Another reason the DL rule needs to be removed

751542 · Post by **751542** » Sat May 02, 2009 3:59 am

here..here

SluggoJD · Post by **SluggoJD** » Sat May 02, 2009 4:18 am

I also support simple twice-a-week moves, instead of the chaotic DL rule, that some folks have abused.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Sat May 02, 2009 4:25 am

Originally posted by SluggoJD:

I also support simple twice-a-week moves, instead of the chaotic DL rule, that some folks have abused. i agree as well. imagine all of Greg's headaches that would go away with the DL rule nonexistant

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Sat May 02, 2009 4:45 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by SluggoJD:

I also support simple twice-a-week moves, instead of the chaotic DL rule, that some folks have abused. i agree as well. imagine all of Greg's headaches that would go away with the DL rule nonexistant

[/QUOTE]Me too it adds a nice element of strategy to the game too.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sat May 02, 2009 5:20 am

I'd go for twice a week and no more MB crying under one condition...

REDUCE the bench from 7 to 5.

The closer we get to daily moves...the smaller the bench should become.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Sat May 02, 2009 5:23 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

I'd go for twice a week and no more MB crying under one condition...

REDUCE the bench from 7 to 5.

The closer we get to daily moves...the smaller the bench should become. that would be a terrible idea IMO

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sat May 02, 2009 5:39 am

Upon further review...I'm back to being strongly opposed to twice weekly move independant of injuries.

That is not what this game was designed to be.

The NFBC was created and has grown each year as a ONCE WEEKLY game, and has tried to help out teams with injuies with the DL rule.

Changing the game to twice weekly changes the game completely.

I vote a resounding "NO"

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sat May 02, 2009 5:43 am

Twice weekly would open the game up to teams with tons of free time to roster manipulate and wind up with possibly HUNDREDS more at bats and innings pitched and all the goodies that come with them. The teams that play this game and don't get on the MB (A LARGE MAJORITY) keep getting squeezed by the loud minority and are excluded from game changing decisions lobbied here on the board, and get screwed without having a voice in the matter.

Sack · Post by **Sack** » Sat May 02, 2009 5:44 am

They will never give us twice a week moves.

I'd be all for it - more control and it will favor the players that stay on top of the news and reward the extra effort and strategy.

751542 · Post by **751542** » Sat May 02, 2009 5:47 am

NEVER SAY NEVER!!!

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sat May 02, 2009 5:48 am

Good coffee...

...the NFBC BENCH...designed to be a safety net for good managers to add depth and team insurance, or security for closers, stockpiling studs, etc. would morph into the reality of instead of 23 starters each week for all teams, and letting the better managers win...it would be more close to a 26 man league with all of the switching in and out each week, and alter the motivations of the free agent biddings completely.

Screw twice weekly.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sat May 02, 2009 5:51 am

I'm currently in two daily move leagues. All it does is favor the most active. It is not a true judge of a players skill...only his effort.

Example.

The best team at a given time in the NFBC in 2009 can sit pat on the masterful team he has assembled through the draft and free agency. His bench backs up his MI, CI, OF and pitching. He can rest, knowing his team is dominant, and is prepared for injury, when they arise.

Same team with new rule...

Instead of creating the best team and bench...he now must factor in weekend pitchers up the wazoo...he must sacrifice his solid bench to keep up with the Jones' who are busy bodies trying to make up in effort (free agent endless moves), what they lack in team and bench.

It would force you to play the shuffle game or lose.

I'm not sure that's the direction Greg wants to take the NFBC. at least if he cares for the non-MB owners.

[ May 02, 2009, 11:57 AM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sat May 02, 2009 9:08 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Twice weekly would open the game up to teams with tons of free time to roster manipulate and wind up with possibly HUNDREDS more at bats and innings pitched and all the goodies that come with them. The teams that play this game and don't get on the MB (A LARGE MAJORITY) keep getting squeezed by the loud minority and are excluded from game changing decisions lobbied here on the board, and get screwed without having a voice in the matter. Sorry Lance, but it simply requires going into your lineups Thur nite/Fri morn to makes moves everyone has been trained to do already do with the DL rule. If you're not doing this already, you're dead money anyways.

This is a suggestion for next year and Greg has ample time to get the feedback from all.

I doubt "hundreds" of extra AB's will be found, but I'm already missing at least 50 by week 4 with the current DL rule that was suppose to fix this type of thing....

