I think there are different level of commitments on these slow draft. I know next year some leagues will turn into invitation only.
Shawn is correct, there are different levels of committment to these leagues. Equally important, there are different levels of expectation going in. Some anticipated a finish in 7-10 days, others in 2-3 weeks. The key to the ongoing success of this new format is getting folks slotted in the league that fits their lifestyle's or expectation's. Perhaps next year an 'Estimated Time to Completion' should be added to the Slow Draft lineup, enabling folks to join the league that's most suitable for them. Slower or faster, it can be frustrating for whoever ends up in a league that doesn't match their time allotted to play criteria. Just a thought for next year.
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In these slow drafts there will be times when you need support from MDC. If they aren't going be available, someone in the league has to take the lead. KJ saw this before we started the first one and it helped with the draft process. As these drafts progress into rounds when players aren't listed, who is going to be available to help track down placeholder and communicate information to the other owners? In the seoncd $325 draft, I'm keeping track. As I'm at the computer a lot, I can't be one all the time. We had a slow down last night because of a placeholder. Each league only has one at each position I believe. Because I wasn't on, we are stuck on a selection to be put in by MDC. Jeff Dobies is a plane to Arizona. We have his pick, but we have no way to get this processed. If he is timed out, the next player will pick. I will to hold my spot until his pick his corrected.
Steve Wells suggested adding more placeholders. You could have Placeholder 1SP, Placeholder 2SP, and so on. Someone would have to keep track of them. To keep this moving, we are using players who would never get drafted.
In these slow drafts there will be times when you need support from MDC. If they aren't going be available, someone in the league has to take the lead. KJ saw this before we started the first one and it helped with the draft process. As these drafts progress into rounds when players aren't listed, who is going to be available to help track down placeholder and communicate information to the other owners? In the seoncd $325 draft, I'm keeping track. As I'm at the computer a lot, I can't be one all the time. We had a slow down last night because of a placeholder. Each league only has one at each position I believe. Because I wasn't on, we are stuck on a selection to be put in by MDC. Jeff Dobies is a plane to Arizona. We have his pick, but we have no way to get this processed. If he is timed out, the next player will pick. I will to hold my spot until his pick his corrected.
Steve Wells suggested adding more placeholders. You could have Placeholder 1SP, Placeholder 2SP, and so on. Someone would have to keep track of them. To keep this moving, we are using players who would never get drafted.
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Longoria going way too early
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Longoria going way too early agreed
Longoria going way too early agreed
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
Okay, since everyone has been good, here's a fourth set of draft results from the Slow Leagues through Round 6:
FIRST ROUND
1. Alex Rodriguez
2. Hanley Ramirez
3. Jose Reyes
4. Albert Pujols
5. David Wright
6. Miguel Cabrera
7. Grady Sizemore
8. Ryan Braun
9. Ryan Howard
10. Jimmy Rollins
11. Mark Teixeira
12. Ian Kinsler
13. Josh Hamilton
14. Evan Longoria
15. Dustin Pedroia
SECOND ROUND
16. Carlos Lee
17. Matt Holliday
18. B.J. Upton
19. Carl Crawford
20. Chase Utley
21. Alfonso Soriano
22. Carlos Beltran
23. Justin Morneau
24. Lance Berkman
25. Brandon Phillips
26. Matt Kemp
27. Prince Fielder
28. Johan Santana
29. Tim Lincecum
30. Brian Roberts
THIRD ROUND
31. Nick Markakis
32. Alex Rios
33. Alexei Ramirez
34. Ichiro Suzuki
35. Jason Bay
36. Nate McLouth
37. Manny Ramirez
38. CC Sabathia
39. Aramis Ramirez
40. Carlos Quentin
41. Jacoby Ellsbury
42. Shane Victorino
43. Adrian Gonzalez
44. Brandon Webb
45. Curtis Granderson
FOURTH ROUND
46. Vladimir Guerrero
47. Cole Hamels
48. Brian McCann
49. Kevin Youkilis
50. Russell Martin
51. Dan Haren
52. Josh Beckett
53. Roy Halladay
54. Rafael Furcal
55. Magglio Ordonez
56. Joe Mauer
57. David Ortiz
58. Joey Votto
59. Jonathan Papelbon
60. Corey Hart
FIFTH ROUND
61. Hunter Pence
62. Geovany Soto
63. Jake Peavy
64. Victor Martinez
65. Brad Lidge
66. Chipper Jones
67. Joe Nathan
68. Bobby Abreu
69. Dan Uggla
70. Chris Davis
71. Cliff Lee
72. Garrett Atkins
73. Joakim Soria
74. Francisco Rodriguez
75. Ervin Santana
SIXTH ROUND
76. Stephen Drew
77. Derek Jeter
78. Francisco Liriano
79. J.J. Hardy
80. Aubrey Huff
81. Derrek Lee
82. Scott Kazmir
83. Johnny Damon
84. Mariano Rivera
85. James Shields
86. Troy Tulowitzki
87. Chad Billingsley
88. B.J. Ryan
89. Jon Lester
90. Vernon Wells some thoughts...
FIRST ROUND
11. Mark Teixeira – He’s a top 7 pick. Finally some outstanding lineup protection. 110-35-120-.300 should be his floor.
14. Evan Longoria – He’s not a first rounder. Too green. I would start to consider him around pick 22.
SECOND ROUND
24. Lance Berkman – Should be drafted ahead of most of the players taken b4 him in round 2. He gets incorrectly discounted every year (even by me)
25. Brandon Phillips – He’s a mid-3rd rounder trapped in the body of a mid-2nd rounder!
THIRD ROUND
37. Manny Ramirez – Way too expensive a pick seeing how he’s not even on a team
40. Carlos Quentin – Beastmaster year last year. No way he makes it to the 3rd round come March. Upside too high
FOURTH ROUND
51. Dan Haren – Haren over Peavy??? Not!
57. David Ortiz – I’m not a fan of locking up the DH early, but 4th round is screamingly good value.
FIFTH ROUND
63. Jake Peavy – Best value pick of the posted draft
65. Brad Lidge – Remember, Buy low, SELL high
70. Chris Davis – Honorable mention for best value pick of the draft
SIXTH ROUND
81. Derrek Lee – Did this guy die? 6th rounder? A small bounceback makes him a 4th round value pick.
83. Johnny Damon – Too early. Way too early.
Okay, since everyone has been good, here's a fourth set of draft results from the Slow Leagues through Round 6:
FIRST ROUND
1. Alex Rodriguez
2. Hanley Ramirez
3. Jose Reyes
4. Albert Pujols
5. David Wright
6. Miguel Cabrera
7. Grady Sizemore
8. Ryan Braun
9. Ryan Howard
10. Jimmy Rollins
11. Mark Teixeira
12. Ian Kinsler
13. Josh Hamilton
14. Evan Longoria
15. Dustin Pedroia
SECOND ROUND
16. Carlos Lee
17. Matt Holliday
18. B.J. Upton
19. Carl Crawford
20. Chase Utley
21. Alfonso Soriano
22. Carlos Beltran
23. Justin Morneau
24. Lance Berkman
25. Brandon Phillips
26. Matt Kemp
27. Prince Fielder
28. Johan Santana
29. Tim Lincecum
30. Brian Roberts
THIRD ROUND
31. Nick Markakis
32. Alex Rios
33. Alexei Ramirez
34. Ichiro Suzuki
35. Jason Bay
36. Nate McLouth
37. Manny Ramirez
38. CC Sabathia
39. Aramis Ramirez
40. Carlos Quentin
41. Jacoby Ellsbury
42. Shane Victorino
43. Adrian Gonzalez
44. Brandon Webb
45. Curtis Granderson
FOURTH ROUND
46. Vladimir Guerrero
47. Cole Hamels
48. Brian McCann
49. Kevin Youkilis
50. Russell Martin
51. Dan Haren
52. Josh Beckett
53. Roy Halladay
54. Rafael Furcal
55. Magglio Ordonez
56. Joe Mauer
57. David Ortiz
58. Joey Votto
59. Jonathan Papelbon
60. Corey Hart
FIFTH ROUND
61. Hunter Pence
62. Geovany Soto
63. Jake Peavy
64. Victor Martinez
65. Brad Lidge
66. Chipper Jones
67. Joe Nathan
68. Bobby Abreu
69. Dan Uggla
70. Chris Davis
71. Cliff Lee
72. Garrett Atkins
73. Joakim Soria
74. Francisco Rodriguez
75. Ervin Santana
SIXTH ROUND
76. Stephen Drew
77. Derek Jeter
78. Francisco Liriano
79. J.J. Hardy
80. Aubrey Huff
81. Derrek Lee
82. Scott Kazmir
83. Johnny Damon
84. Mariano Rivera
85. James Shields
86. Troy Tulowitzki
87. Chad Billingsley
88. B.J. Ryan
89. Jon Lester
90. Vernon Wells some thoughts...
FIRST ROUND
11. Mark Teixeira – He’s a top 7 pick. Finally some outstanding lineup protection. 110-35-120-.300 should be his floor.
14. Evan Longoria – He’s not a first rounder. Too green. I would start to consider him around pick 22.
SECOND ROUND
24. Lance Berkman – Should be drafted ahead of most of the players taken b4 him in round 2. He gets incorrectly discounted every year (even by me)
25. Brandon Phillips – He’s a mid-3rd rounder trapped in the body of a mid-2nd rounder!
THIRD ROUND
37. Manny Ramirez – Way too expensive a pick seeing how he’s not even on a team
40. Carlos Quentin – Beastmaster year last year. No way he makes it to the 3rd round come March. Upside too high
FOURTH ROUND
51. Dan Haren – Haren over Peavy??? Not!
57. David Ortiz – I’m not a fan of locking up the DH early, but 4th round is screamingly good value.
FIFTH ROUND
63. Jake Peavy – Best value pick of the posted draft
65. Brad Lidge – Remember, Buy low, SELL high
70. Chris Davis – Honorable mention for best value pick of the draft
SIXTH ROUND
81. Derrek Lee – Did this guy die? 6th rounder? A small bounceback makes him a 4th round value pick.
83. Johnny Damon – Too early. Way too early.
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I think a few players are going too early but not many. Longoria, Pedroia, Holliday, B.J. Ryan going too early in the latest draft posted but everyone else is pretty close to being in line with what we'll see in most drafts.
Kemp went in 2nd round but we'll mostly see him go in the 3rd. Upton is going a little early considering he's missing a couple weeks of the season. Shouldn't affect his draft status much but he's taken damn near the first round with just the 18th pick.
Vladdy slips into the 4th round for the first time ever and Billingsley is seeing a lot of love this year (understandably), going in the 6th round. Peavy in the 5th looks like a steal here.
And even as a Cliff Lee drafter last year, still hard for me to see him go in the 5th round. You know he won't repeat what he did last year and if you draft him you'd love to see his 2005 but even that could be a slight stretch. Seems like a pretty big gamble in the 5th. He won't be my anchor, that's for sure. He realistically could end up with 15 wins - 3.80 e.r.a. - 1.30 whip - 140 k's. You might get that out of Bedard in 3/4 of a season and suffer just a 13th rounder.
All in all, most players are taken around where they should.
Kemp went in 2nd round but we'll mostly see him go in the 3rd. Upton is going a little early considering he's missing a couple weeks of the season. Shouldn't affect his draft status much but he's taken damn near the first round with just the 18th pick.
Vladdy slips into the 4th round for the first time ever and Billingsley is seeing a lot of love this year (understandably), going in the 6th round. Peavy in the 5th looks like a steal here.
And even as a Cliff Lee drafter last year, still hard for me to see him go in the 5th round. You know he won't repeat what he did last year and if you draft him you'd love to see his 2005 but even that could be a slight stretch. Seems like a pretty big gamble in the 5th. He won't be my anchor, that's for sure. He realistically could end up with 15 wins - 3.80 e.r.a. - 1.30 whip - 140 k's. You might get that out of Bedard in 3/4 of a season and suffer just a 13th rounder.
All in all, most players are taken around where they should.
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I agree with most with Longoria , pick 18 to 23 seem's about right but he keep's sneaking into the 1st round.
Berkman at 24 seem's right,he alway's scare me especially with that softball player body.BUT Berkman is another year older and those 2nd half numbers will keep me away.
7 homers
38 rbi's
252 bavg
Agree Johnny Damon is to high,he is now 35 and the steals will one day slow down.
Alexi Rameriz is another i really like but he's been going around 30 to 35 which is too high.I thought he would be a 5th round pick before the mock drafts.He did bat a the bottom of the lineup most of last year and didnt like his 211 september bavg.
Corey Hart is another guy going in the 4th round but a guy with a 300 OBP is just the worst.That is just enough to go safer in the 4th round.
Berkman at 24 seem's right,he alway's scare me especially with that softball player body.BUT Berkman is another year older and those 2nd half numbers will keep me away.
7 homers
38 rbi's
252 bavg
Agree Johnny Damon is to high,he is now 35 and the steals will one day slow down.
Alexi Rameriz is another i really like but he's been going around 30 to 35 which is too high.I thought he would be a 5th round pick before the mock drafts.He did bat a the bottom of the lineup most of last year and didnt like his 211 september bavg.
Corey Hart is another guy going in the 4th round but a guy with a 300 OBP is just the worst.That is just enough to go safer in the 4th round.
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Originally posted by eddiejag:
I agree with most with Longoria , pick 18 to 23 seem's about right but he keep's sneaking into the 1st round.
Berkman at 24 seem's right,he alway's scare me especially with that softball player body.BUT Berkman is another year older and those 2nd half numbers will keep me away.
on the softball player look!!!
your second reason is exactly why i mentioned him getting discounted.
I agree with most with Longoria , pick 18 to 23 seem's about right but he keep's sneaking into the 1st round.
