Also, there is an old saying that you never take the bat out of the hands of your best hitter.Is that not exactly my point?? You extend your best hitter's at bat. You are putting the bat in his hands for an extra at bat in which he has a much better chance.
Here are some averages after the count is 0-2. They are the first three I looked at:
A-Rod .125
Wright .228
Pujols .242
And remember, getting those batters with their normal numbers to lead off the next inning is the worst case scenario. The best case scenario is that the at bat continues with the runner 90 feet closer to home. I am not saying you should be sending Bengie Molina or something, but if, say, Schumaker is on first and Pujols is up with 2 strikes and 2 outs there is never a situation that he should not be running unless he is sure of a pitch-out. He gets thrown out and on average you still start the next inning with a runner at first (considering Pujol's walks and slugging %) and with 0 outs there is a much better chance the runner will score.
If you prefer look at it this way: What would you rather get for your fantasy team?
a) An Albert Pujols at bat with no one on base and no outs.
b) A typical .242 hitter with a runner on base and two outs.
If you answered B, good luck with that.
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
in his last 9 games including 2nite, he's had more K's than BB in ONLY 3 games. if that doesn't set off the alarms, i'm not sure what else would.
the innings have caught up with him and most could see it a mile away (like before the season). kiss him goodbye. You know I don't buy that G.
Most pitchers get hurt regardless of workload. Peavy, Webb, Buchholz, Penny, etc etc, tons have gone down already. He was no more likely, and if anything less likely since he's proven more durable than all of these other guys who've pitched far less. That said, I don't doubt he could be headed for the DL. In fact, I think I'd prefer it - he don't like right.
in his last 9 games including 2nite, he's had more K's than BB in ONLY 3 games. if that doesn't set off the alarms, i'm not sure what else would.
the innings have caught up with him and most could see it a mile away (like before the season). kiss him goodbye. You know I don't buy that G.
Most pitchers get hurt regardless of workload. Peavy, Webb, Buchholz, Penny, etc etc, tons have gone down already. He was no more likely, and if anything less likely since he's proven more durable than all of these other guys who've pitched far less. That said, I don't doubt he could be headed for the DL. In fact, I think I'd prefer it - he don't like right.
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Incredible. Soto calls the manager out after a Z pitch thinking he hurt himself. Lou waves at the pen on the way out. He gets to the mound and Z is telling everyone there's nothing wrong.
Lou heads back for the dugout, then the 3rd base ump (the only guy that saw Lou wave) forces Lou to come back out and make a switch. Z doesn't want to give up the ball.
Finally, Lou persuades him that he HAS to take him out. No bigger competitor in the game.
addendum: In the dugout, Z is getting grilled by Lou and the trainer, and he then points to and rotates his shoulder ... read: he's hurt but he doesn't want to stop pitching.
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Lou heads back for the dugout, then the 3rd base ump (the only guy that saw Lou wave) forces Lou to come back out and make a switch. Z doesn't want to give up the ball.
Finally, Lou persuades him that he HAS to take him out. No bigger competitor in the game.
addendum: In the dugout, Z is getting grilled by Lou and the trainer, and he then points to and rotates his shoulder ... read: he's hurt but he doesn't want to stop pitching.
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what's Z's year to date whip after 2nite's performance? i remember you said he wouldn't be "distracted" this year and would be much better than last year. we'll he's not distracted, so his whip should be in the 1.0's or 1.1's, right?
face it, he's been a bust as a #1SP the past couple years, AND THIS YEAR IS NO DIFFERENT.
face it, he's been a bust as a #1SP the past couple years, AND THIS YEAR IS NO DIFFERENT.
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Originally posted by bjoak:
Only you could spin the inevitable injury to one of your players into a story about how great he is. So predictable the sheep who've been listening to the prospectuses-types who've been wrong on him for 4 years running fly down like vultures at the hint of an injury.
Lets run down the SP's ahead of him who were less risky:
- Santana, disappointed
- Peavy, already hurt, just coming back
- Bedard, disappointed, very inconsistent
- Webb, dead-arm just got pounded
- Verlander, era 5+
- Sabathia (the AL-version of Zambrano), worse stats than Z but good after horrible start
- Haren, good
- Hamels, good
- Daisuke, hurt
- Kazmir, was hurt
- Beckett, a few shaky outings but decent
- Felix, good
- Harang, ERA 4+ and just 3 wins
- C Young, a bust then hurt
- Lackey, hurt
- Smoltz, done for the year
- Burnett, ERA close to 5
These were the guys taken ahead of Zambrano in LV3. Stellar. Yes, everyone was right all along to pass on Zambrano for these gems.
