John Ely

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon May 10, 2010 2:29 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

King of Queens, you are the best at researching. Can you offer assistance? The rule is pretty simple. If the player was never owned by an NFBC team in your league, and he's in the minors as of 7am Sunday morning, he can't be picked up. There's no gray area here.

Here's the specific rule:

12. Free Agents

Any player who is not on a team roster within your league and is on a major league roster or once was on an NFBC team in your league is considered a free agent for that league. Even players on the MLB disabled list are eligible to be picked up during the FAAB bidding process. The player pool is deemed closed of new free agents each Sunday at 7 AM ET before the FAAB bidding deadline. Participants should note that MLB unsigned veteran free agents at the time of Draft Day are eligible to be picked up or bid on in the NFBC Classic. [/QUOTE]John Ely was called up to the majors on April 28 and was available to be bid on for two weeks. He was legally available to be bid on all of this past week and was awarded properly to the right owners. There is nowhere in the rules that state we take out players mid-week when they get sent to the minors.

Glenn, the player pool is deemed closed of NEW free agents each Sunday morning as of 7 am ET. We are not eliminating already made bids of players who are legally in the free agent pool. Continually doing that would cause even more confusion to owners.

He was on an MLB roster the week before and this week, and available to everyone in every league. Everyone had and still does have a shot at him now that he's been called up. The rule worked as set up, giving everyone a fair shot at this prospect once he was called up and you can keep him on your reserve or active roster. Everyone knew his status of being in the majors for two weeks and getting sent back down. Everyone bid accordingly.

He was on a major league roster for two bidding periods. Get him.

baggler · Post by **baggler** » Mon May 10, 2010 5:01 am

I agree it's time to open the free agent pool to the minor leagues and it will stop most of the free agent pool problems...and if a player isn't listed who is in the minors we could always IM or text Greg or Tom to add them to the free agent pool.I wasn't one for hogging minor leaguers but if an owner wants to take a shot on a player in the minors why not? especially if they have fallen out of contention and is looking to make up some ground. I know it might be a data issue with all those players in the free agent pool but I think this would solve the problem of why does that team/league have a certain player available and the other team/league doesn't.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Mon May 10, 2010 5:16 am

If I am understanding you correctly, you are saying that because Ely was available LAST week, he continues to be available THIS week, even though he's not on an active roster.

Any long-time player of this contest will know that players have always been removed the player pool once they get sent to the minors -- provided they were never on an NFBC roster in your league. In 2010, this may or may not be the case.

Based on your ruling, I would assume that every player who was called up from the minor leagues this year should be available for bidding. I'm sure there will be many examples where this does not hold.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon May 10, 2010 5:30 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

If I am understanding you correctly, you are saying that because Ely was available LAST week, he continues to be available THIS week, even though he's not on an active roster.

Any long-time player of this contest will know that players have always been removed the player pool once they get sent to the minors -- provided they were never on an NFBC roster in your league. In 2010, this may or may not be the case.

Based on your ruling, I would assume that every player who was called up from the minor leagues this year should be available for bidding. I'm sure there will be many examples where this does not hold. Yes Glenn, I am saying that every owner had the ability to bid on Ely last week and this week because he was on an MLB roster. He's in the majors and available for bidding. Pulling him out at the last minute would have caused even more problems.

If I need to even further clarify the language in the rules I will. He's in the majors, everyone knew when he was called up on April 28 and now everyone has the ability to pick him up. Like others who were called up this season.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Mon May 10, 2010 6:24 am

Okay, I checked the free agent pool in a couple of my leagues. Sure enough, any player that has ever been on an active major league roster this year is listed as available. Whether they were up for a day, a week, or all 5 weeks of the 2010 season, they appear on the list.

Let me be clear: this is DEFINITELY a departure from how things were handled in previous years. Search the threads and you will find numerous examples of players that "disappeared" from the player pool because they were sent to the minors. The bottom line is that STATS handled the player pool differently than Fanball does.

The rule should be rewritten as follows:

12. Free Agents

Any player who is not on a team roster within your league and is (or was at some point during the current season) on a major league roster or once was on an NFBC team in your league is considered a free agent for that league. Even players on the MLB disabled list are eligible to be picked up during the FAAB bidding process. The player pool is deemed closed of new free agents each Sunday at 7 AM ET before the FAAB bidding deadline. Participants should note that MLB unsigned veteran free agents at the time of Draft Day are eligible to be picked up or bid on in the NFBC Classic.

[ May 10, 2010, 12:25 PM: Message edited by: King of Queens ]

Dickie V · Post by **Dickie V** » Mon May 10, 2010 6:57 am

I agree Kof Q. This was not the way this was handle in the past.

Last year, (I forget the guy who I tried to pickup) , but I had placed a bid on him earlier in the week . This player was demoted to the minors later in the week, and he disappeared from my bid list and waiver the wire immediately. It appears to be different this year though

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Mon May 10, 2010 6:59 am

everything is different this year. there doesn't seem to be much consistency. oh well.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Mon May 10, 2010 7:01 am

Originally posted by NorCalAtlFan:

oh well. Exactly my thoughts.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon May 10, 2010 7:40 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

Okay, I checked the free agent pool in a couple of my leagues. Sure enough, any player that has ever been on an active major league roster this year is listed as available. Whether they were up for a day, a week, or all 5 weeks of the 2010 season, they appear on the list.

Let me be clear: this is DEFINITELY a departure from how things were handled in previous years. Search the threads and you will find numerous examples of players that "disappeared" from the player pool because they were sent to the minors. The bottom line is that STATS handled the player pool differently than Fanball does.

The rule should be rewritten as follows:

12. Free Agents

Any player who is not on a team roster within your league and is (or was at some point during the current season) on a major league roster or once was on an NFBC team in your league is considered a free agent for that league. Even players on the MLB disabled list are eligible to be picked up during the FAAB bidding process. The player pool is deemed closed of new free agents each Sunday at 7 AM ET before the FAAB bidding deadline. Participants should note that MLB unsigned veteran free agents at the time of Draft Day are eligible to be picked up or bid on in the NFBC Classic. You are absolutely correct on this Glenn. We have been consistent with this rule during 2010, but the ruling should be clarified as you wrote.

The goal of the rule was always to give everyone a fair shot at a player when he is first called up from the minors, not to cancel out bids during the week after this player has been in the pool for an extended period of time. We are not trying to have a defined number of available free agents. Once he's up he's available for everyone in your league, first come, first served.

I will use your example above for a clearer clarification. Thanks for looking up the examples from this year and for helping better define this rule.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon May 10, 2010 7:46 am

Originally posted by Dickie V:

I agree Kof Q. This was not the way this was handle in the past.

Last year, (I forget the guy who I tried to pickup) , but I had placed a bid on him earlier in the week . This player was demoted to the minors later in the week, and he disappeared from my bid list and waiver the wire immediately. It appears to be different this year though As I told Glenn, I remember that we removed minor-leaguers who were called up during the week and then sent down to the minors before Sunday from the FAAB pool. And I do remember the move you are talking about Richard, but I can't remember the player either or if it was a case like that.

If we define this more clearly as Glenn states we should all be on the same page now and going forward and we won't be eliminating bids during the week. I don't think anyone wants that. It's hard enough to watch the waiver wire for callups; watching for demotions to the minors makes it even tougher for everyone.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon May 10, 2010 9:31 am

Originally posted by Dickie V:

I agree Kof Q. This was not the way this was handle in the past.

after talking with a number of high stakes vets, along with the poster on here. the way Greg is interpreting the rule this year IS DIFFERENT THAN HE DID IN PAST YEARS.

TRANSLATION: fanball backed greg into a corner by not being able to remove players from the free agent pool. PREVIOUSLY ILLEGAL PLAYERS ARE NOW DEEMED LEGAL WITH THE WAVE OF A WAND.

this year has been a complete and utter mess from fanball's end. i wonder what other rules greg will be forced to break or bend before the season is over. i believe i'm doing very well in the contest, but the integrity of the nfbc has been greatly reduced. very, very disappointed.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon May 10, 2010 9:36 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

There is nowhere in the rules that state we take out players mid-week when they get sent to the minors.

Greg,

I stuck up for you (more than you know) when Fanball was F'ing you over. But this comment from you is utter ... YOU KNOW DAMN WELL THAT IN PREVIOUS YEARS THE NFBC REMOVED FREE AGENTS PLAYERS WHO WERE NOT DRAFTED, NOT PICKED UP, AND IN THE MINORS. THIS WAS CONFIMMED IN A POST OF YOURS THAT I REPOSTED IN THIS THREAD.

I'M TIRED OF GETTING RAPED BY FANBALL, NOW BY YOU.

[ May 10, 2010, 04:08 PM: Message edited by: Tom Kessenich ]

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Mon May 10, 2010 10:08 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

TRANSLATION: fanball backed greg into a corner by not being able to remove players from the free agent pool. PREVIOUSLY ILLEGAL PLAYERS ARE NOW DEEMED LEGAL WITH THE WAVE OF A WAND.

Mark, I'll let Greg comment further but the above statement is 100% false. Nothing of the kind occurred and blaming Fanball's IT department is ridiculous. This was a decision made during a meeting between Greg, myself and the IT department. We all agreed this would be the most intelligent way to go and the easiest way to avoid free-agent confusion with our participants.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon May 10, 2010 10:40 am

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

TRANSLATION: fanball backed greg into a corner by not being able to remove players from the free agent pool. PREVIOUSLY ILLEGAL PLAYERS ARE NOW DEEMED LEGAL WITH THE WAVE OF A WAND.

Mark, I'll let Greg comment further but the above statement is 100% false. Nothing of the kind occurred and blaming Fanball's IT department is ridiculous. This was a decision made during a meeting between Greg, myself and the IT department. We all agreed this would be the most intelligent way to go and the easiest way to avoid free-agent confusion with our participants. [/QUOTE]Tom,

This new ruling is different than in years past, ie previously illegal players are now legal, and we found out about it on May 10th. If Fanball could remove all the "illegals", why weren't they doing so all year long??

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon May 10, 2010 10:47 am

Tom - All of this stuff is making me sick. I know it's made a lot of other players sick too. May 10th and we still don't have winning bids in descending order. previously illegal free agents are now legal. bids for EY2 were voided. Derek Holland was added to the FAAB pool apparently because of STATS (not the Fanball IT department, ya right), owners were allowed to substitute players in their lineup in week 1 after the games began, NFBC platform doesn't work on IE, the jeff clement saga, etc...

sickening. now i know why one of the best fantasy players on the planet took a self-imposed 1 year absence from the MB due to Fanball.

i realize you and greg work for fanball, so you got to follow the company line, but from a player's perspective, it's tough paying for a BMW but when you pick it up, you find out you got a Kia

captain · Post by **captain** » Mon May 10, 2010 10:47 am

Mark:

Tom & Greg made a ruling, so just deal with it. As it stands right now "It is what it is" !!

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon May 10, 2010 10:49 am

Originally posted by captain:

Mark:

Tom & Greg made a ruling, so just deal with it. As it stands right now "It is what it is" !! ya, i'll deal with it. i didn't have MB access till now, so i need to make my thoughts known. i'll move on soon enough...

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Mon May 10, 2010 10:51 am

Mark, this is the rule we've had in place the entire season. Nothing has been changed. It was stated in the rules that any player on a major league roster would be eligible as a free agent. If the wording wasn't as precise as some believe it should have been, then we apologize for that. But this rule has been in effect since Day 1. We've been consistent with it and our IT department has run it as instructed.

Mark, I don't "toe the company line." We made some mistakes at the start of the season. We've acknowledged them. But we've worked hard to correct them and we now have a site that in many ways is significantly better than what we were offering on Stats. If you want to believe Fanball is the devil, that's your right. What Greg and I are focused on is doing everything in our power to make sure this game goes well for the remainder of the season. We've made a lot of strides since that first week and we think there are a lot of positives as a result. If you disagree, that's up to you.

[ May 10, 2010, 04:54 PM: Message edited by: Tom Kessenich ]

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon May 10, 2010 10:55 am

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:

Mark, this is the rule we've had in place the entire season. Nothing has been changed. It was stated in the rules that any player on a major league roster would be eligible as a free agent. And yet all of the players i talked to and all the players that posted in this thread were completely unaware of this? Was this rule change announced anywhere b4 today, May 10th?

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Mon May 10, 2010 10:56 am

And for what it's worth I just bought a Kia Forte this weekend and I love it. It's a great car and I couldn't be happier.

But go ahead and attack me and blame Fanball for that too if you want.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon May 10, 2010 10:57 am

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:

And for what it's worth I just bought a Kia Forte this weekend and I love it. It's a great car and I couldn't be happier.

ya, but did you pay a BMW price for it?

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Mon May 10, 2010 11:01 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:

Mark, this is the rule we've had in place the entire season. Nothing has been changed. It was stated in the rules that any player on a major league roster would be eligible as a free agent. And yet all of the players i talked to and all the players that posted in this thread were completely unaware of this? Was this rule change announced anywhere b4 today, May 10th? [/QUOTE]Can we please continue to make mountains out of mole-hills, please? Would you like a little cheese with that whine? Are you worried that someone might actually take advantage of a situation to improve their situation (rather than you, I mean)? Your post implies you polled some number of fantasy players, when in fact I see only a few who jump to conclusions, overreact, feign mock indignity. We had some serious problems the first week, but by and large the nuts and bolts are fine. And we are getting better all the time.

Man, get over it!

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon May 10, 2010 11:06 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

Can we please continue to make mountains out of mole-hills, please? Would you like a little cheese with that whine? Are you worried that someone might actually take advantage of a situation to improve their situation (rather than you, I mean)? Your post implies you polled some number of fantasy players, when in fact I see only a few who jump to conclusions, overreact, feign mock indignity. We had some serious problems the first week, but by and large the nuts and bolts are fine. And we are getting better all the time.

Man, get over it! it's obvious you can't read.

i said i didn't have MB access till now. so this is when i'm posting. is that okay with you, wayne? please oh please, wayne.

get off your high horse

The Mighty Men · Post by **The Mighty Men** » Mon May 10, 2010 11:09 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

[QUOTE] overreact I don't know, Wayne, you think accusing someone of "raping" you is overreacting? I guess not in prison.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon May 10, 2010 11:10 am

Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

[QUOTE] overreact I don't know, Wayne, you think accusing someone of "raping" you is overreacting? I guess not in prison. [/QUOTE]jack - u are like a tail, always following me around