First Year..and my last...

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:58 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

You must really be sore that even though we've saved you hours and hours with the new Free Agent Quick feature that those extra minutes looking at Winning FAAB Bids in alphabetical order are killing you. Sorry, but that feature isn't on my Top 5 list to IT. i don't use the Free Agent Quick feature anymore. i did at one time, but Google Chrome is so fast accessing the FAAB page that i don't have a need for the Quick feature.

i'm not sore, just heard about the mike stanton being shown as carlos marmol in leagues and that was a bummer that i must have glossed over earlier this year. even though i have no interest in stanton, really unbelievable... [/QUOTE]What is unbelievable? That there was the same player ID number from our stats source? Mark, this is why leagues can't get loaded right away because Player IDs for all players aren't done by STATS until they get everyone ID'd correctly. And sometimes with a Double-A player the number might be duplicated. Not by Fanball or ESPN or anyone else. It happens.

You should know the facts before you continue to just want to throw Fanball under the bus for everything. Nobody did anything wrong other than Stanton having the same Player ID number as Marmol. And if Josh wants to blame Fanball for him not knowing Stanton was already drafted in his league, then

I guess we get the blame. But he said he was saving all of his FAAB money for Stanton when two weeks ago he felt we cost him his season when he had saved his money for Sizemore. So either way I'm causing his bad season. And you believe it.

Cobb · Post by **Cobb** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:58 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

You must really be sore that even though we've saved you hours and hours with the new Free Agent Quick feature that those extra minutes looking at Winning FAAB Bids in alphabetical order are killing you. Sorry, but that feature isn't on my Top 5 list to IT. i don't use the Free Agent Quick feature anymore. i did at one time, but Google Chrome is so fast accessing the FAAB page that i don't have a need for the Quick feature.

i'm not sore, just heard about the mike stanton being shown as carlos marmol in leagues and that was a bummer that i must have glossed over earlier this year. even though i have no interest in stanton, really unbelievable... [/QUOTE]Mark-

Stanton wasn't being shown as Marmol. Stanton was drafted and on a roster as Stanton. It was just the draft results page that had Stanton listed as Marmol. Anybody who tracked the draft themselves knew Stanton was drafted.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:08 pm

Originally posted by Cobb:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

You must really be sore that even though we've saved you hours and hours with the new Free Agent Quick feature that those extra minutes looking at Winning FAAB Bids in alphabetical order are killing you. Sorry, but that feature isn't on my Top 5 list to IT. i don't use the Free Agent Quick feature anymore. i did at one time, but Google Chrome is so fast accessing the FAAB page that i don't have a need for the Quick feature.

i'm not sore, just heard about the mike stanton being shown as carlos marmol in leagues and that was a bummer that i must have glossed over earlier this year. even though i have no interest in stanton, really unbelievable... [/QUOTE]Mark-

Stanton wasn't being shown as Marmol. Stanton was drafted and on a roster as Stanton. It was just the draft results page that had Stanton listed as Marmol. Anybody who tracked the draft themselves knew Stanton was drafted. [/QUOTE]cobb - after drafting 14 teams, i quickly lose track of player grids. i usually look at the draft results on the league website FIRST to see if the guy was or wasn't drafted and not in the FAAB pool. I'd do a CTRL-F. quick and should be effective

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:12 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

You should know the facts before you continue to just want to throw Fanball under the bus for everything. FACTS? what do they mean to you? show me one post i made in this thread that had the word "Fanball" in it. YOU WON'T FIND ONE. Stop making things up Greg. You must be paranoid.

Sebadiah23 · Post by **Sebadiah23** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:12 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Nobody did anything wrong other than Stanton having the same Player ID number as Marmol. And if Josh wants to blame Fanball for him not knowing Stanton was already drafted in his league, then

I guess we get the blame. But he said he was saving all of his FAAB money for Stanton when two weeks ago he felt we cost him his season when he had saved his money for Sizemore. So either way I'm causing his bad season. And you believe it. That's funny stuff Greg.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:16 pm

Greg - I'm headed to bed now. I won't let you bait me anymore with madeup stuff.

Since you used a "don't be sore" line, I'll use it too, don't be sore cause I'm not playing in the NFFC this year due to not wanting to be a guinea pig again.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:31 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

Greg - I'm headed to bed now. I won't let you bait me anymore with madeup stuff.

Since you used a "don't be sore" line, I'll use it too, don't be sore cause I'm not playing in the NFFC this year due to not wanting to be a guinea pig again. Mark, I don't care if you play in the NFFC or not. You keep saying that as if you're the Pied Piper or something. The NFFC and the NFBC will both live without you. Good luck in those other football and baseball leagues and I hope you do well.

Our back-end for football will be fine and better than any other high-stakes football back-end. You know what the others have for Conditional Bids, FAAB, etc. compared to ours. I hope everyone does well and go with what you trust most. If it's not us anymore, no problem. I know you're not alone. But we have to keep moving forward with our own back-end system and making it better as we go, like we did with STATS' system over six years.

I'm done too.

Cobb · Post by **Cobb** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:59 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Cobb:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

You must really be sore that even though we've saved you hours and hours with the new Free Agent Quick feature that those extra minutes looking at Winning FAAB Bids in alphabetical order are killing you. Sorry, but that feature isn't on my Top 5 list to IT. i don't use the Free Agent Quick feature anymore. i did at one time, but Google Chrome is so fast accessing the FAAB page that i don't have a need for the Quick feature.

i'm not sore, just heard about the mike stanton being shown as carlos marmol in leagues and that was a bummer that i must have glossed over earlier this year. even though i have no interest in stanton, really unbelievable... [/QUOTE]Mark-

Stanton wasn't being shown as Marmol. Stanton was drafted and on a roster as Stanton. It was just the draft results page that had Stanton listed as Marmol. Anybody who tracked the draft themselves knew Stanton was drafted. [/QUOTE]cobb - after drafting 14 teams, i quickly lose track of player grids. i usually look at the draft results on the league website FIRST to see if the guy was or wasn't drafted and not in the FAAB pool. I'd do a CTRL-F. quick and should be effective [/QUOTE]I hear you Mark, I do a lot of leagues too. I always track live drafts myself...online leagues are a different story, I don't really attempt to follow them. I would think that you know for sure who was drafted in your main event leagues...

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:39 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Mark, I don't care if you play in the NFFC or not. great!!! we are on the same page now, and i won't expect to get nasty texts from you (like i did last year) when you find out i signed up for a competing event.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:42 am

Originally posted by Cobb:

I hear you Mark, I do a lot of leagues too. I always track live drafts myself...online leagues are a different story, I don't really attempt to follow them. I would think that you know for sure who was drafted in your main event leagues... Cobb - maybe for a few days/week after the main event i do, but after that, i'm looking at different player pools in 5 different leagues. remembering "who was drafted" quickly goes away and up until this year, i thought that trusting the draft results was the next safest thing to do. hopefully that gets improved for next year.

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:48 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Mark, I don't care if you play in the NFFC or not. great!!! we are on the same page now, and i won't expect to get nasty texts from you (like i did last year) when you find out i signed up for a competing event. [/QUOTE]Mark, I think you can rest assured that if you play in other events, Greg and I won't be the least bit concerned. We wish you the best of luck in the NFBC this year and all of your leagues elsewhere in the future going forward.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:56 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Mark, I don't care if you play in the NFFC or not. great!!! we are on the same page now, and i won't expect to get nasty texts from you (like i did last year) when you find out i signed up for a competing event. [/QUOTE]I said you were two-faced for bashing those two owners for years and then signing up for their event and using their boards as a forum to bash us. But actually this is a win-win scenario for everyone Mark. You've become the nice guy over there and thus you're not bashing anyone on any football boards. Our football boards are civil again and folks are just talking football over there. Everyone wins and we move on, hoping to replace one owner who was unhappy and left. It happens.

You're a good guy. Best of luck in any event you compete in. It's all good. We'll both be successful this football season and have a Corona in Las Vegas. Heck, maybe Ryan and I will even be in your league in that other event. We have a league title to defend over there and another $5,000 to win. We plan on playing in competing events, just like you. See you there.

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:09 am

Maybe Greg and Gekk can hash this out over an order of wings ? DOH!

"sniff" can you just smell those babies !

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:13 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Mark, I don't care if you play in the NFFC or not. great!!! we are on the same page now, and i won't expect to get nasty texts from you (like i did last year) when you find out i signed up for a competing event. [/QUOTE]I said you were two-faced for bashing those two owners for years and then signing up for their event and using their boards as a forum to bash us. But actually this is a win-win scenario for everyone Mark. You've become the nice guy over there and thus you're not bashing anyone on any football boards. Our football boards are civil again and folks are just talking football over there. Everyone wins and we move on, hoping to replace one owner who was unhappy and left. It happens.

You're a good guy. Best of luck in any event you compete in. It's all good. We'll both be successful this football season and have a Corona in Las Vegas. Heck, maybe Ryan and I will even be in your league in that other event. We have a league title to defend over there and another $5,000 to win. We plan on playing in competing events, just like you. See you there. [/QUOTE]you're right , i had some differences with management over there. they were worked out and the rest is history. i could call you a two face and reveal all the people you bashed in emails to me (i keep every email), but maybe we'll let that one go.

well, with me not playing and the boards civil, you should have a very succesful year.

and if ryan is in my league, have him ready to answer some tough questions in front of people, because i'll be the one asking. and if i get the treatment both you guys gave to some other nfbc participants once you found out they signed up for the wcofb, just realize that won't go well for you two.

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:14 am

The reality is people leave our event every year. It happens. Our retention rates for the NFBC and NFFC have been outstanding since their inceptions but no one has a 100% retention rate. That means every year somebody is going to leave for one reason or another. We'd love to keep everyone but we realize that isn't going to happen. If people choose to leave, we wish them the best.

We're proud of the events we offer and the great thing about that is some people leave for awhile and then come back. We're seeing that happen with the NFFC this year, for example. But some people leave and never come back. It happens and we all move on. No matter what happens and who's here and who isn't, Greg and I won't change our approach or belief in this event, the NFFC and any other events we may create in the future.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:17 am

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:

the great thing about that is some people leave for awhile and then come back. hopefully i'm in that boat next year tom. i really do. good luck this year and i'll miss hanging with you in NY

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:07 am

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Mark, I don't care if you play in the NFFC or not. great!!! we are on the same page now, and i won't expect to get nasty texts from you (like i did last year) when you find out i signed up for a competing event. [/QUOTE]Mark, I think you can rest assured that if you play in other events, Greg and I won't be the least bit concerned. We wish you the best of luck in the NFBC this year and all of your leagues elsewhere in the future going forward. [/QUOTE

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Come on Tom who are you kidding,Gekko has been a pain in Greg's ass for a long time and i would think you guys would be sick if he even came close to that 100.000 dollars.Calling it as i see it and there is nothing wrong with that.

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:19 am

Eddie, we'll be happy for whoever wins the $100,000 because it will represent a job well done. As you know, the baseball season is a marathon so whoever comes in first at the end will have earned it.

Sorry I won't see you in New York for football this year but I'll be out in Vegas the second weekend so maybe I'll see you there.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:01 am

Given where we began the season, I'm very happy with the site. I already like it more than STATS.

The decision-making has been fair and objective, as it always has been, and as it should be so long as the commishioner is as engaged in the game as Greg has been.

The contest will lose some new players each season as they experience the level of competition, and a few vets love to announce their retirement over and over again, but almost all of them come back finances permitting. As much as players try to use the I'm gonna quit hammer to effect change, there isn't a better alternative and anyone that's been around awhile knows that.

And Steve, I'd like an order of those wings for lunch.

[ June 11, 2010, 03:16 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:05 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Given where we began the season, I'm very happy with the site. I already like it more than STATS. Thanks KJ. I think it's an improvement as well so it's nice to hear you say that. We have things we need to add but I think we're in a great position to really make it an even better site going forward.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:31 am

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Given where we began the season, I'm very happy with the site. I already like it more than STATS. Thanks KJ. I think it's an improvement as well so it's nice to hear you say that. We have things we need to add but I think we're in a great position to really make it an even better site going forward. [/QUOTE]Tom,

As I've told Greg a number of times, I like the site for the most part. Some of it I like MORE than STATS. However there are still things that need to be done (some of them very, very simple from what programmers have told me), and Greg's post about not being sure if anymore enhancements were going to get through THIS YEAR was disappointing.

I hate to be the guy holding Fanball accountable for these things, but that's the path I've chosen. I know others feel the same way, whether they are posting or not.

NEXT year, I have a feeling the backend will be the BEST we've had yet. Unfortunately, we still have this year to play out.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:33 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

and a few vets love to announce their retirement over and over again, but almost all of them come back finances permitting. As much as players try to use the I'm gonna quit hammer to effect change, there isn't a better alternative and anyone that's been around awhile knows that.

oh, i'm not retiring, just playing somewhere else this year. hope to be back next year

[ June 11, 2010, 03:33 PM: Message edited by: Gekko ]

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:38 am

Originally posted by eddiejag:

Come on Tom who are you kidding,Gekko has been a pain in Greg's ass for a long time and i would think you guys would be sick if he even came close to that 100.000 dollars.Calling it as i see it and there is nothing wrong with that. if i've been a "pain" it most certainly involved something going on with rules, commish interpretations, etc...

really, i just want to be someone who plays the game, makes some "REV up the faab bids" posts and be done with it. with a newborn, that's all i really have time for.

but when things start to breakdown or i'm called names or foolish, and i'm holding people/companies accountable for what they promised, i have a tendency to defend myself. sorry if that is being a "pain".

[ June 11, 2010, 03:42 PM: Message edited by: Gekko ]

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:40 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

I hate to be the guy holding Fanball accountable for these things, but that's the path I've chosen. I know others feel the same way, whether they are posting or not.

That's fine, Mark. Greg and I have gotten plenty of emails and phone calls from people who don't post on the boards who are having a lot of fun this year. So I guess it works both ways.

If you want to hold Fanball accountable for things you think the site should have, that's up to you. There are things we need to add but as K.J. has said and I agree, the site is better in many respects to what we had before. That doesn't excuse the horrible first week. Nothing will and nothing can. But unlike you, Greg and I are moving forward trying to improve the contest for this year and beyond. We believe we've accomplished a lot in that regard. Does that mean everything is perfect and we're done? Of course not. But I don't think the sky is falling as you and a few others here so often insist.

You've made it clear what your intentions are going forward and as Greg and I have said, that's fine with us. We wish you the best in your other events.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:48 am

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:

If you want to hold Fanball accountable for things you think the site should have, that's up to you. i'm holding Fanball accountable for what we were promised, not what i think it should have. we were told we would have at a minimum the same functionality as STATS. It's June 11th and we still don't have what was promised by Fanball (not me).

*overall by periods

*games started on faab pitcher screen

*bids in descending order

are all things we had with STATS. they should have been the minimum. now we are told there's no telling if anymore enhancements will make it through? how can we move forward with a statement like that?

[ June 11, 2010, 03:48 PM: Message edited by: Gekko ]