And just for fun, the rest of the SPs taken in the same round as Zambrano?
- Oswalt, 5+ era
- R Hill, complete bust
- Shields, so-so, just 4 wins
- Gallardo, done for the year
I'm such an idiot for taking Zambrano. stupid, stupid, stupid (insert Chris Farley impersonation).
Freakin' sheep.
Only you could spin the inevitable injury to one of your players into a story about how great he is. So predictable the sheep who've been listening to the prospectuses-types who've been wrong on him for 4 years running fly down like vultures at the hint of an injury.
Lets run down the SP's ahead of him who were less risky:
- Santana, disappointed
- Peavy, already hurt, just coming back
- Bedard, disappointed, very inconsistent
- Webb, dead-arm just got pounded
- Verlander, era 5+
- Sabathia (the AL-version of Zambrano), worse stats than Z but good after horrible start
- Haren, good
- Hamels, good
- Daisuke, hurt
- Kazmir, was hurt
- Beckett, a few shaky outings but decent
- Felix, good
- Harang, ERA 4+ and just 3 wins
- C Young, a bust then hurt
- Lackey, hurt
- Smoltz, done for the year
- Burnett, ERA close to 5
These were the guys taken ahead of Zambrano in LV3. Stellar. Yes, everyone was right all along to pass on Zambrano for these gems.
And just for fun, the rest of the SPs taken in the same round as Zambrano?
- Oswalt, 5+ era
- R Hill, complete bust
- Shields, so-so, just 4 wins
- Gallardo, done for the year
I'm such an idiot for taking Zambrano. stupid, stupid, stupid (insert Chris Farley impersonation).
Freakin' sheep.
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
what's Z's year to date whip after 2nite's performance? i remember you said he wouldn't be "distracted" this year and would be much better than last year. we'll he's not distracted, so his whip should be in the 1.0's or 1.1's, right?
face it, he's been a bust as a #1SP the past couple years, AND THIS YEAR IS NO DIFFERENT. Zambrano is the 20th ranked pitcher in the NFBC right now. I selected him as the 18th SP. Is that a bust?
Of the 19 SPs selected ahead of him, only 6 have better numbers. So if he's a bust, then 2/3rds of the guys ahead of him are bigger busts.
what's Z's year to date whip after 2nite's performance? i remember you said he wouldn't be "distracted" this year and would be much better than last year. we'll he's not distracted, so his whip should be in the 1.0's or 1.1's, right?
face it, he's been a bust as a #1SP the past couple years, AND THIS YEAR IS NO DIFFERENT.
Zambrano is the 20th ranked pitcher in the NFBC right now. I selected him as the 18th SP. Is that a bust? Of the 19 SPs selected ahead of him, only 6 have better numbers. So if he's a bust, then 2/3rds of the guys ahead of him are bigger busts.
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
So predictable the sheep fly down like vultures at the hint of an injury.
weren't you the guy who FIRST posted 2nite that Z might be hurt!?!?!?!?!?!
"Don't like the way Zambrano is throwing tonight. Kinda looks like his shoulder might be hurting."
ROFLMAO
So predictable the sheep fly down like vultures at the hint of an injury.
weren't you the guy who FIRST posted 2nite that Z might be hurt!?!?!?!?!?!
"Don't like the way Zambrano is throwing tonight. Kinda looks like his shoulder might be hurting."
ROFLMAO
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
GG, I thought you gave up getting sucked into expert misinformation after your footballguys.com debacle? no idea what u are talking about. i said Z was a BUST b4 the season started. his numbers to date (AS WELL AS HIS FUTURE OUTLOOK) look like a bust to me. whip and K's are unacceptable. it's just a matter of time b4 his era catches up with that inflated whip and no K zone. i say "only a matter of time", but if he goes on the DL, i guess his era can't go any higher
GG, I thought you gave up getting sucked into expert misinformation after your footballguys.com debacle?
no idea what u are talking about. i said Z was a BUST b4 the season started. his numbers to date (AS WELL AS HIS FUTURE OUTLOOK) look like a bust to me. whip and K's are unacceptable. it's just a matter of time b4 his era catches up with that inflated whip and no K zone. i say "only a matter of time", but if he goes on the DL, i guess his era can't go any higher -
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kevin - you know this is all in good fun. first beer is on me in vegas
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
So predictable the sheep fly down like vultures at the hint of an injury.
weren't you the guy who FIRST posted 2nite that Z might be hurt!?!?!?!?!?!
