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Last year, I took Santana at 1.8 and Sabathia at 2.8. I was then lucky to get Mauer in the 4th round and a bunch of other veteran hitters who gave me good production. I was also extremely lucky to get Zobrist in round 31. This was in one of the 45 round leagues.
I finished tied for 1st.
My theory was and is that you can win with good pitching.
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Originally posted by ToddZ:
Not for nothing, but Yoohoo already has a place in rotisserie lore as a "Yoohoo shower" was the recommended reward for winning one's league as proposed by the Founding Fathers.An excerpt for the Old Timers:
Official Constitution of Rotisserie League Baseball
XX. YOO-HOO
To consecrate the bond of friendship that unites all Rotisserie League owners in their pursuit of the pennant, to symbolize the eternal verities and values of the greatest game for baseball fans since baseball, and to soak the head of the League champion with a sticky brown substance before colleagues and friends duly assembled, the Yoo-Hoo Ceremony is hereby ordained as the culminating event of the baseball season. Each year, at the awards ceremony and banquet, the owner of the championship team shall have a bottle of Yoo-Hoo poured over his or her head by the preceding year's pennant-winner (or by the most recent victor, in the event of successive championships). The Yoo-Hoo Ceremony shall be performed with the dignity and solemnity appropriate to the occasion.
NOTE: If Yoo-Hoo, the chocolate-flavored beverage once endorsed by soft drink connoisssur Yogi Berra, is not available in your part of the country, move.
Not for nothing, but Yoohoo already has a place in rotisserie lore as a "Yoohoo shower" was the recommended reward for winning one's league as proposed by the Founding Fathers.An excerpt for the Old Timers:
Official Constitution of Rotisserie League Baseball
XX. YOO-HOO
To consecrate the bond of friendship that unites all Rotisserie League owners in their pursuit of the pennant, to symbolize the eternal verities and values of the greatest game for baseball fans since baseball, and to soak the head of the League champion with a sticky brown substance before colleagues and friends duly assembled, the Yoo-Hoo Ceremony is hereby ordained as the culminating event of the baseball season. Each year, at the awards ceremony and banquet, the owner of the championship team shall have a bottle of Yoo-Hoo poured over his or her head by the preceding year's pennant-winner (or by the most recent victor, in the event of successive championships). The Yoo-Hoo Ceremony shall be performed with the dignity and solemnity appropriate to the occasion.
NOTE: If Yoo-Hoo, the chocolate-flavored beverage once endorsed by soft drink connoisssur Yogi Berra, is not available in your part of the country, move.
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Originally posted by TOXIC ASSETS:
And to the guy who said Mauer will be a bust....what would lead you to believe that? His numbers last year were put up in 5/6 of a season when you consider that he missed the first month. His numbers will probably go down a little, but he should still be worth the # 5 pick, especially when you consider scarcity at the C position. And I quote "His numbers last year were put up in 5/6 of a season when you consider that he missed the first month." Too risky (injuries) and catchers generally do not bring power to the equation. To boot, Mauer TRIPLED his HR number in 2009 in a few fewer at bats than the previous year. Some of that power boost could be maturity for sure, but not triple. Would you still be happy in the first round with Mauer at say 10-15 HR for the year? Mauer will give you great BA and his other counting stats except steals are good. However, even as good as last year was, he did not crack 100 R or RBI. He should be, due to his BA, the first catcher taken of the Big Three M's (Mauer, Martinez, and McCann), but just not the first round.
So, why don't I think he is first round material:
1) Catchers are risky.
2) Position scarcity is moot for the first four rounds or so.
3) I do not think the power jump will be repeated in 2010 and his regression to the mean will eat up all his first round appeal.
4) I am just not sure how many AB he will get and that impacts is counting stats. Mauer will get anywhere between 400 and 525 AB. That makes him too risky.
In his prime, I would have taken Piazza in the first round, but no other catcher is worth it. I could be all wet and I realize I am swimming against conventional wisdom. But that is just me. I felt the same way last year about Hamilton.
You take Mauer with my sincere wishes for good luck. Leaves more choices for me in the first round.
And to the guy who said Mauer will be a bust....what would lead you to believe that? His numbers last year were put up in 5/6 of a season when you consider that he missed the first month. His numbers will probably go down a little, but he should still be worth the # 5 pick, especially when you consider scarcity at the C position. And I quote "His numbers last year were put up in 5/6 of a season when you consider that he missed the first month." Too risky (injuries) and catchers generally do not bring power to the equation. To boot, Mauer TRIPLED his HR number in 2009 in a few fewer at bats than the previous year. Some of that power boost could be maturity for sure, but not triple. Would you still be happy in the first round with Mauer at say 10-15 HR for the year? Mauer will give you great BA and his other counting stats except steals are good. However, even as good as last year was, he did not crack 100 R or RBI. He should be, due to his BA, the first catcher taken of the Big Three M's (Mauer, Martinez, and McCann), but just not the first round.
So, why don't I think he is first round material:
1) Catchers are risky.
2) Position scarcity is moot for the first four rounds or so.
3) I do not think the power jump will be repeated in 2010 and his regression to the mean will eat up all his first round appeal.
4) I am just not sure how many AB he will get and that impacts is counting stats. Mauer will get anywhere between 400 and 525 AB. That makes him too risky.
In his prime, I would have taken Piazza in the first round, but no other catcher is worth it. I could be all wet and I realize I am swimming against conventional wisdom. But that is just me. I felt the same way last year about Hamilton.
You take Mauer with my sincere wishes for good luck. Leaves more choices for me in the first round.
Baseball is a slow, boring, complex, cerebral game that doesn't lend itself to histrionics. You 'take in' a baseball game, something odd to say about a football or basketball game, with the clock running and the bodies flying.
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Originally posted by Edwards Kings:
2) Position scarcity is moot for the first four rounds or so.
i don't agree with this. in this case it all depends on which catcher you can get in the later round.
2) Position scarcity is moot for the first four rounds or so.
i don't agree with this. in this case it all depends on which catcher you can get in the later round.
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Originally posted by Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:
2) Position scarcity is moot for the first four rounds or so.
i don't agree with this. in this case it all depends on which catcher you can get in the later round. [/QUOTE]Actually, that is exactly my point. Who can you get in a later but still be premium players, say fifth round or after?
Last year there were three catchers taken (using the ADP) in the first four rounds...McCann, Soto, and Martin. Two were flops (risks of the position, maybe?), especially based on their draft position. V-Mart went in the fifth and Mauer the end of the seventh. There were five second basemen taken in the first four rounds, but guys like Cano, Hill, even Uggla, Hudson, and Lopez were taken in some cases many, many rounds later.
Forget positon scarcity early (ok, sure guys like H-Ram and Utley give you production AND scarcity, but they are truly the exception to the rule). Get the most production you can out of those first, core picks. I think one of the most accurate truisms we have written on these boards in the past is you cannot win this thing with your early picks, but you can darn sure lose it.
quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:
2) Position scarcity is moot for the first four rounds or so.
i don't agree with this. in this case it all depends on which catcher you can get in the later round. [/QUOTE]Actually, that is exactly my point. Who can you get in a later but still be premium players, say fifth round or after?
Last year there were three catchers taken (using the ADP) in the first four rounds...McCann, Soto, and Martin. Two were flops (risks of the position, maybe?), especially based on their draft position. V-Mart went in the fifth and Mauer the end of the seventh. There were five second basemen taken in the first four rounds, but guys like Cano, Hill, even Uggla, Hudson, and Lopez were taken in some cases many, many rounds later.
Forget positon scarcity early (ok, sure guys like H-Ram and Utley give you production AND scarcity, but they are truly the exception to the rule). Get the most production you can out of those first, core picks. I think one of the most accurate truisms we have written on these boards in the past is you cannot win this thing with your early picks, but you can darn sure lose it.
Baseball is a slow, boring, complex, cerebral game that doesn't lend itself to histrionics. You 'take in' a baseball game, something odd to say about a football or basketball game, with the clock running and the bodies flying.
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totally agree wayne
exactly why i won't take a catcher or pitcher in the first few rounds.
get your core offense first, with the least injury risk.
bill
exactly why i won't take a catcher or pitcher in the first few rounds.
get your core offense first, with the least injury risk.
bill
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Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:
totally agree wayne
exactly why i won't take a catcher or pitcher in the first few rounds.
get your core offense first, with the least injury risk.
bill Be advised....Shandler hasn't won in awhile.
totally agree wayne
exactly why i won't take a catcher or pitcher in the first few rounds.
get your core offense first, with the least injury risk.
bill Be advised....Shandler hasn't won in awhile.
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Originally posted by TOXIC ASSETS:
The steal of this draft is the team that got Johan Santana at the 57th pick. A close second is the team that got Sabathia at 41.
Both those guys should be top 10 picks.
And to the guy who said Mauer will be a bust....what would lead you to believe that? His numbers last year were put up in 5/6 of a season when you consider that he missed the first month. His numbers will probably go down a little, but he should still be worth the # 5 pick, especially when you consider scarcity at the C position. Johan and CC top 10 picks? I hope I have a few guys like you in my leagues.
The steal of this draft is the team that got Johan Santana at the 57th pick. A close second is the team that got Sabathia at 41.
Both those guys should be top 10 picks.
And to the guy who said Mauer will be a bust....what would lead you to believe that? His numbers last year were put up in 5/6 of a season when you consider that he missed the first month. His numbers will probably go down a little, but he should still be worth the # 5 pick, especially when you consider scarcity at the C position. Johan and CC top 10 picks? I hope I have a few guys like you in my leagues.
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Originally posted by Edwards Kings:
Actually, that is exactly my point. Who can you get in a later but still be premium players, say fifth round or after?
so how can you say "positional scarcity is MOOT for the first four rounds or so"? you are obviously considering positional scarcity to make your point!!!
Actually, that is exactly my point. Who can you get in a later but still be premium players, say fifth round or after?
so how can you say "positional scarcity is MOOT for the first four rounds or so"? you are obviously considering positional scarcity to make your point!!!
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Originally posted by Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:
Actually, that is exactly my point. Who can you get in a later but still be premium players, say fifth round or after?
so how can you say "positional scarcity is MOOT for the first four rounds or so"? you are obviously considering positional scarcity to make your point!!! [/QUOTE]Yes, I am, but more precisely I am using positional scarcity as a counter-point for the early rounds. Surely you have to consider position because you cannot leave the draft without a certain number of pitchers, catchers, outfielders, MI, CM, etc. But in the earlier rounds, I just it is more important to lock down your core production. Don't take a player at a thin position and leave 10-15 HR, 10-20 RBI, 10-20 Runs or whatever on the table.
If you can get the production AND satisfy your needs (I like for my early round picks to exceed in at least four categories), then fine. I myself have picked Tejada (2004) and Utley (2008) who were fine. But I chose them first because they would (I thought) produce.
Mauer, other than BA, I do not think can be counted on to replicate his 2009, especially in power.
quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:
Actually, that is exactly my point. Who can you get in a later but still be premium players, say fifth round or after?
so how can you say "positional scarcity is MOOT for the first four rounds or so"? you are obviously considering positional scarcity to make your point!!!
[/QUOTE]Yes, I am, but more precisely I am using positional scarcity as a counter-point for the early rounds. Surely you have to consider position because you cannot leave the draft without a certain number of pitchers, catchers, outfielders, MI, CM, etc. But in the earlier rounds, I just it is more important to lock down your core production. Don't take a player at a thin position and leave 10-15 HR, 10-20 RBI, 10-20 Runs or whatever on the table.If you can get the production AND satisfy your needs (I like for my early round picks to exceed in at least four categories), then fine. I myself have picked Tejada (2004) and Utley (2008) who were fine. But I chose them first because they would (I thought) produce.
Mauer, other than BA, I do not think can be counted on to replicate his 2009, especially in power.
Baseball is a slow, boring, complex, cerebral game that doesn't lend itself to histrionics. You 'take in' a baseball game, something odd to say about a football or basketball game, with the clock running and the bodies flying.
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NFBC Slow Draft Results: First Six Rounds
Let's showcase another NFBC Slow Draft league and whet the appetites of our NFBC die-hards who continue to look for some morsels during this cold, long winter. We'll provide three more draft results this week from our magazine leagues, so stay tuned for those.
Anyway, here's another listing from a recent NFBC Slow draft:
First Round:
1. Albert Pujols
2. Hanley Ramirez
3. Matt Kemp
4. Alex Rodriguez
5. Chase Utley
6. Ryan Braun
7. Joe Mauer
8. Prince Fielder
9. Mark Teixeira
10. Troy Tulowitzki
11. Ryan Howard
12. Miguel Cabrera
13. Tim Lincecum
14. Evan Longoria
15. David Wright
Second Round:
16. Ian Kinsler
17. Carl Crawford
18. Dustin Pedroia
19. Jimmy Rollins
20. Jacoby Ellsbury
21. Victor Martinez
22. Brian Roberts
23. Jose Reyes
24. Roy Halladay
25. Adrian Gonzalez
26. Matt Holliday
27. Joey Votto
28. Mark Reynolds
29. Grady Sizemore
30. Justin Upton
Third Round
31. Kevin Youkilis
32. Justin Morneau
33. Ichiro Suzuki
34. Jayson Werth
35. Jason Bay
36. Pablo Sandoval
37. Felix Hernandez
38. Brandon Phillips
39. Ben Zobrist
40. CC Sabathia
41. Brian McCann
42. Ryan Zimmerman
43. Zack Greinke
44. Robinson Cano
45. Johan Santana
Fourth Round:
46. Derek Jeter
47. Adam Lind
48. Curtis Granderson
49. Dan Haren
50. Adam Wainwright
51. Kendry Morales
52. Jon Lester
53. B.J. Upton
54. Joe Nathan
55. Carlos Beltran
56. Jake Peavy
57. Justin Verlander
58. Torii Hunter
59. Aramis Ramirez
60. Adam Dunn
Fifth Round:
61. Aaron Hill
62. Josh Hamilton
63. Cliff Lee
64. Chris Carpenter
65. Derrek Lee
66. Andre Ethier
67. Tommy Hanson
68. Gordon Beckham
69. Shin-Soo Choo
70. Lance Berkman
71. Manny Ramirez
72. Nelson Cruz
73. Carlos Lee
74. Billy Butler
75. Nick Markakis
Sixth Round:
76. Jonathan Papelbon
77. Jonathan Broxton
78. Mariano Rivera
79. Hunter Pence
80. Josh Johnson
81. Chone Figgins
82. Javier Vazquez
83. Carlos Quentin
84. Shane Victorino
85. Matt Wieters
86. Josh Beckett
87. Francisco Rodriguez
88. Clayton Kershaw
89. Adam Jones
90. Cole Hamels
Thoughts?
Anyway, here's another listing from a recent NFBC Slow draft:
First Round:
1. Albert Pujols
2. Hanley Ramirez
3. Matt Kemp
4. Alex Rodriguez
5. Chase Utley
6. Ryan Braun
7. Joe Mauer
8. Prince Fielder
9. Mark Teixeira
10. Troy Tulowitzki
11. Ryan Howard
12. Miguel Cabrera
13. Tim Lincecum
14. Evan Longoria
15. David Wright
Second Round:
16. Ian Kinsler
17. Carl Crawford
18. Dustin Pedroia
19. Jimmy Rollins
20. Jacoby Ellsbury
21. Victor Martinez
22. Brian Roberts
23. Jose Reyes
24. Roy Halladay
25. Adrian Gonzalez
26. Matt Holliday
27. Joey Votto
28. Mark Reynolds
29. Grady Sizemore
30. Justin Upton
Third Round
31. Kevin Youkilis
32. Justin Morneau
33. Ichiro Suzuki
34. Jayson Werth
35. Jason Bay
36. Pablo Sandoval
37. Felix Hernandez
38. Brandon Phillips
39. Ben Zobrist
40. CC Sabathia
41. Brian McCann
42. Ryan Zimmerman
43. Zack Greinke
44. Robinson Cano
45. Johan Santana
Fourth Round:
46. Derek Jeter
47. Adam Lind
48. Curtis Granderson
49. Dan Haren
50. Adam Wainwright
51. Kendry Morales
52. Jon Lester
53. B.J. Upton
54. Joe Nathan
55. Carlos Beltran
56. Jake Peavy
57. Justin Verlander
58. Torii Hunter
59. Aramis Ramirez
60. Adam Dunn
Fifth Round:
61. Aaron Hill
62. Josh Hamilton
63. Cliff Lee
64. Chris Carpenter
65. Derrek Lee
66. Andre Ethier
67. Tommy Hanson
68. Gordon Beckham
69. Shin-Soo Choo
70. Lance Berkman
71. Manny Ramirez
72. Nelson Cruz
73. Carlos Lee
74. Billy Butler
75. Nick Markakis
Sixth Round:
76. Jonathan Papelbon
77. Jonathan Broxton
78. Mariano Rivera
79. Hunter Pence
80. Josh Johnson
81. Chone Figgins
82. Javier Vazquez
83. Carlos Quentin
84. Shane Victorino
85. Matt Wieters
86. Josh Beckett
87. Francisco Rodriguez
88. Clayton Kershaw
89. Adam Jones
90. Cole Hamels
Thoughts?
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Here's another NFBC Slow Draft result from the first six rounds:
First Round:
1. Albert Pujols
2. Hanley Ramirez
3. Ryan Braun
4. Alex Rodriguez
5. Evan Longoria
6. Chase Utley
7. Matt Kemp
8. Carl Crawford
9. Joe Mauer
10. Mark Teixeira
11. Miguel Cabrera
12. Prince Fielder
13. Ryan Howard
14. David Wright
15. Ian Kinsler
Second Round:
16. Troy Tulowitzki
17. Jacoby Ellsbury
18. Jose Reyes
19. Jimmy Rollins
20. Brandon Phillips
21. Justin Upton
22. Victor Martinez
23. Roy Halladay
24. Tim Lincecum
25. Joey Votto
26. Adrian Gonzalez
27. Grady Sizemore
28. Dustin Pedroia
29. Mark Reynolds
30. Felix Hernandez
Third Round:
31. CC Sabathia
32. Matt Holliday
33. Kevin Youkilis
34. Pablo Sandoval
35. Brian Roberts
36. Ryan Zimmerman
37. Robinson Cano
38. Ichiro Suzuki
39. B.J. Upton
40. Adam Lind
41. Brian McCann
42. Dan Haren
43. Johan Santana
44. Justin Morneau
45. Aramis Ramirez
Fourth Round:
46. Curtis Granderson
47. Carlos Beltran
48. Cliff Lee
49. Jason Bay
50. Derek Jeter
51. Nick Markakis
52. Jayson Werth
53. Chris Carpenter
54. Zack Greinke
55. Justin Verlander
56. Michael Bourn
57. Ben Zobrist
58. Aaron Hill
59. Kendry Morales
60. Torii Hunter
Fifth Round:
61. Nelson Cruz
62. Adam Dunn
63. Chone Figgins
64. Javier Vazquez
65. Andre Ethier
66. Jon Lester
67. Lance Berkman
68. Jonathan Papelbon
69. Adam Wainwright
70. Jose Lopez
71. Carlos Lee
72. Josh Hamilton
73. Manny Ramirez
74. Matt Wieters
75. Derrek Lee
Sixth Round:
76. Alfonso Soriano
77. Jonathan Broxton
78. Mariano Rivera
79. Michael Young
80. Francisco Rodriguez
81. Gordon Beckham
82. Billy Butler
83. Joe Nathan
84. Shin-Soo Choo
85. Shane Victorino
86. Hunter Pence
87. Joakim Soria
88. Jake Peavy
89. Josh Johnson
90. Alexei Ramirez
Thoughts?
First Round:
1. Albert Pujols
2. Hanley Ramirez
3. Ryan Braun
4. Alex Rodriguez
5. Evan Longoria
6. Chase Utley
7. Matt Kemp
8. Carl Crawford
9. Joe Mauer
10. Mark Teixeira
11. Miguel Cabrera
12. Prince Fielder
13. Ryan Howard
14. David Wright
15. Ian Kinsler
Second Round:
16. Troy Tulowitzki
17. Jacoby Ellsbury
18. Jose Reyes
19. Jimmy Rollins
20. Brandon Phillips
21. Justin Upton
22. Victor Martinez
23. Roy Halladay
24. Tim Lincecum
25. Joey Votto
26. Adrian Gonzalez
27. Grady Sizemore
28. Dustin Pedroia
29. Mark Reynolds
30. Felix Hernandez
Third Round:
31. CC Sabathia
32. Matt Holliday
33. Kevin Youkilis
34. Pablo Sandoval
35. Brian Roberts
36. Ryan Zimmerman
37. Robinson Cano
38. Ichiro Suzuki
39. B.J. Upton
40. Adam Lind
41. Brian McCann
42. Dan Haren
43. Johan Santana
44. Justin Morneau
45. Aramis Ramirez
Fourth Round:
46. Curtis Granderson
47. Carlos Beltran
48. Cliff Lee
49. Jason Bay
50. Derek Jeter
51. Nick Markakis
52. Jayson Werth
53. Chris Carpenter
54. Zack Greinke
55. Justin Verlander
56. Michael Bourn
57. Ben Zobrist
58. Aaron Hill
59. Kendry Morales
60. Torii Hunter
Fifth Round:
61. Nelson Cruz
62. Adam Dunn
63. Chone Figgins
64. Javier Vazquez
65. Andre Ethier
66. Jon Lester
67. Lance Berkman
68. Jonathan Papelbon
69. Adam Wainwright
70. Jose Lopez
71. Carlos Lee
72. Josh Hamilton
73. Manny Ramirez
74. Matt Wieters
75. Derrek Lee
Sixth Round:
76. Alfonso Soriano
77. Jonathan Broxton
78. Mariano Rivera
79. Michael Young
80. Francisco Rodriguez
81. Gordon Beckham
82. Billy Butler
83. Joe Nathan
84. Shin-Soo Choo
85. Shane Victorino
86. Hunter Pence
87. Joakim Soria
88. Jake Peavy
89. Josh Johnson
90. Alexei Ramirez
Thoughts?
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NFBC Slow Draft Results: First Six Rounds
Okay, it's been two weeks since I posted any NFBC Slow Draft results and we've had a bunch of them going on since then. Let's whet the whistles of our NFBC members by posting a few more results today. I'll mix them up so that nobody can identify the leagues or the owners, but enjoy the first six rounds:
First Round:
1. Albert Pujols
2. Hanley Ramirez
3. Alex Rodriguez
4. Evan Longoria
5. Chase Utley
6. Matt Kemp
7. Ryan Braun
8. Joe Mauer
9. Troy Tulowitzki
10. Prince Fielder
11. Miguel Cabrera
12. Tim Lincecum
13. Matt Holliday
14. Mark Teixeira
15. Carl Crawford
Second Round:
16. Ryan Howard
17. Ian Kinsler
18. Joey Votto
19. Jacoby Ellsbury
20. David Wright
21. Jimmy Rollins
22. Justin Upton
23. Grady Sizemore
24. Brandon Phillips
25. Adrian Gonzalez
26. Mark Reynolds
27. Victor Martinez
28. Jose Reyes
29. Dustin Pedroia
30. Kevin Youkilis
Third Round:
31. Jayson Werth
32. Justin Morneau
33. Pablo Sandoval
34. B.J. Upton
35. Roy Halladay
36. Ryan Zimmerman
37. Zack Greinke
38. Ben Zobrist
39. Adam Lind
40. Brian Roberts
41. Brian McCann
42. Felix Hernandez
43. CC Sabathia
44. Kendry Morales
45. Robinson Cano
Fourth Round:
46. Aramis Ramirez
47. Ichiro Suzuki
48. Dan Haren
49. Justin Verlander
50. Derek Jeter
51. Adam Wainwright
52. Adam Dunn
53. Lance Berkman
54. Nelson Cruz
55. Curtis Granderson
56. Nick Markakis
57. Aaron Hill
58. Jason Bay
59. Jon Lester
60. Andre Ethier
Fifth Round:
61. Bobby Abreu
62. Joe Nathan
63. Shin-Soo Choo
64. Andrew McCutchen
65. Derrek Lee
66. Johan Santana
67. Billy Butler
68. Josh Hamilton
69. Jonathan Broxton
70. Carlos Beltran
71. Mariano Rivera
72. Carlos Lee
73. Manny Ramirez
74. Javier Vazquez
75. Josh Beckett
Sixth Round:
76. Josh Johnson
77. Gordon Beckham
78. Tommy Hanson
79. Torii Hunter
80. Chris Carpenter
81. Jake Peavy
82. Cliff Lee
83. Shane Victorino
84. Michael Young
85. Michael Bourn
86. Adam Jones
87. Yovani Gallardo
88. Jonathan Papelbon
89. Carlos Pena
90. Matt Cain
Thoughts?
First Round:
1. Albert Pujols
2. Hanley Ramirez
3. Alex Rodriguez
4. Evan Longoria
5. Chase Utley
6. Matt Kemp
7. Ryan Braun
8. Joe Mauer
9. Troy Tulowitzki
10. Prince Fielder
11. Miguel Cabrera
12. Tim Lincecum
13. Matt Holliday
14. Mark Teixeira
15. Carl Crawford
Second Round:
16. Ryan Howard
17. Ian Kinsler
18. Joey Votto
19. Jacoby Ellsbury
20. David Wright
21. Jimmy Rollins
22. Justin Upton
23. Grady Sizemore
24. Brandon Phillips
25. Adrian Gonzalez
26. Mark Reynolds
27. Victor Martinez
28. Jose Reyes
29. Dustin Pedroia
30. Kevin Youkilis
Third Round:
31. Jayson Werth
32. Justin Morneau
33. Pablo Sandoval
34. B.J. Upton
35. Roy Halladay
36. Ryan Zimmerman
37. Zack Greinke
38. Ben Zobrist
39. Adam Lind
40. Brian Roberts
41. Brian McCann
42. Felix Hernandez
43. CC Sabathia
44. Kendry Morales
45. Robinson Cano
Fourth Round:
46. Aramis Ramirez
47. Ichiro Suzuki
48. Dan Haren
49. Justin Verlander
50. Derek Jeter
51. Adam Wainwright
52. Adam Dunn
53. Lance Berkman
54. Nelson Cruz
55. Curtis Granderson
56. Nick Markakis
57. Aaron Hill
58. Jason Bay
59. Jon Lester
60. Andre Ethier
Fifth Round:
61. Bobby Abreu
62. Joe Nathan
63. Shin-Soo Choo
64. Andrew McCutchen
65. Derrek Lee
66. Johan Santana
67. Billy Butler
68. Josh Hamilton
69. Jonathan Broxton
70. Carlos Beltran
71. Mariano Rivera
72. Carlos Lee
73. Manny Ramirez
74. Javier Vazquez
75. Josh Beckett
Sixth Round:
76. Josh Johnson
77. Gordon Beckham
78. Tommy Hanson
79. Torii Hunter
80. Chris Carpenter
81. Jake Peavy
82. Cliff Lee
83. Shane Victorino
84. Michael Young
85. Michael Bourn
86. Adam Jones
87. Yovani Gallardo
88. Jonathan Papelbon
89. Carlos Pena
90. Matt Cain
Thoughts?
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NFBC Slow Draft Results: First Six Rounds
Here's another Slow Draft result:
First Round:
1. Albert Pujols
2. Hanley Ramirez
3. Alex Rodriguez
4. Ryan Braun
5. Matt Kemp
6. Chase Utley
7. Prince Fielder
8. Miguel Cabrera
9. Mark Teixeira
10. Evan Longoria
11. Carl Crawford
12. Troy Tulowitzki
13. Joe Mauer
14. Ian Kinsler
15. Jose Reyes
Second Round:
16. Victor Martinez
17. Jimmy Rollins
18. Ryan Howard
19. Jacoby Ellsbury
20. David Wright
21. Grady Sizemore
22. Matt Holliday
23. Tim Lincecum
24. Justin Upton
25. Roy Halladay
26. Joey Votto
27. Mark Reynolds
28. Adrian Gonzalez
29. Brandon Phillips
30. Jason Bay
Third Round:
31. Felix Hernandez
32. Kevin Youkilis
33. Zack Greinke
34. CC Sabathia
35. Ryan Zimmerman
36. Brian McCann
37. Justin Verlander
38. Dustin Pedroia
39. Dan Haren
40. Pablo Sandoval
41. Adam Lind
42. Ben Zobrist
43. Brian Roberts
44. Jayson Werth
45. Justin Morneau
Fourth Round:
46. Robinson Cano
47. Johan Santana
48. Aramis Ramirez
49. Kenry Morales
50. Derek Jeter
51. Ichiro Suzuki
52. Adam Wainwright
53. B.J. Upton
54. Adam Dunn
55. Curtis Granderson
56. Jon Lester
57. Lance Berkman
58. Andrew McCutchen
59. Carlos Lee
60. Nick Markakis
Fifth Round:
61. Josh Hamilton
62. Derrek Lee
63. Bobby Abreu
64. Aaron Hill
65. Tommy Hanson
66. Javier Vazquez
67. Jonathan Broxton
68. Nelson Cruz
69. Andre Ethier
70. Joe Nathan
71. Billy Butler
72. Gordon Beckham
73. Shin-Soo Choo
74. Jonathan Papelbon
75. Mariano Rivera
Sixth Round:
76. Chone Figgins
77. Carlos Pena
78. Adam Jones
79. Jake Peavy
80. Cliff Lee
81. Matt Wieters
82. Shane Victorino
83. Michael Young
84. Michael Bourn
85. Manny Ramirez
86. Joakim Soria
87. Nate McLouth
88. Josh Johnson
89. Chris Carpenter
90. Hunter Pence
Thoughts?
First Round:
1. Albert Pujols
2. Hanley Ramirez
3. Alex Rodriguez
4. Ryan Braun
5. Matt Kemp
6. Chase Utley
7. Prince Fielder
8. Miguel Cabrera
9. Mark Teixeira
10. Evan Longoria
11. Carl Crawford
12. Troy Tulowitzki
13. Joe Mauer
14. Ian Kinsler
15. Jose Reyes
Second Round:
16. Victor Martinez
17. Jimmy Rollins
18. Ryan Howard
19. Jacoby Ellsbury
20. David Wright
21. Grady Sizemore
22. Matt Holliday
23. Tim Lincecum
24. Justin Upton
25. Roy Halladay
26. Joey Votto
27. Mark Reynolds
28. Adrian Gonzalez
29. Brandon Phillips
30. Jason Bay
Third Round:
31. Felix Hernandez
32. Kevin Youkilis
33. Zack Greinke
34. CC Sabathia
35. Ryan Zimmerman
36. Brian McCann
37. Justin Verlander
38. Dustin Pedroia
39. Dan Haren
40. Pablo Sandoval
41. Adam Lind
42. Ben Zobrist
43. Brian Roberts
44. Jayson Werth
45. Justin Morneau
Fourth Round:
46. Robinson Cano
47. Johan Santana
48. Aramis Ramirez
49. Kenry Morales
50. Derek Jeter
51. Ichiro Suzuki
52. Adam Wainwright
53. B.J. Upton
54. Adam Dunn
55. Curtis Granderson
56. Jon Lester
57. Lance Berkman
58. Andrew McCutchen
59. Carlos Lee
60. Nick Markakis
Fifth Round:
61. Josh Hamilton
62. Derrek Lee
63. Bobby Abreu
64. Aaron Hill
65. Tommy Hanson
66. Javier Vazquez
67. Jonathan Broxton
68. Nelson Cruz
69. Andre Ethier
70. Joe Nathan
71. Billy Butler
72. Gordon Beckham
73. Shin-Soo Choo
74. Jonathan Papelbon
75. Mariano Rivera
Sixth Round:
76. Chone Figgins
77. Carlos Pena
78. Adam Jones
79. Jake Peavy
80. Cliff Lee
81. Matt Wieters
82. Shane Victorino
83. Michael Young
84. Michael Bourn
85. Manny Ramirez
86. Joakim Soria
87. Nate McLouth
88. Josh Johnson
89. Chris Carpenter
90. Hunter Pence
Thoughts?
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NFBC Slow Draft Results: First Six Rounds
Okay, here's one more result from a recent NFBC Slow Draft pay league to whet your appetite this week:
First Round:
1. Albert Pujols
2. Hanley Ramirez
3. Ryan Braun
4. Alex Rodriguez
5. Chase Utley
6. Matt Kemp
7. David Wright
8. Ryan Howard
9. Prince Fielder
10. Mark Teixeira
11. Carl Crawford
12. Joe Mauer
13. Evan Longoria
14. Miguel Cabrera
15. Ian Kinsler
Second Round:
16. Jacoby Ellsbury
17. Jimmy Rollins
18. Troy Tulowitzki
19. Tim Lincecum
20. Matt Holliday
21. Pablo Sandoval
22. Grady Sizemore
23. Victor Martinez
24. Adrian Gonzalez
25. Justin Upton
26. Mark Reynolds
27. Kevin Youkilis
28. Brandon Phillips
29. Joey Votto
30. Ryan Zimmerman
Third Round:
31. Dustin Pedroia
32. Aramis Ramirez
33. Brian Roberts
34. Jayson Werth
35. Jose Reyes
36. Nelson Cruz
37. Roy Halladay
38. Justin Morneau
39. Felix Hernandez
40. CC Sabathia
41. Brian McCann
42. Derek Jeter
43. Dan Haren
44. Lance Berkman
45. Adam Dunn
Fourth Round:
46. Ichiro Suzuki
47. B.J. Upton
48. Robinson Cano
49. Kendry Morales
50. Zack Greinke
51. Bobby Abreu
52. Justin Verlander
53. Ben Zobrist
54. Curtis Granderson
55. Gordon Beckham
56. Adam Lind
57. Johan Santana
58. Jason Bay
59. Jon Lester
60. Adam Wainwright
Fifth Round:
61. Andre Ethier
62. Chris Carpenter
63. Cliff Lee
64. Nick Markakis
65. Andrew McCutchen
66. Alexei Ramirez
67. Adam Jones
68. Aaron Hill
69. Jose Lopez
70. Jonathan Papelbon
71. Derrek Lee
72. Carlos Beltran
73. Jonathan Broxton
74. Carlos Pena
75. Matt Cain
Sixth Round:
76. Carlos Lee
77. Juan Pierre
78. Shin-Soo Choo
79. Tommy Hanson
80. Jake Peavy
81. Torii Hunter
82. Joe Nathan
83. Mariano Rivera
84. Hunter Pence
85. Josh Beckett
86. Joakim Soria
87. Shane Victorino
88. Billy Butler
89. Javier Vazquez
90. Josh Johnson
Thoughts?
First Round:
1. Albert Pujols
2. Hanley Ramirez
3. Ryan Braun
4. Alex Rodriguez
5. Chase Utley
6. Matt Kemp
7. David Wright
8. Ryan Howard
9. Prince Fielder
10. Mark Teixeira
11. Carl Crawford
12. Joe Mauer
13. Evan Longoria
14. Miguel Cabrera
15. Ian Kinsler
Second Round:
16. Jacoby Ellsbury
17. Jimmy Rollins
18. Troy Tulowitzki
19. Tim Lincecum
20. Matt Holliday
21. Pablo Sandoval
22. Grady Sizemore
23. Victor Martinez
24. Adrian Gonzalez
25. Justin Upton
26. Mark Reynolds
27. Kevin Youkilis
28. Brandon Phillips
29. Joey Votto
30. Ryan Zimmerman
Third Round:
31. Dustin Pedroia
32. Aramis Ramirez
33. Brian Roberts
34. Jayson Werth
35. Jose Reyes
36. Nelson Cruz
37. Roy Halladay
38. Justin Morneau
39. Felix Hernandez
40. CC Sabathia
41. Brian McCann
42. Derek Jeter
43. Dan Haren
44. Lance Berkman
45. Adam Dunn
Fourth Round:
46. Ichiro Suzuki
47. B.J. Upton
48. Robinson Cano
49. Kendry Morales
50. Zack Greinke
51. Bobby Abreu
52. Justin Verlander
53. Ben Zobrist
54. Curtis Granderson
55. Gordon Beckham
56. Adam Lind
57. Johan Santana
58. Jason Bay
59. Jon Lester
60. Adam Wainwright
Fifth Round:
61. Andre Ethier
62. Chris Carpenter
63. Cliff Lee
64. Nick Markakis
65. Andrew McCutchen
66. Alexei Ramirez
67. Adam Jones
68. Aaron Hill
69. Jose Lopez
70. Jonathan Papelbon
71. Derrek Lee
72. Carlos Beltran
73. Jonathan Broxton
74. Carlos Pena
75. Matt Cain
Sixth Round:
76. Carlos Lee
77. Juan Pierre
78. Shin-Soo Choo
79. Tommy Hanson
80. Jake Peavy
81. Torii Hunter
82. Joe Nathan
83. Mariano Rivera
84. Hunter Pence
85. Josh Beckett
86. Joakim Soria
87. Shane Victorino
88. Billy Butler
89. Javier Vazquez
90. Josh Johnson
Thoughts?
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NFBC Slow Draft Results: First Six Rounds
Here's one more to keep folks happy and excited to join one of these Slow Drafts themselves:
First Round:
1. Albert Pujols
2. Hanley Ramirez
3. Alex Rodriguez
4. Chase Utley
5. Ryan Braun
6. Matt Kemp
7. Carl Crawford
8. Mark Teixeira
9. Miguel Cabrera
10. CC Sabathia
11. Evan Longoria
12. Tim Lincecum
13. Prince Fielder
14. Ian Kinsler
15. Jacoby Ellsbury
Second Round:
16. Ryan Howard
17. Troy Tulowitzki
18. Joe Mauer
19. David Wright
20. Jimmy Rollins
21. Roy Halladay
22. Matt Holliday
23. Victor Martinez
24. Jose Reyes
25. Grady Sizemore
26. Brandon Phillips
27. Justin Upton
28. Kevin Youkilis
29. Felix Hernandez
30. Dustin Pedroia
Third Round:
31. Pablo Sandoval
32. Mark Reynolds
33. Ichiro Suzuki
34. Ryan Zimmerman
35. Derek Jeter
36. Joey Votto
37. Jason Bay
38. Adrian Gonzalez
39. Brian McCann
40. Carlos Lee
41. Brian Roberts
42. Robinson Cano
43. Jayson Werth
44. Curtis Granderson
45. B.J. Upton
Fourth Round
46. Aramis Ramirez
47. Kenry Morales
48. Zack Greinke
49. Dan Haren
50. Justin Verlander
51. Manny Ramirez
52. Ben Zobrist
53. Nelson Cruz
54. Adam Lind
55. Johan Santana
56. Justin Morneau
57. Jon Lester
58. Adam Wainwright
59. Jonathan Broxton
60. Andre Ethier
Fifth Round:
61. Andrew McCutchen
62. Josh Hamilton
63. Shane Victorino
64. Joe Nathan
65. Michael Young
66. Mariano Rivera
67. Cliff Lee
68. Bobby Abreu
69. Chris Carpenter
70. Raul Ibanez
71. Adam Dunn
72. Matt Wieters
73. Aaron Hill
74. Josh Johnson
75. Nick Markakis
Sixth Round:
76. Jonathan Papelbon
77. Francisco Rodriguez
78. Lance Berkman
79. Joakim Soria
80. Josh Beckett
81. Derrek Lee
82. Shin-Soo Choo
83. Yovani Gallardo
84. Tommy Hanson
85. Heath Bell
86. Wandy Rodriguez
87. Billy Butler
88. Ubaldo Jimenez
89. Carlos Gonzalez
90. Jake Peavy
Thoughts?
First Round:
1. Albert Pujols
2. Hanley Ramirez
3. Alex Rodriguez
4. Chase Utley
5. Ryan Braun
6. Matt Kemp
7. Carl Crawford
8. Mark Teixeira
9. Miguel Cabrera
10. CC Sabathia
11. Evan Longoria
12. Tim Lincecum
13. Prince Fielder
14. Ian Kinsler
15. Jacoby Ellsbury
Second Round:
16. Ryan Howard
17. Troy Tulowitzki
18. Joe Mauer
19. David Wright
20. Jimmy Rollins
21. Roy Halladay
22. Matt Holliday
23. Victor Martinez
24. Jose Reyes
25. Grady Sizemore
26. Brandon Phillips
27. Justin Upton
28. Kevin Youkilis
29. Felix Hernandez
30. Dustin Pedroia
Third Round:
31. Pablo Sandoval
32. Mark Reynolds
33. Ichiro Suzuki
34. Ryan Zimmerman
35. Derek Jeter
36. Joey Votto
37. Jason Bay
38. Adrian Gonzalez
39. Brian McCann
40. Carlos Lee
41. Brian Roberts
42. Robinson Cano
43. Jayson Werth
44. Curtis Granderson
45. B.J. Upton
Fourth Round
46. Aramis Ramirez
47. Kenry Morales
48. Zack Greinke
49. Dan Haren
50. Justin Verlander
51. Manny Ramirez
52. Ben Zobrist
53. Nelson Cruz
54. Adam Lind
55. Johan Santana
56. Justin Morneau
57. Jon Lester
58. Adam Wainwright
59. Jonathan Broxton
60. Andre Ethier
Fifth Round:
61. Andrew McCutchen
62. Josh Hamilton
63. Shane Victorino
64. Joe Nathan
65. Michael Young
66. Mariano Rivera
67. Cliff Lee
68. Bobby Abreu
69. Chris Carpenter
70. Raul Ibanez
71. Adam Dunn
72. Matt Wieters
73. Aaron Hill
74. Josh Johnson
75. Nick Markakis
Sixth Round:
76. Jonathan Papelbon
77. Francisco Rodriguez
78. Lance Berkman
79. Joakim Soria
80. Josh Beckett
81. Derrek Lee
82. Shin-Soo Choo
83. Yovani Gallardo
84. Tommy Hanson
85. Heath Bell
86. Wandy Rodriguez
87. Billy Butler
88. Ubaldo Jimenez
89. Carlos Gonzalez
90. Jake Peavy
Thoughts?
Greg Ambrosius
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General Manager, Consumer Fantasy Games at SportsHub Technologies
Twitter - @GregAmbrosius
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Twitter - @GregAmbrosius
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NFBC Slow Draft Results: First Six Rounds
CC ranged 10-43 on most recent group
Halladay 21-37
Lincecum 12-23
[ January 25, 2010, 10:58 AM: Message edited by: Head 2 Head ]
Halladay 21-37
Lincecum 12-23
[ January 25, 2010, 10:58 AM: Message edited by: Head 2 Head ]
"However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results." - Winston Churchill
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NFBC Slow Draft Results: First Six Rounds
Interesting draft strategy from the owner who took CC at #10. He took 2 pitchers and then took 4 older hitters (Lee, Ramirez, Ibanez, Lee).
I don't think it will work but it's nice to see someone thinking outside the box!
I don't think it will work but it's nice to see someone thinking outside the box!
NFBC Slow Draft Results: First Six Rounds
Sabathia, Halladay, Lee, Manny, Ibanez, and Lee?
Team name: AARP?
Team name: AARP?
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Wait! I never had the perfect draft!
NFBC Slow Draft Results: First Six Rounds
Originally posted by freddiezee:
Interesting draft strategy from the owner who took CC at #10. He took 2 pitchers and then took 4 older hitters (Lee, Ramirez, Ibanez, Lee).
I don't think it will work but it's nice to see someone thinking outside the box! eh, what box would that be ?
Interesting draft strategy from the owner who took CC at #10. He took 2 pitchers and then took 4 older hitters (Lee, Ramirez, Ibanez, Lee).
I don't think it will work but it's nice to see someone thinking outside the box! eh, what box would that be ?
NFBC Slow Draft Results: First Six Rounds
Two of the leagues Figgins isnt taken in the top 90 picks.Somebody got a nice 7th round value.
EDWARD J GILLIS
NFBC Slow Draft Results: First Six Rounds
Possibly.
It's tough taking a Judy at a corner. The power will have to be made up somewhere.
Who knows though, a Judy may have been taken at a corner in the first or second round...
It's tough taking a Judy at a corner. The power will have to be made up somewhere.
Who knows though, a Judy may have been taken at a corner in the first or second round...
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NFBC Slow Draft Results: First Six Rounds
This draft has been odd from the get go. Love them January DC's!!
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Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
Possibly.
It's tough taking a Judy at a corner. The power will have to be made up somewhere.
Who knows though, a Judy may have been taken at a corner in the first or second round... This can't be right!
[ January 25, 2010, 01:20 PM: Message edited by: CC's Desperados ]
Possibly.
It's tough taking a Judy at a corner. The power will have to be made up somewhere.
Who knows though, a Judy may have been taken at a corner in the first or second round...
This can't be right![ January 25, 2010, 01:20 PM: Message edited by: CC's Desperados ]
NFBC Slow Draft Results: First Six Rounds
Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
Possibly.
It's tough taking a Judy at a corner. The power will have to be made up somewhere.
Who knows though, a Judy may have been taken at a corner in the first or second round... This can't be right! [/QUOTE]
quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
Possibly.
It's tough taking a Judy at a corner. The power will have to be made up somewhere.
Who knows though, a Judy may have been taken at a corner in the first or second round...
This can't be right! [/QUOTE]On my tombstone-
Wait! I never had the perfect draft!
Wait! I never had the perfect draft!