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Post by Sack » Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:18 am

Greg:



Excellent - thanks for hearing me on this and MORE importantly that my words are taken strictly POSITIVE in trying to give you feedback on how the new setup will be approached. I want this to succeed.





I like that I still have a choice. I'm still keeping an open mind towards Bellagio weekend, that WILL be the big show.





"But you have us thinking now, so stay tuned."



Thats all I ask! ;)



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Post by bjoak » Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:28 am

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

quote:Originally posted by rkulaski:

All I can say is now I go have one heck of a meal for $50 for TWO people in many restaurants. The price seems pretty steep but I'll wait to hear what's on the menu. Where are you having a heck of a meal for two for $50? Sizzler doesn't count....



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[/QUOTE]I'm not sure whether you eat at French Laundry every time you go out ( http://www.tkrg.org/upload/fl_menu.pdf ), but off the top of my head, here is one from my town. Can get a heck of a meal for two for $30-35:



http://asenarestaurant.com/dinner.html



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Post by JamesH » Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:50 am

At the Bellagio, chicken fingers and fries probably costs $50. Thats the price you pay to draft at a swanky hotel. I'd be just fine drafting in a dump in downtown Vegas. The Bellagio is nice, but in these economic times I question the wisdom of hosting a draft there simply because of the increased costs.

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Post by King of Queens » Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:52 am

Originally posted by bjoak:

I'm not sure whether you eat at French Laundry every time you go out ( http://www.tkrg.org/upload/fl_menu.pdf )The best of the best!

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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:58 am

Originally posted by bjoak:

Greg, personally, I was very borderline on the double play and I think the fee made up my mind on that. I know you're not worried about my little decisions but maybe others feel the same way.



As for the main event, I think I'd definitely feel better about the charge if you gave us some indication of what they're planning to have for us (and when they're planning to have it, i.e. before/during/after the draft). I have a hard time believing that whatever I eat will be *worth* $50, but if I at least know that I will not need to drop $20-30 on breakfast beforehand, it will help to justify the cost in my mind.



I think that though some folks complained about two weekends they were mollified when you made the Bellagio announcement. Announcing what you have planned for the $50 really might have the same effect here. We don't need the precise details if you don't have them, but I think it'd be great to demystify them a little bit. We trust you, but when you say give us $50 and we'll give you something special, well, it's just not very concrete in our minds as consumers.



Also, I liked the optional charge someone brought up. I never ate at the drafts and never had a problem with what was or wasn't offered. Sure Brian, it's a good idea, but we don't even have final contracts yet in New York and Chicago, so we can't explain everything yet. This isn't just a Bellagio charge and the folks in NY and Chicago are right: "Don't charge us for what those dudes are getting in LV and then give us bread and water." So I don't have the menus for every venue yet because I don't have final contracts for everything yet. We're announcing a lot of things early for you folks, but finalizing everything can't be done on all fronts for a bit yet.



And please get beyond the $50 means $50 in just food. There are other amenities involved and we'll provide those in every city. Just stay tuned. We're working on so many fronts to make this better and in the end we hope to pull them all off, but it's possible we won't be able to. But we're thinking bigger on every front. Nobody has done some of the things we're trying to pull off.



I know a lot of people didn't have problems with the food or the other draft locations, but we're improving this EVENT all together, just like we kept all costs down together in the past. I'm done taking crap about being the cheapest game operator on food. We're moving on up in the locations and the side benefits that go with drafting along with us. And if additional costs is the main factor in your decisions to continue playing with us, the first weekend has NO EVENTS FEES in LV and St. Louis.



But we'll see what we can do for those who take multiple teams and still pay our bills. ;)



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Post by Captain Hook » Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:09 am

Greg - I know you take every comment to heart and want to make every single customer happy, but remember......"You can't please all the people all the time."

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Post by bjoak » Sat Oct 17, 2009 1:06 pm

Originally posted by Beezman:

At the Bellagio, chicken fingers and fries probably costs $50. Thats the price you pay to draft at a swanky hotel. I'd be just fine drafting in a dump in downtown Vegas. The Bellagio is nice, but in these economic times I question the wisdom of hosting a draft there simply because of the increased costs. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, the Bellagio buffet is $30. But of course you don't get a couple drinks and "other ammenities."



Greg, if the other ammenities are power strips for everyone and Internet in the draft room, I am 100% on board! :cool: How are we supposed to participate in multiple drafts all day with no power? :D



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Post by CC's Desperados » Sat Oct 17, 2009 1:29 pm

Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by Beezman:

At the Bellagio, chicken fingers and fries probably costs $50. Thats the price you pay to draft at a swanky hotel. I'd be just fine drafting in a dump in downtown Vegas. The Bellagio is nice, but in these economic times I question the wisdom of hosting a draft there simply because of the increased costs. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, the Bellagio buffet is $30. But of course you don't get a couple drinks and "other ammenities."



Greg, if the other ammenities are power strips for everyone and Internet in the draft room, I am 100% on board! :cool: How are we supposed to participate in multiple drafts all day with no power? :D
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Post by Dak » Sat Oct 17, 2009 1:29 pm

Will the Phone League participants be charged $50 for providing their own Corona and peanuts? :D :D

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Post by bjoak » Sat Oct 17, 2009 1:38 pm

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by Beezman:

At the Bellagio, chicken fingers and fries probably costs $50. Thats the price you pay to draft at a swanky hotel. I'd be just fine drafting in a dump in downtown Vegas. The Bellagio is nice, but in these economic times I question the wisdom of hosting a draft there simply because of the increased costs. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, the Bellagio buffet is $30. But of course you don't get a couple drinks and "other ammenities."



Greg, if the other ammenities are power strips for everyone and Internet in the draft room, I am 100% on board! :cool: How are we supposed to participate in multiple drafts all day with no power? :D
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Post by KJ Duke » Sat Oct 17, 2009 1:45 pm

Would you like the amenities behind door #1, #2 or #3?







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Post by Glenneration X » Sat Oct 17, 2009 1:46 pm

Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by Glenneration X:

quote:Originally posted by rkulaski:

All I can say is now I go have one heck of a meal for $50 for TWO people in many restaurants. The price seems pretty steep but I'll wait to hear what's on the menu. Where are you having a heck of a meal for two for $50? Sizzler doesn't count....



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[/QUOTE]I'm not sure whether you eat at French Laundry every time you go out ( http://www.tkrg.org/upload/fl_menu.pdf ), but off the top of my head, here is one from my town. Can get a heck of a meal for two for $30-35:



http://asenarestaurant.com/dinner.html
[/QUOTE]Dude....first off, I didn't say I always eat at the "French Laundry" when I go out. I eat at places like the Asena Restaurant also....but I'm not eating there for two for $30-35.



Look at the prices on your menu link....an average entree is about $15.....that's $30 before you even add in appetizers, drinks, possibly a desert, coffee, tax & tip.



Simple math....you're not eating at Applebees for two for $30-35.



Now you've got me hungry....time to raid the fridge.... :D



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Post by Glenneration X » Sat Oct 17, 2009 1:53 pm

Hate to harp on it....

but I think the key is discounts for multiple event entries.

Its something this contest has done before, its something many of the competing contests are doing, and I think if discounting is put in place (different levels of discounts for different levels of participation), noone would gripe about the event fees.



I am looking forward to finding out what other amenities are being offered and even more, what the East Coast location and events are....



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Post by RichV » Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:17 pm

Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by Beezman:

At the Bellagio, chicken fingers and fries probably costs $50. Thats the price you pay to draft at a swanky hotel. I'd be just fine drafting in a dump in downtown Vegas. The Bellagio is nice, but in these economic times I question the wisdom of hosting a draft there simply because of the increased costs. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, the Bellagio buffet is $30. But of course you don't get a couple drinks and "other ammenities."



Greg, if the other ammenities are power strips for everyone and Internet in the draft room, I am 100% on board! :cool: How are we supposed to participate in multiple drafts all day with no power? :D
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Post by Captain Hook » Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:27 pm

Rich in the XFL which does it's auction draft in November (in Phoenix for the AFL and First Pitch Arizona) which Greg and Todd and I play in....you are allowed to bring in nada....they give you a sheet that shows all the keepers by team and a sheet that shows the avaialble players (active September rosters).......no laptops, no books, no magazines, no cheatsheets.



Just you and your pen/pencil and two pieces of paper......

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Post by Captain Hook » Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:28 pm

sorry for the hijack Greg....go back to listening to the complaints ;)

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Post by RichV » Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:35 pm

Originally posted by Captain Hook:

Rich in the XFL which does it's auction draft in November (in Phoenix for the AFL and First Pitch Arizona) which Greg and Todd and I play in....you are allowed to bring in nada....they give you a sheet that shows all the keepers by team and a sheet that shows the avaialble players (active September rosters).......no laptops, no books, no magazines, no cheatsheets.



Just you and your pen/pencil and two pieces of paper...... Love the concept. Maybe even tougher in a no-trade snake draft.

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Post by Glenneration X » Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:49 pm

Originally posted by Captain Hook:

sorry for the hijack Greg....go back to listening to the complaints ;) I've noticed recently that there's a prevailing attitude by a certain constituency on this board that if you give an opinion that strays from the majority or what is being offered, it is considered "complaining".



Feedback, both positive and negative, should be welcome and should be considered beneficial. It is a major factor in creating change for the better. I seriously doubt this contest we all love has remained completely stagnant during its years of existence. I'm sure many of the rule changes that we all now embrace were initially brought up in the form of "complaining".



Although I am both in agreement with and excited by most of what has been brought forth recently by the new regime, I understand that others may not feel the same. Those that don't, have a right to express their ambivalence, especially when feedback from everyone was requested.



Just tired of seeing others denigrated by those who think they represent everyone else in this contest.



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Post by Captain Hook » Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:57 pm

Glenn if that was directed at me, I don't presume to represent anyone other than myself.



That said you can't possibly maintain that all of the comments in these thread are realistic, positive comments about the event...even if constructive criticism.



Honest, sincere comments are fine - whether negative or positive about any aspect of this contest. Greg goes way beyond what is required to try and satisfy his customers.

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Post by KJ Duke » Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:03 pm

Originally posted by Captain Hook:

Rich in the XFL which does it's auction draft in November (in Phoenix for the AFL and First Pitch Arizona) which Greg and Todd and I play in....you are allowed to bring in nada....they give you a sheet that shows all the keepers by team and a sheet that shows the avaialble players (active September rosters).......no laptops, no books, no magazines, no cheatsheets.



Just you and your pen/pencil and two pieces of paper...... How about no pens or paper either, no player lists, no co-managers.



Just 15 owners, draft moderators, a big board, some chairs and drinks. Wouldn't even need a table. The rainman league. Might be fun.



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Post by Glenneration X » Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:16 pm

Originally posted by Captain Hook:

Glenn if that was directed at me, I don't presume to represent anyone other than myself.



That said you can't possibly maintain that all of the comments in these thread are realistic, positive comments about the event...even if constructive criticism.



Honest, sincere comments are fine - whether negative or positive about any aspect of this contest. Greg goes way beyond what is required to try and satisfy his customers. Please don't take this personally Captain, I happen to think you bring some of the best posts & create some of the best threads for both this board & the NFFC board. This post was not directed personally at you, but at something more prevalent I've noticed recently and have issue with, that your post unfortunately reminds me of. I respect you and the vast majority of those who post on these boards, just didn't like the post.



As far as Greg is concerned, his desire to make each and every member of his contests happy seems very sincere and is greatly appreciated & respected by most. I am a fan.



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Post by Glenneration X » Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:19 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by Captain Hook:

Rich in the XFL which does it's auction draft in November (in Phoenix for the AFL and First Pitch Arizona) which Greg and Todd and I play in....you are allowed to bring in nada....they give you a sheet that shows all the keepers by team and a sheet that shows the avaialble players (active September rosters).......no laptops, no books, no magazines, no cheatsheets.



Just you and your pen/pencil and two pieces of paper...... How about no pens or paper either, no player lists, no co-managers.



Just 15 owners, draft moderators, a big board, some chairs and drinks. Wouldn't even need a table. The rainman league. Might be fun.
[/QUOTE]450 players by memory alone?

With drinks???



There's little doubt I'd finish last in this league..... :confused:



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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:29 pm

I am in a league exactly like this. We almost went one step further and had no big board, just a person recording everybody's picks on a laptop.

It is madness looking at the cheatsheets afterwards and seeing how many players were missed.

It is entertaining to see a Jason Kendall pick followed by an AJ Pierzynski pick.
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Post by Glenneration X » Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:32 pm

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

I am in a league exactly like this. We almost went one step further and had no big board, just a person recording everybody's picks on a laptop.

It is madness looking at the cheatsheets afterwards and seeing how many players were missed.

It is entertaining to see a Jason Kendall pick followed by an AJ Pierzynski pick. That first week's FAAB must be very interesting.

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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:38 pm

It's a home league. Yahoo type rules. 12th team (last team to draft) gets first pick. We draw out of a hat and nobody is unhappy to be the last pick.

We decided to go with a Big Board due to problems that would exist with too many illegal rosters.
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