and starting in 'left field' is lance :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

[ February 14, 2008, 08:39 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:43 pm

C'mon, Mark...

Your first post in this thread attempts to punish people who may in fact NOT be lazy...but KNOW the default, and like it as is.

~Lance

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:45 pm

...and oh yes...

Be my Valentine!

~Lance

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:45 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

C'mon, Mark...

Your first post in this thread attempts to punish people who may in fact NOT be lazy...but KNOW the default, and like it as is.

~Lance not at all lance. you really do like left field

the discussion is over.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:50 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

Greg - an improvement to the current KDS setup is the following...

If someone didn't 'submit' KDS preferences, they should not be evaluated until all of the league owners who DID submit preferences were evaluated.

Please explain how I'm wrong.

(and I was a center fielder in my younger days! Fastest kid on the team!)

Que "Glory Days"

~Lance

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:54 pm

A player does not alter their default KDS.

You assume "they don't care what spot they get"

I assume "they are OK with the default KDS"

Lance

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:08 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Please explain how I'm wrong.

lance - no need to extending this line of discussions any further. i don't want it taking away from the focus of greg's thread any longer.

rkulaski · Post by **rkulaski** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:33 pm

Originally posted by Hobo Zeke:

Good one Greg. Smarter heads prevail!

I'm proud to be a member of the NFBC.

I second that...can't believe I actually read the last 3 pages of this thread...

In regards to page 1, thanks Greg and Tom for giving us the early data on KDS preferences. Really interesting but I can't say I'm surprised. Can't wait for the ADPs from some of the early satellite drafts.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:48 pm

Originally posted by Hitless Wonders:

quote:Originally posted by Hobo Zeke:

Good one Greg. Smarter heads prevail!

I'm proud to be a member of the NFBC.

I second that...can't believe I actually read the last 3 pages of this thread...

In regards to page 1, thanks Greg and Tom for giving us the early data on KDS preferences. Really interesting but I can't say I'm surprised. Can't wait for the ADPs from some of the early satellite drafts. [/QUOTE]i third it!!!

i went back earlier 2nite and read the first couple of posts by greg (didn't do as thoroughly before due to quickly using the blackberry) and saw that the focus was on the newbies understanding the process. sorry for the hijack greg. i'll create a new thread if i have any more bright ideas :rolleyes: