Who Deserves To Be In The Inaugural Class Of NFBC Hall of Fame?
Who Deserves To Be In The Inaugural Class Of NFBC Hall of Fame?
btw, thanks for doing this Greg!
Who Deserves To Be In The Inaugural Class Of NFBC Hall of Fame?
Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
STEPHEN JUPINKA
Entered: 33 leagues since 2004
Won: 14 league titles (42.4%)
T.E.R.M.I.N.A.T.O.R.
STEPHEN JUPINKA
Entered: 33 leagues since 2004
Won: 14 league titles (42.4%)
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Who Deserves To Be In The Inaugural Class Of NFBC Hall of Fame?
Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
2) I hope Mark turns the "I am the best" antics down this offseason and preseason. It was funny when you were mediocre. It cannot play so easily when you are what you now are. One of the best in the world at our little hobby. I also get bothered a bit when Mark gets labeled as a grinder. Sure, he works really hard in season. He also has a great read on player evaluation and remembers everything. Funny story somewhere in or around 2007 he PM's me and asks my opinion on if he should go big in FAAB on Fred Lewis. I encourage him to do so and explain why I love his upside. Keep in mind Mark PM's with everyone and he and I alone PM on a pretty regular basis and talk about a lot of things. Fast forward to the 2009 super league draft. Fred Lewis was a lot of our favorite breakout candidates in 2009. Mark takes him 2 picks before me right before a break. Over the phone at the break he says I knew I could not get Lewis past you one more time b/c you love him Chest. I just laughed and said well played.
Another thing to watch with Mark is the backside of his pitching staffs. He almost always gets "lucky" and has solid 5-7 starters in round 18 or after. To me that is more impressive than nailing Carlos Gonzalez.
Thanks for the kind words. I appreciate it. True story by the way with Lewis. The top players (Jupinka, etc) are looking for every edge they can get and will use whatever information they have against you. In order to compete on their level, one must learn to do the same thing.
2) I hope Mark turns the "I am the best" antics down this offseason and preseason. It was funny when you were mediocre. It cannot play so easily when you are what you now are. One of the best in the world at our little hobby. I also get bothered a bit when Mark gets labeled as a grinder. Sure, he works really hard in season. He also has a great read on player evaluation and remembers everything. Funny story somewhere in or around 2007 he PM's me and asks my opinion on if he should go big in FAAB on Fred Lewis. I encourage him to do so and explain why I love his upside. Keep in mind Mark PM's with everyone and he and I alone PM on a pretty regular basis and talk about a lot of things. Fast forward to the 2009 super league draft. Fred Lewis was a lot of our favorite breakout candidates in 2009. Mark takes him 2 picks before me right before a break. Over the phone at the break he says I knew I could not get Lewis past you one more time b/c you love him Chest. I just laughed and said well played.
Another thing to watch with Mark is the backside of his pitching staffs. He almost always gets "lucky" and has solid 5-7 starters in round 18 or after. To me that is more impressive than nailing Carlos Gonzalez.
Thanks for the kind words. I appreciate it. True story by the way with Lewis. The top players (Jupinka, etc) are looking for every edge they can get and will use whatever information they have against you. In order to compete on their level, one must learn to do the same thing.
Who Deserves To Be In The Inaugural Class Of NFBC Hall of Fame?
Originally posted by Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
STEPHEN JUPINKA
Entered: 33 leagues since 2004
Won: 14 league titles (42.4%)
T.E.R.M.I.N.A.T.O.R. [/QUOTE]Honestly, out of all the incredible achievements (like David's $240k), this one really stood out to me as well. Crazy 42.4% when you would expect to win 6.67% (1 of 15) if everything was random.
Anyway, I think all deserve to be in, congrats to all
One potential Idea Greg: Why not Require $100k in total winnings and 5 years of history? Feels like that would create enough of a bar to rate players appropriately against each other
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
STEPHEN JUPINKA
Entered: 33 leagues since 2004
Won: 14 league titles (42.4%)
T.E.R.M.I.N.A.T.O.R.
[/QUOTE]Honestly, out of all the incredible achievements (like David's $240k), this one really stood out to me as well. Crazy 42.4% when you would expect to win 6.67% (1 of 15) if everything was random.Anyway, I think all deserve to be in, congrats to all
One potential Idea Greg: Why not Require $100k in total winnings and 5 years of history? Feels like that would create enough of a bar to rate players appropriately against each other
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The Hall of Fame is a great idea, but we have a long ways to go. There are so many great players out there. I personally don't think I'm ready to be put in this group. I get that I've had success in the Main event and won a few other leagues in other formats. But just like this year, I could drift into the sunset over the next decade. I need to prove a can win over the long haul.
In the high end games (Diamond and Ultimate), I'm about even in my NFBC career. This tells me, I'm not as good as I think. To be the best in this game, you have to be willing to take on anybody and everybody at any level to be a special player.
I don't give anyone extract credit for winning multiple low level leagues. If you want to be an elite player, you need to prove it against the best.
As of today, I think you have two locks for the Hall of Fame - Steve Jupinka and David DiDonato.
Steve took his #1 ranking and he delivered the overall prize this year. In any sport or game, it doesn't get any better than this. He had success over time and he has a major title.
David has won the overall and he had success at the highest stakes level of this game. He has my vote.
I think Terry Haney is at the door step. He's won the overall, but I'd like to see him with another big win (Ultimate Auction Title).
Lindy Hinkelman is the 3rd player that probably done enough. He's the only player with two major titles and he has had success in other events against top competition. He has my vote.
Robert Jurney also has a major title. He plays in the higher end game. He need a couple more league titles or a win in Super league or higher.
David Longood has won twice in the biggest circus in the NFBC (Ultimate Auction league). This is the toughest single league format. He's real close for me. He's a Hall of Famer in my mind, but he needs another year or two of success in the main event or a 3rd Ultimate title.
In the high end games (Diamond and Ultimate), I'm about even in my NFBC career. This tells me, I'm not as good as I think. To be the best in this game, you have to be willing to take on anybody and everybody at any level to be a special player.
I don't give anyone extract credit for winning multiple low level leagues. If you want to be an elite player, you need to prove it against the best.
As of today, I think you have two locks for the Hall of Fame - Steve Jupinka and David DiDonato.
Steve took his #1 ranking and he delivered the overall prize this year. In any sport or game, it doesn't get any better than this. He had success over time and he has a major title.
David has won the overall and he had success at the highest stakes level of this game. He has my vote.
I think Terry Haney is at the door step. He's won the overall, but I'd like to see him with another big win (Ultimate Auction Title).
Lindy Hinkelman is the 3rd player that probably done enough. He's the only player with two major titles and he has had success in other events against top competition. He has my vote.
Robert Jurney also has a major title. He plays in the higher end game. He need a couple more league titles or a win in Super league or higher.
David Longood has won twice in the biggest circus in the NFBC (Ultimate Auction league). This is the toughest single league format. He's real close for me. He's a Hall of Famer in my mind, but he needs another year or two of success in the main event or a 3rd Ultimate title.
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All good points Shawn. I'm not done with my analysis as I had planned to get to David Longood, Bobby Jurney and a few others today. I hope to do that today and again I'll post all of these resumes on a new thread when I'm done. These take a bit of time, so I didn't get to them all yesterday. But once I dove into the data, it was very interesting to see the separation of the truly GREAT owners and the very good owners. I'll disagree with your post: I think you and Steve have separated yourselves through all seven seasons as the elite. But I may be wrong. 
And I agree, I don't think 7 years is long enough to elect all very good owners to a Hall of Fame. I think we will make some owners prove it over more seasons, even though some feel they are qualified now. In baseball you need 10 years to qualify, but if you dominated for only five years and sucked for five you won't get in. You really need 10 years of dominance and more to get into the Baseball Hall of Fame. In some ways, I think you need 7 years of dominance here to get in right away.
We'll be more conservative than I originally thought and make this HOF special. Hopefully, others will agree. And then each year, owners will prove to us whether we need to expand the list of inductees or not. The proof will be in the numbers.
And I agree, I don't think 7 years is long enough to elect all very good owners to a Hall of Fame. I think we will make some owners prove it over more seasons, even though some feel they are qualified now. In baseball you need 10 years to qualify, but if you dominated for only five years and sucked for five you won't get in. You really need 10 years of dominance and more to get into the Baseball Hall of Fame. In some ways, I think you need 7 years of dominance here to get in right away.
We'll be more conservative than I originally thought and make this HOF special. Hopefully, others will agree. And then each year, owners will prove to us whether we need to expand the list of inductees or not. The proof will be in the numbers.
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Shawn, thanks for your vote, but I have some more proving to do, like win maybe a third league title or something. Until then, I'm just the Jose Bautista of fantasy baseball. BTW-I'm pretty sure that David Longood has won three Ultimate titles..
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Originally posted by Bob Enzyte:
Shawn, thanks for your vote, but I have some more proving to do, like win maybe a third league title or something. Until then, I'm just the Jose Bautista of fantasy baseball. BTW-I'm pretty sure that David Longood has won three Ultimate titles.. The proof is in the deposit slip!
With Three Ultimate wins, he has my vote.
I know Will Tyrer won this year. Ken Norred won once. Who is the other owner?
Shawn, thanks for your vote, but I have some more proving to do, like win maybe a third league title or something. Until then, I'm just the Jose Bautista of fantasy baseball. BTW-I'm pretty sure that David Longood has won three Ultimate titles.. The proof is in the deposit slip!
With Three Ultimate wins, he has my vote.
I know Will Tyrer won this year. Ken Norred won once. Who is the other owner?
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Originally posted by Bob Enzyte:
Shawn, thanks for your vote, but I have some more proving to do, like win maybe a third league title or something. Until then, I'm just the Jose Bautista of fantasy baseball. BTW-I'm pretty sure that David Longood has won three Ultimate titles.. Good point Jose. David has won three Ultimate Auction League titles. He's on deck in the analysis of next candidates.
Shawn, thanks for your vote, but I have some more proving to do, like win maybe a third league title or something. Until then, I'm just the Jose Bautista of fantasy baseball. BTW-I'm pretty sure that David Longood has won three Ultimate titles.. Good point Jose.
David has won three Ultimate Auction League titles. He's on deck in the analysis of next candidates.Greg Ambrosius
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Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
quote:Originally posted by Bob Enzyte:
Shawn, thanks for your vote, but I have some more proving to do, like win maybe a third league title or something. Until then, I'm just the Jose Bautista of fantasy baseball. BTW-I'm pretty sure that David Longood has won three Ultimate titles.. The proof is in the deposit slip!
With Three Ultimate wins, he has my vote.
I know Will Tyrer won this year. Ken Norred won once. Who is the other owner? [/QUOTE]Greg Morgan won in 2006, Ken Magner finished second and Jim Ferrari finished third.
quote:Originally posted by Bob Enzyte:
Shawn, thanks for your vote, but I have some more proving to do, like win maybe a third league title or something. Until then, I'm just the Jose Bautista of fantasy baseball. BTW-I'm pretty sure that David Longood has won three Ultimate titles.. The proof is in the deposit slip!
With Three Ultimate wins, he has my vote.
I know Will Tyrer won this year. Ken Norred won once. Who is the other owner? [/QUOTE]Greg Morgan won in 2006, Ken Magner finished second and Jim Ferrari finished third.
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Greg Morgan was the other winner.
Who Deserves To Be In The Inaugural Class Of NFBC Hall of Fame?
Agreed. Shawn's right, maybe 7 years is too soon.
He also says "In the high end games (Diamond and Ultimate), I'm about even in my NFBC career. This tells me, I'm not as good as I think. To be the best in this game, you have to be willing to take on anybody and everybody at any level to be a special player."
My success at the high end games have been less than stellar.
2006 ULT 3rd
2007 ULT 3rd Auction 5th
2008 ULT 14th
2009 ULT 13th
2010 Super 3rd
Now if he sits out I don't know how that gets me in. We're either both in or both out. I'm most impressed with Didonato's track record though. His success in the high stakes leagues are incomparable.
He also says "In the high end games (Diamond and Ultimate), I'm about even in my NFBC career. This tells me, I'm not as good as I think. To be the best in this game, you have to be willing to take on anybody and everybody at any level to be a special player."
My success at the high end games have been less than stellar.
2006 ULT 3rd
2007 ULT 3rd Auction 5th
2008 ULT 14th
2009 ULT 13th
2010 Super 3rd
Now if he sits out I don't know how that gets me in. We're either both in or both out. I'm most impressed with Didonato's track record though. His success in the high stakes leagues are incomparable.
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I think I'm going to vomit. 
There's so much humility in this thread, I'm literally getting sick to my stomach.
Here Childs, Jupinka, & Lindy are all claiming they have more to prove despite hundreds of league titles and billions of dollars won between them. While at the same time, I'm trying to formulate a game plan to convince Greg that I'm worthy of induction based solely on my one Main Event title, the fact that I post a lot, and that I've yet to ever finish dead last in the Overall (worthy credentials all if you ask me).
Guys, you'll accept your honors whether you like it or not!!!
Believe me, you're all more than worthy. I hope that one day when all is said and done I will have achieved half of what any of you have.
Glenn
[ October 21, 2010, 12:13 PM: Message edited by: Glenneration X ]
There's so much humility in this thread, I'm literally getting sick to my stomach.
Here Childs, Jupinka, & Lindy are all claiming they have more to prove despite hundreds of league titles and billions of dollars won between them. While at the same time, I'm trying to formulate a game plan to convince Greg that I'm worthy of induction based solely on my one Main Event title, the fact that I post a lot, and that I've yet to ever finish dead last in the Overall (worthy credentials all if you ask me).
Guys, you'll accept your honors whether you like it or not!!!
Believe me, you're all more than worthy. I hope that one day when all is said and done I will have achieved half of what any of you have.
Glenn
[ October 21, 2010, 12:13 PM: Message edited by: Glenneration X ]
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Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
In the high end games (Diamond and Ultimate), I'm about even in my NFBC career. This tells me, I'm not as good as I think. To be the best in this game, you have to be willing to take on anybody and everybody at any level to be a special player.Shawn, you are so full of crap!
If you had succeeded at this level and not a lower level, you'd be beating yourself up for not excelling at the lower level.
We all want to be the best. The best, has a different meaning for some of us.
You know that I'm a cheap sombitch and will never be seen in a Diamond League. Zirconia, that's me.
Does it make me less of a player? I hope not.
The Main Event is still THE MAIN EVENT.
Success or non success in other leagues is taken with a grain of salt.
In the high end games (Diamond and Ultimate), I'm about even in my NFBC career. This tells me, I'm not as good as I think. To be the best in this game, you have to be willing to take on anybody and everybody at any level to be a special player.Shawn, you are so full of crap!
If you had succeeded at this level and not a lower level, you'd be beating yourself up for not excelling at the lower level.
We all want to be the best. The best, has a different meaning for some of us.
You know that I'm a cheap sombitch and will never be seen in a Diamond League. Zirconia, that's me.
Does it make me less of a player? I hope not.
The Main Event is still THE MAIN EVENT.
Success or non success in other leagues is taken with a grain of salt.
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Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
In the high end games (Diamond and Ultimate), I'm about even in my NFBC career. This tells me, I'm not as good as I think. To be the best in this game, you have to be willing to take on anybody and everybody at any level to be a special player..
You know that I'm a cheap sombitch and will never be seen in a Diamond League. Zirconia, that's me.
Does it make me less of a player? I hope not.
[/QUOTE]Just think of it as Stephen Strasburg, he's an elite talent. What he does against single A players is nice, but we want to see what he does against major league talent.
We can use the main event as the baseline. It is the major leagues. The Super, Ultimate, and Diamonds leagues are the All Star leagues. Sure once in a while a coaches kid makes the team, but overall the players can play.
Some lower level leagues have just as much talent, but overall the fields aren't as deep with experienced NFBC players.
If you want to get extra credit for hitting .400 against rookie ball pitchers, I don't agree.
I don't think if you win at the lowest level it is a negative mark, but I do think the playing field is tougher as you move up the food chain.
[ October 21, 2010, 01:42 PM: Message edited by: CC's Desperados ]
quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
In the high end games (Diamond and Ultimate), I'm about even in my NFBC career. This tells me, I'm not as good as I think. To be the best in this game, you have to be willing to take on anybody and everybody at any level to be a special player..
You know that I'm a cheap sombitch and will never be seen in a Diamond League. Zirconia, that's me.
Does it make me less of a player? I hope not.
[/QUOTE]Just think of it as Stephen Strasburg, he's an elite talent. What he does against single A players is nice, but we want to see what he does against major league talent.
We can use the main event as the baseline. It is the major leagues. The Super, Ultimate, and Diamonds leagues are the All Star leagues. Sure once in a while a coaches kid makes the team, but overall the players can play.
Some lower level leagues have just as much talent, but overall the fields aren't as deep with experienced NFBC players.
If you want to get extra credit for hitting .400 against rookie ball pitchers, I don't agree.
I don't think if you win at the lowest level it is a negative mark, but I do think the playing field is tougher as you move up the food chain.
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LINDY HINKELMAN
NFBC FACTS
Entered: 26 leagues since 2005
Won: 2 league titles (7.7%)
2nd: 6 times (30.8% in Top 2)
3rd: 4 (42.3% in money; one was OC)
4th: 1
5th: 3
6th: 1
7th: 1 (18 of 26 or 69.2% in top half)
Other finishes: 8th (2), 9th, 10th, 13th, 14th (2).
Main Events: 6
1st: 1 (also won overall)
2nd: 1
3rd: 1 (cashed 50%)
5th: 2
14th: 1
Lindy had the perfect season in 2009, winning the overall titles in the Main Event and the Online Championship to earn a $75,000 cash bonus. It's now called "The Lindy." He remains our NFBC Money Leader thanks to that $241,300 season. He has been competing in the Main Event since 2005 and has finished 5th, 3rd, 2nd, 5th, 1st and 14th.
He struggled this year to defend his Main Event title and cashed in only one of six events, a second place finish in the Live Double Play.
My records might be off slightly because I know Lindy shared teams early on with other owners, but it looks like Lindy has spent approximately $48,000 in NFBC entry fees and has won $245,300 (not counting partnerships).
Lindy has the two league titles from 2009 and has finished second in the Ultimate Auction League three times, just missing a title in that prestigious event. He also has a second and a third place finish in the $1,250 NL Auction League.
Here's Lindy's resume in the NFBC:
2005: 5th Main Event, 2nd $1250 NL Auction, 2nd Ultimate Auction
2006: 3rd Main Event, 2nd Ultimate Auction, 3rd $1250 NL Auction, 8th $1250 AL Auction
2007: 2nd Main Event, 6th $1250 NL, 7th Ultimate Auction, 3rd Sack Sat
2008: 5th Main Event, 14th Ultimate Auction, 6th $1300 NL Auction, 8th $125 Sat, 5th $125 Sat
2009: 1st Main Event, 1st Online Championship, 2nd Ultimate Auction, 4th $1300 NL Auction
2010: 14th Main Event, 3rd Online Championship, 2nd Live Double Play, 10th Live Double Play, 9th Auction Championship, 13th Ultimate Auction
Is this person Hall of Fame ready? Are these the type of credentials that warrant a spot in the inaugural NFBC Hall of Fame? You be the judge.
NFBC FACTS
Entered: 26 leagues since 2005
Won: 2 league titles (7.7%)
2nd: 6 times (30.8% in Top 2)
3rd: 4 (42.3% in money; one was OC)
4th: 1
5th: 3
6th: 1
7th: 1 (18 of 26 or 69.2% in top half)
Other finishes: 8th (2), 9th, 10th, 13th, 14th (2).
Main Events: 6
1st: 1 (also won overall)
2nd: 1
3rd: 1 (cashed 50%)
5th: 2
14th: 1
Lindy had the perfect season in 2009, winning the overall titles in the Main Event and the Online Championship to earn a $75,000 cash bonus. It's now called "The Lindy." He remains our NFBC Money Leader thanks to that $241,300 season. He has been competing in the Main Event since 2005 and has finished 5th, 3rd, 2nd, 5th, 1st and 14th.
He struggled this year to defend his Main Event title and cashed in only one of six events, a second place finish in the Live Double Play.
My records might be off slightly because I know Lindy shared teams early on with other owners, but it looks like Lindy has spent approximately $48,000 in NFBC entry fees and has won $245,300 (not counting partnerships).
Lindy has the two league titles from 2009 and has finished second in the Ultimate Auction League three times, just missing a title in that prestigious event. He also has a second and a third place finish in the $1,250 NL Auction League.
Here's Lindy's resume in the NFBC:
2005: 5th Main Event, 2nd $1250 NL Auction, 2nd Ultimate Auction
2006: 3rd Main Event, 2nd Ultimate Auction, 3rd $1250 NL Auction, 8th $1250 AL Auction
2007: 2nd Main Event, 6th $1250 NL, 7th Ultimate Auction, 3rd Sack Sat
2008: 5th Main Event, 14th Ultimate Auction, 6th $1300 NL Auction, 8th $125 Sat, 5th $125 Sat
2009: 1st Main Event, 1st Online Championship, 2nd Ultimate Auction, 4th $1300 NL Auction
2010: 14th Main Event, 3rd Online Championship, 2nd Live Double Play, 10th Live Double Play, 9th Auction Championship, 13th Ultimate Auction
Is this person Hall of Fame ready? Are these the type of credentials that warrant a spot in the inaugural NFBC Hall of Fame? You be the judge.
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DAVID LONGOOD
NFBC FACTS
Entered: 22 leagues since 2004
Won: 4 league titles (18.2%)
2nd: 2 times (27.3% in Top 2)
3rd: 3 (40.9% in money)
4th: 2
5th: 0
6th: 4
7th: 0 (68.2% in top half)
Other finishes: 9th (2), 10th, 11th, 12th (2), 13th.
Main Events: 7
1st: 1
2nd: 0
3rd: 1 (cashed 28.6%)
4th: 2
6th: 1
9th: 1
11th: 1
David and his two sons have won three Ultimate Auction League titles, an NFBC record, and they won their first Main Event League title in 2010 while placing sixth overall. They are now third in the NFBC in the Money Leaders list with $142,360. Three $40,000 checks will do that for ya. They admittedly have had more success in auctions than drafts, having finished overall in the main event 150th, 31st, 196th, 68th, 167th, 104th and 6th.
My records might be off slightly, but David has spent approximately $40,500 in NFBC entry fees and has won $142,360.
Again, David has won titles in the following formats:
Main Event (1)
Ultimate Auction League (3)
David also has a second place finish in the $1250 Mixed Auction League and the 12-team Online Championship.
Here's David's resume in the NFBC:
2004: 11th Main Event
2005: 3rd Main Event, 1st Ultimate Auction
2006: 9th Main Event, 6th Ultimate Auction
2007: 4th Main, 1st Ultimate Auction, 2nd $1250 Mixed Auction
2008: 6th Main Event, 3rd $1250 Mixed Auction, 13th Ultimate Auction
2009: 4th Main Event, 1st Ultimate Auction, 2nd Online Championship, 12th Online Championship, 6th $500 Sat, 6th $1300 Mixed Auction
2010: 1st Main Event, 3rd Ultimate Auction, 9th Online DP, 12th Online DP, 10th Auction Championship
Is this person Hall of Fame ready? Are these the type of credentials that warrant a spot in the inaugural NFBC Hall of Fame? You be the judge.
NFBC FACTS
Entered: 22 leagues since 2004
Won: 4 league titles (18.2%)
2nd: 2 times (27.3% in Top 2)
3rd: 3 (40.9% in money)
4th: 2
5th: 0
6th: 4
7th: 0 (68.2% in top half)
Other finishes: 9th (2), 10th, 11th, 12th (2), 13th.
Main Events: 7
1st: 1
2nd: 0
3rd: 1 (cashed 28.6%)
4th: 2
6th: 1
9th: 1
11th: 1
David and his two sons have won three Ultimate Auction League titles, an NFBC record, and they won their first Main Event League title in 2010 while placing sixth overall. They are now third in the NFBC in the Money Leaders list with $142,360. Three $40,000 checks will do that for ya. They admittedly have had more success in auctions than drafts, having finished overall in the main event 150th, 31st, 196th, 68th, 167th, 104th and 6th.
My records might be off slightly, but David has spent approximately $40,500 in NFBC entry fees and has won $142,360.
Again, David has won titles in the following formats:
Main Event (1)
Ultimate Auction League (3)
David also has a second place finish in the $1250 Mixed Auction League and the 12-team Online Championship.
Here's David's resume in the NFBC:
2004: 11th Main Event
2005: 3rd Main Event, 1st Ultimate Auction
2006: 9th Main Event, 6th Ultimate Auction
2007: 4th Main, 1st Ultimate Auction, 2nd $1250 Mixed Auction
2008: 6th Main Event, 3rd $1250 Mixed Auction, 13th Ultimate Auction
2009: 4th Main Event, 1st Ultimate Auction, 2nd Online Championship, 12th Online Championship, 6th $500 Sat, 6th $1300 Mixed Auction
2010: 1st Main Event, 3rd Ultimate Auction, 9th Online DP, 12th Online DP, 10th Auction Championship
Is this person Hall of Fame ready? Are these the type of credentials that warrant a spot in the inaugural NFBC Hall of Fame? You be the judge.
Greg Ambrosius
Founder, National Fantasy Baseball Championship
General Manager, Consumer Fantasy Games at SportsHub Technologies
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Who Deserves To Be In The Inaugural Class Of NFBC Hall of Fame?
All of the people I'm posting I consider as candidates for this Hall of Fame. Certainly only a fraction of them will be part of this inaugural class, but I think it's still an honor to be part of the ballot. These are special, special players as you can see from these resumes, but in the end only the premiere candidates should make it in. Congrats to all of you considered for the HOF so far.
Greg Ambrosius
Founder, National Fantasy Baseball Championship
General Manager, Consumer Fantasy Games at SportsHub Technologies
Twitter - @GregAmbrosius
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Who Deserves To Be In The Inaugural Class Of NFBC Hall of Fame?
Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
In the high end games (Diamond and Ultimate), I'm about even in my NFBC career. This tells me, I'm not as good as I think. To be the best in this game, you have to be willing to take on anybody and everybody at any level to be a special player..
You know that I'm a cheap sombitch and will never be seen in a Diamond League. Zirconia, that's me.
Does it make me less of a player? I hope not.
[/QUOTE]Just think of it as Stephen Strasburg, he's an elite talent. What he does against single A players is nice, but we want to see what he does against major league talent.
We can use the main event as the baseline. It is the major leagues. The Super, Ultimate, and Diamonds leagues are the All Star leagues. Sure once in a while a coaches kid makes the team, but overall the players can play.
Some lower level leagues have just as much talent, but overall the fields aren't as deep with experienced NFBC players.
If you want to get extra credit for hitting .400 against rookie ball pitchers, I don't agree.
I don't think if you win at the lowest level it is a negative mark, but I do think the playing field is tougher as you move up the food chain. [/QUOTE]Poor analogy.
Let's put it in simpler terms.
If Steve, yourself, Dave, Lindy, et al play in a Diamond League, and the same group plays in a $500 league, you are beating yourself up for winning the $500, while not cashing in the Diamond League.
Nonsense!
Sure, the winner of the Diamond League can crow $$$ won, while you're collecting a measley $4,000 for your satelite or Shawn Childs League. But the win, is still the win. And still against great competition.
No matter how many dollars were plunked down to play.
The money drive comes near the end of the season. We do our best to place in the events that offer us the most money. Human Nature.
But to judge a players worth by his initial pocketbook and success in just expensive leagues is a mistake.
There are some fellas that play in a JBL CBS League that get a lot more of my respect than some of the hoidy toidy leagues that get a lot of attention. They have $10,000 to lose (and will ), others don't.
I'll put Gekko's accomplishment of cashing in 13 of 14 NFBC leagues against the winning of a lot of cash from any one league anytime.
All that said....
Is there anybody out there who would like to sponsor me for a Diamond League?
Anybody?....Anybody?.....Hello?....Is this thing working?....
quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
In the high end games (Diamond and Ultimate), I'm about even in my NFBC career. This tells me, I'm not as good as I think. To be the best in this game, you have to be willing to take on anybody and everybody at any level to be a special player..
You know that I'm a cheap sombitch and will never be seen in a Diamond League. Zirconia, that's me.
Does it make me less of a player? I hope not.
[/QUOTE]Just think of it as Stephen Strasburg, he's an elite talent. What he does against single A players is nice, but we want to see what he does against major league talent.
We can use the main event as the baseline. It is the major leagues. The Super, Ultimate, and Diamonds leagues are the All Star leagues. Sure once in a while a coaches kid makes the team, but overall the players can play.
Some lower level leagues have just as much talent, but overall the fields aren't as deep with experienced NFBC players.
If you want to get extra credit for hitting .400 against rookie ball pitchers, I don't agree.
I don't think if you win at the lowest level it is a negative mark, but I do think the playing field is tougher as you move up the food chain. [/QUOTE]Poor analogy.
Let's put it in simpler terms.
If Steve, yourself, Dave, Lindy, et al play in a Diamond League, and the same group plays in a $500 league, you are beating yourself up for winning the $500, while not cashing in the Diamond League.
Nonsense!
Sure, the winner of the Diamond League can crow $$$ won, while you're collecting a measley $4,000 for your satelite or Shawn Childs League. But the win, is still the win. And still against great competition.
No matter how many dollars were plunked down to play.
The money drive comes near the end of the season. We do our best to place in the events that offer us the most money. Human Nature.
But to judge a players worth by his initial pocketbook and success in just expensive leagues is a mistake.
There are some fellas that play in a JBL CBS League that get a lot more of my respect than some of the hoidy toidy leagues that get a lot of attention. They have $10,000 to lose (and will
), others don't.I'll put Gekko's accomplishment of cashing in 13 of 14 NFBC leagues against the winning of a lot of cash from any one league anytime.
All that said....
Is there anybody out there who would like to sponsor me for a Diamond League?
Anybody?....Anybody?.....Hello?....Is this thing working?....
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Who Deserves To Be In The Inaugural Class Of NFBC Hall of Fame?
Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
All of the people I'm posting I consider as candidates for this Hall of Fame. Certainly only a fraction of them will be part of this inaugural class, but I think it's still an honor to be part of the ballot. These are special, special players as you can see from these resumes, but in the end only the premiere candidates should make it in. Congrats to all of you considered for the HOF so far. No doubt all deserve to be on the ballot. Well done Greg.
And 7 years is definitely not too soon. That's already 5-6 years longer than some contests last.
All of the people I'm posting I consider as candidates for this Hall of Fame. Certainly only a fraction of them will be part of this inaugural class, but I think it's still an honor to be part of the ballot. These are special, special players as you can see from these resumes, but in the end only the premiere candidates should make it in. Congrats to all of you considered for the HOF so far. No doubt all deserve to be on the ballot. Well done Greg.
And 7 years is definitely not too soon. That's already 5-6 years longer than some contests last.
Who Deserves To Be In The Inaugural Class Of NFBC Hall of Fame?
Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
Poor analogy.
Let's put it in simpler terms.
If Steve, yourself, Dave, Lindy, et al play in a Diamond League, and the same group plays in a $500 league, you are beating yourself up for winning the $500, while not cashing in the Diamond League.
Nonsense!
Sure, the winner of the Diamond League can crow $$$ won, while you're collecting a measley $4,000 for your satelite or Shawn Childs League. But the win, is still the win. And still against great competition.
No matter how many dollars were plunked down to play.
The money drive comes near the end of the season. We do our best to place in the events that offer us the most money. Human Nature.
But to judge a players worth by his initial pocketbook and success in just expensive leagues is a mistake.
There are some fellas that play in a JBL CBS League that get a lot more of my respect than some of the hoidy toidy leagues that get a lot of attention. They have $10,000 to lose (and will ), others don't.
I'll put Gekko's accomplishment of cashing in 13 of 14 NFBC leagues against the winning of a lot of cash from any one league anytime.
All that said....
Is there anybody out there who would like to sponsor me for a Diamond League?
Anybody?....Anybody?.....Hello?....Is this thing working?.... Gotta disagree Dough. More competitive intensity/focus in the Ultimate than lower priced lges. I suspect most who compete in them would agree. It's most noticable when it comes to getting quality players from the waiver pool - you've gotta spend more or be a week or two early, even with the same group of owners.
... it's kinda like saying an MLB playoff game has the same intensity of a regular season game between the same clubs ...
[ October 21, 2010, 04:15 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
Poor analogy.
Let's put it in simpler terms.
If Steve, yourself, Dave, Lindy, et al play in a Diamond League, and the same group plays in a $500 league, you are beating yourself up for winning the $500, while not cashing in the Diamond League.
Nonsense!
Sure, the winner of the Diamond League can crow $$$ won, while you're collecting a measley $4,000 for your satelite or Shawn Childs League. But the win, is still the win. And still against great competition.
No matter how many dollars were plunked down to play.
The money drive comes near the end of the season. We do our best to place in the events that offer us the most money. Human Nature.
But to judge a players worth by his initial pocketbook and success in just expensive leagues is a mistake.
There are some fellas that play in a JBL CBS League that get a lot more of my respect than some of the hoidy toidy leagues that get a lot of attention. They have $10,000 to lose (and will
), others don't.I'll put Gekko's accomplishment of cashing in 13 of 14 NFBC leagues against the winning of a lot of cash from any one league anytime.
All that said....
Is there anybody out there who would like to sponsor me for a Diamond League?
Anybody?....Anybody?.....Hello?....Is this thing working?.... Gotta disagree Dough. More competitive intensity/focus in the Ultimate than lower priced lges. I suspect most who compete in them would agree. It's most noticable when it comes to getting quality players from the waiver pool - you've gotta spend more or be a week or two early, even with the same group of owners.
... it's kinda like saying an MLB playoff game has the same intensity of a regular season game between the same clubs ...
[ October 21, 2010, 04:15 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
Who Deserves To Be In The Inaugural Class Of NFBC Hall of Fame?
I'll agree to disagree that the intensity is any less in a Main League.
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As someone who's competed and not had success in Ultimates and Supers I can say they are head and shoulders tougher than main events. Don't get me wrong the main event is the real deal but you still may have 3-5 sub par owners per league. I would say the same thing for satellites being easier than the main event.
Every year when I find out who's in my league I scan the lifetime rankings and its glaring the talent in the room for the supers, diamonds, and ultimates. Of course there are others who have just as much skill but can't afford or choose not to.
Every year when I find out who's in my league I scan the lifetime rankings and its glaring the talent in the room for the supers, diamonds, and ultimates. Of course there are others who have just as much skill but can't afford or choose not to.
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Who Deserves To Be In The Inaugural Class Of NFBC Hall of Fame?
Originally posted by Red Sox Nation:
As someone who's competed and not had success in Ultimates and Supers I can say they are head and shoulders tougher than main events. Don't get me wrong the main event is the real deal but you still may have 3-5 sub par owners per league. I would say the same thing for satellites being easier than the main event.
Every year when I find out who's in my league I scan the lifetime rankings and its glaring the talent in the room for the supers, diamonds, and ultimates. Of course there are others who have just as much skill but can't afford or choose not to. The last sentence sums it up for me.
I've played in a Super and didn't feel that much more intensity from the competitors. Moreso from myself.
I'm like the guy who gets mugged.
The robber saying, "Your money or your life!" After waiting a bit, he repeats, "YOUR MONEY OR YOUR LIFE!!"
My response,"I'm thinking, I'm thinking!!"
As someone who's competed and not had success in Ultimates and Supers I can say they are head and shoulders tougher than main events. Don't get me wrong the main event is the real deal but you still may have 3-5 sub par owners per league. I would say the same thing for satellites being easier than the main event.
Every year when I find out who's in my league I scan the lifetime rankings and its glaring the talent in the room for the supers, diamonds, and ultimates. Of course there are others who have just as much skill but can't afford or choose not to. The last sentence sums it up for me.
I've played in a Super and didn't feel that much more intensity from the competitors. Moreso from myself.
I'm like the guy who gets mugged.
The robber saying, "Your money or your life!" After waiting a bit, he repeats, "YOUR MONEY OR YOUR LIFE!!"
My response,"I'm thinking, I'm thinking!!"
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Wait! I never had the perfect draft!
Wait! I never had the perfect draft!
Who Deserves To Be In The Inaugural Class Of NFBC Hall of Fame?
Greg, you are up on the MB Draft.
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