"Don't like the way Zambrano is throwing tonight. Kinda looks like his shoulder might be hurting."
ROFLMAO [/QUOTE]Yep, 'cause I thought he was hurt and 4 inning later looks like I was right. Do I think the cause of it was 2005 workload? No.
I could write the headlines for tomorrow's rotoworld, baseball prospectus, rotowire, etc.
"Zambrano's shoulder is hurting. We knew it all along, all those innings blah, blah, blah".
But isn't it funny that the 16 of 23 other guys selected in the same round of before him that weren't overworked are/were hurt or have flat out sucked?
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
So predictable the sheep fly down like vultures at the hint of an injury.
weren't you the guy who FIRST posted 2nite that Z might be hurt!?!?!?!?!?!
"Don't like the way Zambrano is throwing tonight. Kinda looks like his shoulder might be hurting."
ROFLMAO
[/QUOTE]Yep, 'cause I thought he was hurt and 4 inning later looks like I was right. Do I think the cause of it was 2005 workload? No. I could write the headlines for tomorrow's rotoworld, baseball prospectus, rotowire, etc.
"Zambrano's shoulder is hurting. We knew it all along, all those innings blah, blah, blah".
But isn't it funny that the 16 of 23 other guys selected in the same round of before him that weren't overworked are/were hurt or have flat out sucked?
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
kevin - you know this is all in good fun. first beer is on me in vegas No worries GG.
My writing style sometimes comes more contentious than it is. (We used to have someone else like that on here, but he's mellowed a little ).
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kevin - you know this is all in good fun. first beer is on me in vegas No worries GG.
My writing style sometimes comes more contentious than it is. (We used to have someone else like that on here, but he's mellowed a little
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
GG, I thought you gave up getting sucked into expert misinformation after your footballguys.com debacle? btw, there is not a site (either baseball or football) that i would trust more than MY research/projections/etc. sometimes you can pick up little pieces of info here and there, but at the level i think i'm operating at, websites can only slow me down and feed me misinformation/research.
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GG, I thought you gave up getting sucked into expert misinformation after your footballguys.com debacle?
btw, there is not a site (either baseball or football) that i would trust more than MY research/projections/etc. sometimes you can pick up little pieces of info here and there, but at the level i think i'm operating at, websites can only slow me down and feed me misinformation/research.[ June 18, 2008, 09:34 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
GG, I thought you gave up getting sucked into expert misinformation after your footballguys.com debacle? btw, there is not a site (either baseball or football) that i would trust more than MY research/projections/etc. sometimes you can pick it little pieces of info here and there, but at the level i think i'm operating at, websites can only slow me down and feed me misinformation/research. [/QUOTE]Yeah, I know G, we agree on that.
My venting is really targeting at the websites I know will be gloating over Z being hurt tomorrow, and crowing how they were right while they say nothing of the dozen busts that were taken ahead of him that they all loved.
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
GG, I thought you gave up getting sucked into expert misinformation after your footballguys.com debacle?
btw, there is not a site (either baseball or football) that i would trust more than MY research/projections/etc. sometimes you can pick it little pieces of info here and there, but at the level i think i'm operating at, websites can only slow me down and feed me misinformation/research. [/QUOTE]Yeah, I know G, we agree on that. My venting is really targeting at the websites I know will be gloating over Z being hurt tomorrow, and crowing how they were right while they say nothing of the dozen busts that were taken ahead of him that they all loved.
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Quite a list though above, huh?
More than 2/3rds of pitchers taken in the 7th+ rounds could be busts. Kinda wants you not want to take a pitcher in the top 7 rounds next year. Scary true. My 1st pitcher in the main wasn't until round 8. Should have done that for all my leagues.
The top 30 pre season all look so good and safe. You almost feel you HAVE to snuggle up with a couple of them.
Quite a list though above, huh?
More than 2/3rds of pitchers taken in the 7th+ rounds could be busts. Kinda wants you not want to take a pitcher in the top 7 rounds next year. Scary true. My 1st pitcher in the main wasn't until round 8. Should have done that for all my leagues.
The top 30 pre season all look so good and safe. You almost feel you HAVE to snuggle up with a couple of them.
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Originally posted by Quahogs:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Quite a list though above, huh?
More than 2/3rds of pitchers taken in the 7th+ rounds could be busts. Kinda wants you not want to take a pitcher in the top 7 rounds next year. Scary true. My 1st pitcher in the main wasn't until round 8. Should have done that for all my leagues.