Berkman at 24 seem's right,he alway's scare me especially with that softball player body.BUT Berkman is another year older and those 2nd half numbers will keep me away.
on the softball player look!!!your second reason is exactly why i mentioned him getting discounted.
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Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
I still can't believe Holliday's still going in the first round.
His 162 game average away from Coors for his career is .280-20-85-95 runs - 18 steals.
Now he's in a new league facing pitchers he's never faced before, hitting in one of the league's best pitcher parks.
I don't think I'd draft him ahead of Nate McClouth who's going in the 3rd/4th rounds.
Is there anyone else out there who is baffled by people who draft Holliday in the 1st round? So you are ok with McCluth hitting .265 at home? [/QUOTE]I see what you're saying, but McClouth is on his way up and at 27, he could be primed for a huge year. If Holliday is better in 2009, it's because he gets 20 points in average on McClouth, but will Holliday have more homers? More rbi's? More runs? More stolen bases? The answer will be no to all 4. [/QUOTE]I smell a bet coming, you got money to back that up, Crazy? [/QUOTE]Do I think it will happen? Yes. Would I place an even bet on it? No, that wouldn't be smart especially when I should be getting 3/1 odds that said player overtakes Holliday in 4 out of 5 cats. Minimum 150 games played between each player. [/QUOTE]Let the backpeddling begin.
What you are saying about your own statement is, yes, I believe McLouth will beat Matt Holliday in four of five categoies. BUT...... Even in my own mind I believe that really there is only a one in three chance of this occurring AND I want to take out that nasty injury history that has affected McLouth in the past.
This renders your prognostication meaningless.
quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
I still can't believe Holliday's still going in the first round.
His 162 game average away from Coors for his career is .280-20-85-95 runs - 18 steals.
Now he's in a new league facing pitchers he's never faced before, hitting in one of the league's best pitcher parks.
I don't think I'd draft him ahead of Nate McClouth who's going in the 3rd/4th rounds.
Is there anyone else out there who is baffled by people who draft Holliday in the 1st round? So you are ok with McCluth hitting .265 at home? [/QUOTE]I see what you're saying, but McClouth is on his way up and at 27, he could be primed for a huge year. If Holliday is better in 2009, it's because he gets 20 points in average on McClouth, but will Holliday have more homers? More rbi's? More runs? More stolen bases? The answer will be no to all 4. [/QUOTE]I smell a bet coming, you got money to back that up, Crazy? [/QUOTE]Do I think it will happen? Yes. Would I place an even bet on it? No, that wouldn't be smart especially when I should be getting 3/1 odds that said player overtakes Holliday in 4 out of 5 cats. Minimum 150 games played between each player. [/QUOTE]Let the backpeddling begin.
What you are saying about your own statement is, yes, I believe McLouth will beat Matt Holliday in four of five categoies. BUT...... Even in my own mind I believe that really there is only a one in three chance of this occurring AND I want to take out that nasty injury history that has affected McLouth in the past.
This renders your prognostication meaningless.
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Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
I think a few players are going too early but not many. Longoria, Pedroia, Holliday, B.J. Ryan going too early in the latest draft posted but everyone else is pretty close to being in line with what we'll see in most drafts.
Kemp went in 2nd round but we'll mostly see him go in the 3rd. Upton is going a little early considering he's missing a couple weeks of the season. Shouldn't affect his draft status much but he's taken damn near the first round with just the 18th pick.
Vladdy slips into the 4th round for the first time ever and Billingsley is seeing a lot of love this year (understandably), going in the 6th round. Peavy in the 5th looks like a steal here.
And even as a Cliff Lee drafter last year, still hard for me to see him go in the 5th round. You know he won't repeat what he did last year and if you draft him you'd love to see his 2005 but even that could be a slight stretch. Seems like a pretty big gamble in the 5th. He won't be my anchor, that's for sure. He realistically could end up with 15 wins - 3.80 e.r.a. - 1.30 whip - 140 k's. You might get that out of Bedard in 3/4 of a season and suffer just a 13th rounder.
All in all, most players are taken around where they should. If Pedroia repeats last year's numbers, is he worth an early to mid 2nd rd pick? Odds on a repeat? Tough call.
I always seem to stay away from berkman just like gg mentioned. I feel if i draft him, he's going to throw out his back or something like that. Yes, a bad second half but what a first half.
D lee- not even worth a 4th rd pick anymore unless you think he might return to double digit steals or hit over .300 again.
Speaking of Peavy slipping, bedard has fallen off the earth. 14rds through our slow draft and still undrafted.
I think a few players are going too early but not many. Longoria, Pedroia, Holliday, B.J. Ryan going too early in the latest draft posted but everyone else is pretty close to being in line with what we'll see in most drafts.