No on the 5 bench also. 7 is short enough with no DL for players on the DL.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sat May 02, 2009 9:09 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

I'm currently in two daily move leagues. All it does is favor the most active. It is not a true judge of a players skill...on Lance, why do you keep harping on daily moves when no one is suggesting that? :rolleyes:

Scott Boras · Post by **Scott Boras** » Sat May 02, 2009 9:17 am

I agree with Lance and I haven't even had anything to drink!

Having twice weekly moves would change the dynamic of this contest. Pitching stat requirements would increase across the board and benches would be primarily composed of pitchers. It would be FAR more time consuming juggling lineups every week as you'd have to spend Sunday night/Monday morning planning who to start the week and then Thursday night/Friday morning again planning your weekend attack.

The "I have a life" crowd would never find this kind of time

I still think the easiest, fairest, and most pragmatic move is simply to remove the Friday from the DL rule. As someone stated earlier, EVERYONE checks box scores daily and follows their players. They know when their guys get hurt. Checking back in at their convenience ANY day to switch a DL move is NOT work. Most teams only have one option to switch if any at all.

Allowing a universal DL move is saving time and balancing luck. I can not see it any other way at this point.

Scott Boras · Post by **Scott Boras** » Sat May 02, 2009 9:21 am

Originally posted by JohnZ:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Twice weekly would open the game up to teams with tons of free time to roster manipulate and wind up with possibly HUNDREDS more at bats and innings pitched and all the goodies that come with them. The teams that play this game and don't get on the MB (A LARGE MAJORITY) keep getting squeezed by the loud minority and are excluded from game changing decisions lobbied here on the board, and get screwed without having a voice in the matter. Sorry Lance, but it simply requires going into your lineups Thur nite/Fri morn to makes moves everyone has been trained to do already do with the DL rule. If you're not doing this already, you're dead money anyways.

This is a suggestion for next year and Greg has ample time to get the feedback from all.

I doubt "hundreds" of extra AB's will be found, but I'm already missing at least 50 by week 4 with the current DL rule that was suppose to fix this type of thing....

No on the 5 bench also. 7 is short enough with no DL for players on the DL. [/QUOTE]John, a universal DL rule would have salvaged more of those lost at bats than a twice weekly move would have.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sat May 02, 2009 9:30 am

Originally posted by Scott Boras:

quote:Originally posted by JohnZ:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Twice weekly would open the game up to teams with tons of free time to roster manipulate and wind up with possibly HUNDREDS more at bats and innings pitched and all the goodies that come with them. The teams that play this game and don't get on the MB (A LARGE MAJORITY) keep getting squeezed by the loud minority and are excluded from game changing decisions lobbied here on the board, and get screwed without having a voice in the matter. Sorry Lance, but it simply requires going into your lineups Thur nite/Fri morn to makes moves everyone has been trained to do already do with the DL rule. If you're not doing this already, you're dead money anyways.

This is a suggestion for next year and Greg has ample time to get the feedback from all.

I doubt "hundreds" of extra AB's will be found, but I'm already missing at least 50 by week 4 with the current DL rule that was suppose to fix this type of thing....

No on the 5 bench also. 7 is short enough with no DL for players on the DL. [/QUOTE]John, a universal DL rule would have salvaged more of those lost at bats than a twice weekly move would have. [/QUOTE]I would be for that rule if DL moves were done in real time. But they are not. It's not even 100% that they get posted even at midnight.

And at that, a floating DL truly rewards those that look it it everyday.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sat May 02, 2009 9:37 am

I just (once again) see a small minority of loud contestants trying to exploit an opportunity to try and alter the contest extremely with "Helping teams hit by injury" as a fake cover.

If you don't think twice a week roster moves would be an extreme change to the game, then NOT changing should not be a big deal.

This false fix trying to "help" those teams run over by injuries is absolute bullshit, and should not even BE in a "DL" labeled thread...because it would actualy do MORE DAMAGE to teams who incur injuries/DL'd players by not only everything that happens now, but also forcing a portion of a NOW USED AND CRITICAL BENCH to be used/wasted with injured/DL'd players, thus putting them at an even GREATER disadvantage to those teams free of injury to play the shuffle game.