The top 30 pre season all look so good and safe. You almost feel you HAVE to snuggle up with a couple of them. [/QUOTE]And you're in the top 5 ... that may be next year's recipe.
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Quite a list though above, huh?
More than 2/3rds of pitchers taken in the 7th+ rounds could be busts. Kinda wants you not want to take a pitcher in the top 7 rounds next year. Scary true. My 1st pitcher in the main wasn't until round 8. Should have done that for all my leagues.
The top 30 pre season all look so good and safe. You almost feel you HAVE to snuggle up with a couple of them. [/QUOTE]And you're in the top 5 ... that may be next year's recipe.
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Quite a list though above, huh?
More than 2/3rds of pitchers taken in the 7th+ rounds could be busts. Kinda wants you not want to take a pitcher in the top 7 rounds next year. Scary true. My 1st pitcher in the main wasn't until round 8. Should have done that for all my leagues.
The top 30 pre season all look so good and safe. You almost feel you HAVE to snuggle up with a couple of them. [/QUOTE]And you're in the top 5 ... that may be next year's recipe. [/QUOTE]right :rolleyes: ... just as long as you draft 09's Volquez in the 28th rd. If you don't then you're looking at 205th place
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quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Quite a list though above, huh?
More than 2/3rds of pitchers taken in the 7th+ rounds could be busts. Kinda wants you not want to take a pitcher in the top 7 rounds next year. Scary true. My 1st pitcher in the main wasn't until round 8. Should have done that for all my leagues.
The top 30 pre season all look so good and safe. You almost feel you HAVE to snuggle up with a couple of them. [/QUOTE]And you're in the top 5 ... that may be next year's recipe. [/QUOTE]right :rolleyes: ... just as long as you draft 09's Volquez in the 28th rd. If you don't then you're looking at 205th place
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
what's Z's year to date whip after 2nite's performance? i remember you said he wouldn't be "distracted" this year and would be much better than last year. we'll he's not distracted, so his whip should be in the 1.0's or 1.1's, right?
face it, he's been a bust as a #1SP the past couple years, AND THIS YEAR IS NO DIFFERENT. Zambrano is the 20th ranked pitcher in the NFBC right now. I selected him as the 18th SP. Is that a bust?
Of the 19 SPs selected ahead of him, only 6 have better numbers. So if he's a bust, then 2/3rds of the guys ahead of him are bigger busts. [/QUOTE]Since your other posts demonstrate that you started slamming shots immediately after the injury, I'll just respond to this one.
One of the other 6 is mine--Haren. We'll see where Zambrano ranks after he is on the shelf for probably the next two months. Though I see that after the game he admitted he "don't know nothing" so it is hard to say anything matter-of-factly other than that Zammy doesn't get paid for his intellect on the mound.
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
what's Z's year to date whip after 2nite's performance? i remember you said he wouldn't be "distracted" this year and would be much better than last year. we'll he's not distracted, so his whip should be in the 1.0's or 1.1's, right?
face it, he's been a bust as a #1SP the past couple years, AND THIS YEAR IS NO DIFFERENT.
Zambrano is the 20th ranked pitcher in the NFBC right now. I selected him as the 18th SP. Is that a bust? Of the 19 SPs selected ahead of him, only 6 have better numbers. So if he's a bust, then 2/3rds of the guys ahead of him are bigger busts. [/QUOTE]Since your other posts demonstrate that you started slamming shots immediately after the injury, I'll just respond to this one.
One of the other 6 is mine--Haren. We'll see where Zambrano ranks after he is on the shelf for probably the next two months. Though I see that after the game he admitted he "don't know nothing" so it is hard to say anything matter-of-factly other than that Zammy doesn't get paid for his intellect on the mound.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
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Haren's been better than I expected. Good pick so far.
Z - I'm not sure being the 25 yr old ace and emotional leader of the best team in baseball that hasn't won in a hundred years and wanting to compete at the expense of his own health is a bad thing. If his name was Smoltz would you say the same?
Just personal preference, but I like guys like him over Josh Beckett types that take two weeks off if they have a sniffle or a hangnail.
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Z - I'm not sure being the 25 yr old ace and emotional leader of the best team in baseball that hasn't won in a hundred years and wanting to compete at the expense of his own health is a bad thing. If his name was Smoltz would you say the same?
Just personal preference, but I like guys like him over Josh Beckett types that take two weeks off if they have a sniffle or a hangnail.
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