Kemp went in 2nd round but we'll mostly see him go in the 3rd. Upton is going a little early considering he's missing a couple weeks of the season. Shouldn't affect his draft status much but he's taken damn near the first round with just the 18th pick.
Vladdy slips into the 4th round for the first time ever and Billingsley is seeing a lot of love this year (understandably), going in the 6th round. Peavy in the 5th looks like a steal here.
And even as a Cliff Lee drafter last year, still hard for me to see him go in the 5th round. You know he won't repeat what he did last year and if you draft him you'd love to see his 2005 but even that could be a slight stretch. Seems like a pretty big gamble in the 5th. He won't be my anchor, that's for sure. He realistically could end up with 15 wins - 3.80 e.r.a. - 1.30 whip - 140 k's. You might get that out of Bedard in 3/4 of a season and suffer just a 13th rounder.
All in all, most players are taken around where they should. If Pedroia repeats last year's numbers, is he worth an early to mid 2nd rd pick? Odds on a repeat? Tough call.
I always seem to stay away from berkman just like gg mentioned. I feel if i draft him, he's going to throw out his back or something like that. Yes, a bad second half but what a first half.
D lee- not even worth a 4th rd pick anymore unless you think he might return to double digit steals or hit over .300 again.
Speaking of Peavy slipping, bedard has fallen off the earth. 14rds through our slow draft and still undrafted.
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Originally posted by rkulaski:
Speaking of Peavy slipping, bedard has fallen off the earth. 14rds through our slow draft and still undrafted. remember, buy low, sell high
Speaking of Peavy slipping, bedard has fallen off the earth. 14rds through our slow draft and still undrafted. remember, buy low, sell high
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Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
I still can't believe Holliday's still going in the first round.
His 162 game average away from Coors for his career is .280-20-85-95 runs - 18 steals.
Now he's in a new league facing pitchers he's never faced before, hitting in one of the league's best pitcher parks.
I don't think I'd draft him ahead of Nate McClouth who's going in the 3rd/4th rounds.
Is there anyone else out there who is baffled by people who draft Holliday in the 1st round? So you are ok with McCluth hitting .265 at home? [/QUOTE]I see what you're saying, but McClouth is on his way up and at 27, he could be primed for a huge year. If Holliday is better in 2009, it's because he gets 20 points in average on McClouth, but will Holliday have more homers? More rbi's? More runs? More stolen bases? The answer will be no to all 4. [/QUOTE]I smell a bet coming, you got money to back that up, Crazy? [/QUOTE]Do I think it will happen? Yes. Would I place an even bet on it? No, that wouldn't be smart especially when I should be getting 3/1 odds that said player overtakes Holliday in 4 out of 5 cats. Minimum 150 games played between each player. [/QUOTE]Let the backpeddling begin.
What you are saying about your own statement is, yes, I believe McLouth will beat Matt Holliday in four of five categoies. BUT...... Even in my own mind I believe that really there is only a one in three chance of this occurring AND I want to take out that nasty injury history that has affected McLouth in the past.
This renders your prognostication meaningless. [/QUOTE]You don't get it. I'm not backpedaling. Here's a good example. Let's say I make a statement like team A in the superbowl is a 7 point favorite but I think team B is going to win based on a number of things, is it smart for me to bet even odds or take the 7 points?? I'm taking the 7 points.
I'm saying Holliday who 2 years ago hit .340-36-137 with 120 runs is going to be beat in 4 out of 5 categories by McClouth who plays for the lowly Pirates. I deserve odds here, that's reasonable isn't it?
But if you want to, we can certainly make a gentleman's bet.
I never backpedaled from my statement. I stand by it.
I also think the Dodgers will win the World Series, will I bet even odds on it, no.
quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
I still can't believe Holliday's still going in the first round.
His 162 game average away from Coors for his career is .280-20-85-95 runs - 18 steals.
Now he's in a new league facing pitchers he's never faced before, hitting in one of the league's best pitcher parks.
I don't think I'd draft him ahead of Nate McClouth who's going in the 3rd/4th rounds.
Is there anyone else out there who is baffled by people who draft Holliday in the 1st round? So you are ok with McCluth hitting .265 at home? [/QUOTE]I see what you're saying, but McClouth is on his way up and at 27, he could be primed for a huge year. If Holliday is better in 2009, it's because he gets 20 points in average on McClouth, but will Holliday have more homers? More rbi's? More runs? More stolen bases? The answer will be no to all 4. [/QUOTE]I smell a bet coming, you got money to back that up, Crazy? [/QUOTE]Do I think it will happen? Yes. Would I place an even bet on it? No, that wouldn't be smart especially when I should be getting 3/1 odds that said player overtakes Holliday in 4 out of 5 cats. Minimum 150 games played between each player. [/QUOTE]Let the backpeddling begin.