[ May 02, 2009, 03:46 PM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sat May 02, 2009 9:50 am

Originally posted by JohnZ:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

I'm currently in two daily move leagues. All it does is favor the most active. It is not a true judge of a players skill...on Lance, why do you keep harping on daily moves when no one is suggesting that? :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]OK :rolleyes: ...and people used to refer to a "week" as 7 days...not 4 and 3...yet that seems to be the new talk of the day.

Shuffle all you want...4 to 5 times a month!

I understand the value of contestant input...but the way the convicts want to run the prison here by trying to essentially vote on stuff that isn't even up for a vote.

[ May 02, 2009, 03:54 PM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Sat May 02, 2009 10:11 am

Eddie G would also welcome twice a week moves and like the Gek said it would make life much easier for Greg.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sat May 02, 2009 10:27 am

Greg... Let's have a mid-season league to test out pros and cons of Mon/Fri moves.

New rules always have lesser effects that always can't be seen initially....

$125...

Draft this Wed/Thur nite so we can start the following Monday.

1) JZ

2) Lance..he has to play LOL.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Sat May 02, 2009 10:29 am

Originally posted by Scott Boras:

I agree with Lance and I haven't even had anything to drink!

Having twice weekly moves would change the dynamic of this contest. Pitching stat requirements would increase across the board and benches would be primarily composed of pitchers. It would be FAR more time consuming juggling lineups every week as you'd have to spend Sunday night/Monday morning planning who to start the week and then Thursday night/Friday morning again planning your weekend attack.

The "I have a life" crowd would never find this kind of time

I still think the easiest, fairest, and most pragmatic move is simply to remove the Friday from the DL rule. As someone stated earlier, EVERYONE checks box scores daily and follows their players. They know when their guys get hurt. Checking back in at their convenience ANY day to switch a DL move is NOT work. Most teams only have one option to switch if any at all.

Allowing a universal DL move is saving time and balancing luck. I can not see it any other way at this point. Twice a week moves would not factor pitchers. Only position players.

Pitchers would have to be voted in at a later date if the masses wanted it.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Sat May 02, 2009 11:03 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Twice weekly would open the game up to teams with tons of free time to roster manipulate and wind up with possibly HUNDREDS more at bats and innings pitched and all the goodies that come with them. The teams that play this game and don't get on the MB (A LARGE MAJORITY) keep getting squeezed by the loud minority and are excluded from game changing decisions lobbied here on the board, and get screwed without having a voice in the matter. Lance, I'll have a larger post later about TWICE, I'm a little crunched for time but did want to say a couple of things.

First, I agree that daily moves suck. It makes no sense, to make moves everyday is ludicrous and if you're in leagues like that, you have nobody to blame but yourself.

I was pretty much on an island when I brought up twice a week moves a few years ago. I do think the tide is finally starting to turn. I'm also getting pm's and e-mails from people that don't normally post on the Boards so I don't think you're speaking for the silent majority.

Nothing will change this year and unless something unforeseen happens, nothing will change next year. But we will have twice a week moves in the future, it just makes too much sense.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Sat May 02, 2009 11:17 am

Power to the people,right on Dan the Man.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sat May 02, 2009 12:06 pm

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Twice weekly would open the game up to teams with tons of free time to roster manipulate and wind up with possibly HUNDREDS more at bats and innings pitched and all the goodies that come with them. The teams that play this game and don't get on the MB (A LARGE MAJORITY) keep getting squeezed by the loud minority and are excluded from game changing decisions lobbied here on the board, and get screwed without having a voice in the matter. Lance, I'll have a larger post later about TWICE, I'm a little crunched for time but did want to say a couple of things.

First, I agree that daily moves suck. It makes no sense, to make moves everyday is ludicrous and if you're in leagues like that, you have nobody to blame but yourself.

I was pretty much on an island when I brought up twice a week moves a few years ago. I do think the tide is finally starting to turn. I'm also getting pm's and e-mails from people that don't normally post on the Boards so I don't think you're speaking for the silent majority.

Nothing will change this year and unless something unforeseen happens, nothing will change next year. But we will have twice a week moves in the future, it just makes too much sense. [/QUOTE]Let the games begin!!!

I did not realise your TWICE was really TWICE(ep) "excluding pitchers.

I just think once a week and no DL is perfect.

Why do you feel removing the damage of injuries makes you a better or more skilled fantasy player?