What you are saying about your own statement is, yes, I believe McLouth will beat Matt Holliday in four of five categoies. BUT...... Even in my own mind I believe that really there is only a one in three chance of this occurring AND I want to take out that nasty injury history that has affected McLouth in the past.
This renders your prognostication meaningless. [/QUOTE]You don't get it. I'm not backpedaling. Here's a good example. Let's say I make a statement like team A in the superbowl is a 7 point favorite but I think team B is going to win based on a number of things, is it smart for me to bet even odds or take the 7 points?? I'm taking the 7 points.
I'm saying Holliday who 2 years ago hit .340-36-137 with 120 runs is going to be beat in 4 out of 5 categories by McClouth who plays for the lowly Pirates. I deserve odds here, that's reasonable isn't it?
But if you want to, we can certainly make a gentleman's bet.
I never backpedaled from my statement. I stand by it.
I also think the Dodgers will win the World Series, will I bet even odds on it, no.
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:
quote:Originally posted by rkulaski:
Speaking of Peavy slipping, bedard has fallen off the earth. 14rds through our slow draft and still undrafted. remember, buy low, sell high [/QUOTE]Let's keep that between us. Erik has been forgotten, and that's fine with me.
quote:Originally posted by rkulaski:
Speaking of Peavy slipping, bedard has fallen off the earth. 14rds through our slow draft and still undrafted. remember, buy low, sell high [/QUOTE]Let's keep that between us. Erik has been forgotten, and that's fine with me.
"Hit a home run - put your head down, drop the bat, run around the bases, because the name on the front is more - a lot more important than the name on the back."
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Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
I still can't believe Holliday's still going in the first round.
His 162 game average away from Coors for his career is .280-20-85-95 runs - 18 steals.
Now he's in a new league facing pitchers he's never faced before, hitting in one of the league's best pitcher parks.
I don't think I'd draft him ahead of Nate McClouth who's going in the 3rd/4th rounds.
Is there anyone else out there who is baffled by people who draft Holliday in the 1st round? So you are ok with McCluth hitting .265 at home? [/QUOTE]I see what you're saying, but McClouth is on his way up and at 27, he could be primed for a huge year. If Holliday is better in 2009, it's because he gets 20 points in average on McClouth, but will Holliday have more homers? More rbi's? More runs? More stolen bases? The answer will be no to all 4. [/QUOTE]I smell a bet coming, you got money to back that up, Crazy? [/QUOTE]Do I think it will happen? Yes. Would I place an even bet on it? No, that wouldn't be smart especially when I should be getting 3/1 odds that said player overtakes Holliday in 4 out of 5 cats. Minimum 150 games played between each player. [/QUOTE]Let the backpeddling begin.
What you are saying about your own statement is, yes, I believe McLouth will beat Matt Holliday in four of five categoies. BUT...... Even in my own mind I believe that really there is only a one in three chance of this occurring AND I want to take out that nasty injury history that has affected McLouth in the past.
This renders your prognostication meaningless. [/QUOTE]I'm saying Holliday who 2 years ago hit .340-36-137 with 120 runs is going to be beat in 4 out of 5 categories by McClouth who plays for the lowly Pirates. [/QUOTE]Oh, I get it. That one in three chance still looms large in your mind and you're thinking that hmmm, Holliday will probably still outperform McLouth.
It is backpeddling when a statement like that is made and then want odds and an escape hatch since your superhero McLouth has never played 150 games in his life till last year.
When we bet on the Super Bowl, Vegas dosen't give us a team to bet on and afterwards say, hey, wait a minute I need points or odds for that bet. You've got it a little backward there, Crazy.
quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
I still can't believe Holliday's still going in the first round.
His 162 game average away from Coors for his career is .280-20-85-95 runs - 18 steals.
Now he's in a new league facing pitchers he's never faced before, hitting in one of the league's best pitcher parks.
I don't think I'd draft him ahead of Nate McClouth who's going in the 3rd/4th rounds.
Is there anyone else out there who is baffled by people who draft Holliday in the 1st round? So you are ok with McCluth hitting .265 at home? [/QUOTE]I see what you're saying, but McClouth is on his way up and at 27, he could be primed for a huge year. If Holliday is better in 2009, it's because he gets 20 points in average on McClouth, but will Holliday have more homers? More rbi's? More runs? More stolen bases? The answer will be no to all 4. [/QUOTE]I smell a bet coming, you got money to back that up, Crazy? [/QUOTE]Do I think it will happen? Yes. Would I place an even bet on it? No, that wouldn't be smart especially when I should be getting 3/1 odds that said player overtakes Holliday in 4 out of 5 cats. Minimum 150 games played between each player. [/QUOTE]Let the backpeddling begin.
What you are saying about your own statement is, yes, I believe McLouth will beat Matt Holliday in four of five categoies. BUT...... Even in my own mind I believe that really there is only a one in three chance of this occurring AND I want to take out that nasty injury history that has affected McLouth in the past.
This renders your prognostication meaningless. [/QUOTE]I'm saying Holliday who 2 years ago hit .340-36-137 with 120 runs is going to be beat in 4 out of 5 categories by McClouth who plays for the lowly Pirates. [/QUOTE]Oh, I get it. That one in three chance still looms large in your mind and you're thinking that hmmm, Holliday will probably still outperform McLouth.
It is backpeddling when a statement like that is made and then want odds and an escape hatch since your superhero McLouth has never played 150 games in his life till last year.
When we bet on the Super Bowl, Vegas dosen't give us a team to bet on and afterwards say, hey, wait a minute I need points or odds for that bet. You've got it a little backward there, Crazy.
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Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
You've got it a little backward there, Crazy. dan - his name is Crazy
You've got it a little backward there, Crazy. dan - his name is Crazy
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Ok Crazy, You've made the statement and been called on it. You've backpeddled but I am not going to let you get away, rash predictions should be backed up.
Now, reading between the lines, you haven't entered the NFBC Main Draft and you would only want a "Genleman's bet" leads me to believe that you are cash challenged. Thats ok, been there, still doing that.
So, here is the bet, and this goes for both sides-
If McLouth beats Holliday in hr, r, rbi, and sb next year you can change my signature to read anything you want for a month next season. Same goes if Holliday beats McLouth in just one of those categories next year. I send you the text for your sigature and you'll have to live with that signature for a month. I'll even pick the shortest month of February for next year, deal?
[ January 19, 2009, 12:05 PM: Message edited by: DOUGHBOYS ]
Now, reading between the lines, you haven't entered the NFBC Main Draft and you would only want a "Genleman's bet" leads me to believe that you are cash challenged. Thats ok, been there, still doing that.
So, here is the bet, and this goes for both sides-
If McLouth beats Holliday in hr, r, rbi, and sb next year you can change my signature to read anything you want for a month next season. Same goes if Holliday beats McLouth in just one of those categories next year. I send you the text for your sigature and you'll have to live with that signature for a month. I'll even pick the shortest month of February for next year, deal?
[ January 19, 2009, 12:05 PM: Message edited by: DOUGHBOYS ]
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Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
I see what you're saying, but McClouth is on his way up and at 27, he could be primed for a huge year. If Holliday is better in 2009, it's because he gets 20 points in average on McClouth, but will Holliday have more homers? More rbi's? More runs? More stolen bases? The answer will be no to all 4. here is crazy's first post saying mclouth will beat holliday in all categories except batting average.
there's only two horses in this race. mclouth and holliday. if you think (as you said) mcloth will beat holliday in all those categories, you would be a FOOL not to take even money. THERE'S ONLY TWO HORSES IN THIS RACE!!!
it's like saying the 2009 world series is between the dodgers and the royals. crazy says the dodgers will win the series but wants better than even money to bet.
crazy, you are indeed crazy. either that or you don't know how to calculate odds given a TWO HORSE FIELD!!!
I see what you're saying, but McClouth is on his way up and at 27, he could be primed for a huge year. If Holliday is better in 2009, it's because he gets 20 points in average on McClouth, but will Holliday have more homers? More rbi's? More runs? More stolen bases? The answer will be no to all 4. here is crazy's first post saying mclouth will beat holliday in all categories except batting average.
there's only two horses in this race. mclouth and holliday. if you think (as you said) mcloth will beat holliday in all those categories, you would be a FOOL not to take even money. THERE'S ONLY TWO HORSES IN THIS RACE!!!
it's like saying the 2009 world series is between the dodgers and the royals. crazy says the dodgers will win the series but wants better than even money to bet.
crazy, you are indeed crazy. either that or you don't know how to calculate odds given a TWO HORSE FIELD!!!
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Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
Ok Crazy, You've made the statement and been called on it. You've backpeddled but I am not going to let you get away, rash predictions should be backed up.
Now, reading between the lines, you haven't entered the NFBC Main Draft and you would only want a "Genleman's bet" leads me to believe that you are cash challenged. Thats ok, been there, still doing that.
So, here is the bet, and this goes for both sides-
If McLouth beats Holliday in hr, r, rbi, and sb next year you can change my signature to read anything you want for a month next season. Same goes if Holliday beats McLouth in just one of those categories next year. I send you the text for your sigature and you'll have to live with that signature for a month. I'll even pick the shortest month of February for next year, deal?
Ok Crazy, You've made the statement and been called on it. You've backpeddled but I am not going to let you get away, rash predictions should be backed up.
Now, reading between the lines, you haven't entered the NFBC Main Draft and you would only want a "Genleman's bet" leads me to believe that you are cash challenged. Thats ok, been there, still doing that.
So, here is the bet, and this goes for both sides-
If McLouth beats Holliday in hr, r, rbi, and sb next year you can change my signature to read anything you want for a month next season. Same goes if Holliday beats McLouth in just one of those categories next year. I send you the text for your sigature and you'll have to live with that signature for a month. I'll even pick the shortest month of February for next year, deal?
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That didn't work out too well...
Can anyone get in on this action?
Can anyone get in on this action?
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Originally posted by Lunatic:
That didn't work out too well...
Can anyone get in on this action? Which side are you taking?
That didn't work out too well...
Can anyone get in on this action? Which side are you taking?
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Holliday should outperform in BA, HR and RBI, McLouth gets the other two cats - to think otherwise is a major extrapolation of a sensational 1/2 a season by Nate. For '09 I think both are being drafted sooner than they should - I have them each losing 20%-30% of last year's dollar value.
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I like McLouth and think their is value here at the right time. I wouldnt go middle third round where he hasbeen going but middle of the 4th seem's like value.I have a saying show me twice Mr Fudd and you will be missing out on a guy 27 years old and ready for his prime years.BUT stick to show me three times as you will miss out on many.
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Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
quote:Originally posted by Lunatic:
That didn't work out too well...
Can anyone get in on this action? Which side are you taking? [/QUOTE]Holliday; I also think he wins a minimum 3-2; Avg, HR, RBI's; I give him the edge in Runs and Mc the edge in SB
quote:Originally posted by Lunatic:
That didn't work out too well...
Can anyone get in on this action? Which side are you taking? [/QUOTE]Holliday; I also think he wins a minimum 3-2; Avg, HR, RBI's; I give him the edge in Runs and Mc the edge in SB
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:
quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
I see what you're saying, but McClouth is on his way up and at 27, he could be primed for a huge year. If Holliday is better in 2009, it's because he gets 20 points in average on McClouth, but will Holliday have more homers? More rbi's? More runs? More stolen bases? The answer will be no to all 4. here is crazy's first post saying mclouth will beat holliday in all categories except batting average.
there's only two horses in this race. mclouth and holliday. if you think (as you said) mcloth will beat holliday in all those categories, you would be a FOOL not to take even money. THERE'S ONLY TWO HORSES IN THIS RACE!!!
it's like saying the 2009 world series is between the dodgers and the royals. crazy says the dodgers will win the series but wants better than even money to bet.
crazy, you are indeed crazy. either that or you don't know how to calculate odds given a TWO HORSE FIELD!!! [/QUOTE]Well, it's 2 horses in a 1 1/4 furlong race, and one horse has to beat the other through every 1/4 furlong of the race but one. Ok, horrible analogy, but not as simple as horse vs horse. Also, if I bet there would definitely be a 150 game minimum between both players or the bet is disqualified.
Hey, I'll put $20 on it Doughboys just for fun. 150 game minimum for each player.
I am cash challenged but we can make an even bet here.
[ January 19, 2009, 08:04 PM: Message edited by: Crazy Like a Fox ]
quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
I see what you're saying, but McClouth is on his way up and at 27, he could be primed for a huge year. If Holliday is better in 2009, it's because he gets 20 points in average on McClouth, but will Holliday have more homers? More rbi's? More runs? More stolen bases? The answer will be no to all 4. here is crazy's first post saying mclouth will beat holliday in all categories except batting average.
there's only two horses in this race. mclouth and holliday. if you think (as you said) mcloth will beat holliday in all those categories, you would be a FOOL not to take even money. THERE'S ONLY TWO HORSES IN THIS RACE!!!
it's like saying the 2009 world series is between the dodgers and the royals. crazy says the dodgers will win the series but wants better than even money to bet.
crazy, you are indeed crazy. either that or you don't know how to calculate odds given a TWO HORSE FIELD!!! [/QUOTE]Well, it's 2 horses in a 1 1/4 furlong race, and one horse has to beat the other through every 1/4 furlong of the race but one. Ok, horrible analogy, but not as simple as horse vs horse. Also, if I bet there would definitely be a 150 game minimum between both players or the bet is disqualified.
Hey, I'll put $20 on it Doughboys just for fun. 150 game minimum for each player.
I am cash challenged but we can make an even bet here.
[ January 19, 2009, 08:04 PM: Message edited by: Crazy Like a Fox ]
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