SGPs

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:31 am

Maybe we should ask your wife..Euclid..I'm I saying her name right?

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:28 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

Maybe we should ask your wife..Euclid..I'm I saying her name right? Don't tell my fiance!

Actually, the key to using batting average rather than hits is that if your baseline is .270 and you have a player who hits .280 the computer is going to think all your players hit 10 points over the baseline and give you way too many points. The key is to divide it by the number of hitters on your roster (14 for the NFBC). Then you multiply by the at bat percentage I mentioned in the other post.

Your hits might be fine but you can use the same formula for WHIP and ERA and it is simpler than converting everything first.

Ronald Esq · Post by **Ronald Esq** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:40 am

The divide by 14 works, but a better way is to find the average AB that all the draft worthy hitters will amass, then multiple that by 14. Then take each player's AB divided by the 14-player AB total. The number should be somewhere near 7000-7200.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:00 am

Originally posted by Ronald Esq:

The divide by 14 works, but a better way is to find the average AB that all the draft worthy hitters will amass, then multiple that by 14. Then take each player's AB divided by the 14-player AB total. The number should be somewhere near 7000-7200. What you want to know is how many at bats each of your 14 positions will amass, not how many at bats 14 players will amass because those guys aren't static on your roster. You take them out when they get sent down or injured and replace them. Depending on the way you do the math you can use the average position on an NFBC team or the total at bats on a typical NFBC team and that's fine but if you just use 14 typical players the number will be too low.

Ronald Esq · Post by **Ronald Esq** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:24 am

That's probably true, so the number will be a little higher than my range.

Dodger Blues · Post by **Dodger Blues** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:55 am

Haven't joined in the discussion since my thread starter, simply because my question was right out of the gate. On the other hand, it's been interesting to see the follow-up posts/replies. Ranging from those that had never heard of SGPs, to those that have apparently modified Art McGee's SGP original valuation exercise to meet their particular comfort zone.

Granted, McGee's SGP valuation method is predicated on an auction system. Whereas, the NFBC is primarily drafted-oriented. Nonetheless, I've always thought that McGee's SGP methodology is not a bad starting point at the beginning of any new season. Even for a draft leagues...

Dodger Blues · Post by **Dodger Blues** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:58 am

...was right out of the gate. Should read as: answered right out of the gate.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:17 am

Originally posted by Dodger Blues:

...was right out of the gate. Should read as: answered right out of the gate. The little pencil on your screen is for editing...

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:21 am

Originally posted by Dodger Blues:

Haven't joined in the discussion since my thread starter, simply because my question was right out of the gate. On the other hand, it's been interesting to see the follow-up posts/replies. Ranging from those that had never heard of SGPs, to those that have apparently modified Art McGee's SGP original valuation exercise to meet their particular comfort zone.

Granted, McGee's SGP valuation method is predicated on an auction system. Whereas, the NFBC is primarily drafted-oriented. Nonetheless, I've always thought that McGee's SGP methodology is not a bad starting point at the beginning of any new season. Even for a draft leagues... I do my own valuations and approached this thread as though we were discussing valuations rather than SGPs specifically. They all have commonalities.

Not to ruffle any feathers, but I am weirded out when people show up to the NFBC snake draft with auction valuations, like "Hanley is worth $30!" No, really, he's not.

Don't get me wrong; that's cool that people have a defined hierarchal system and it could be better than mine in some ways (and certainly more useful in an auction), but I want the numbers to mean something so I use points that are representative of the NFBC overall. Moreover, I don't want my zero value to be average or replacement level. My goal isn't for my team to be average or replacement level so I couldn't really care less about that. I want to know if a player is helping me to win a hundred large. If he's positive then he's doing more than his share. If he's negative he needs someone else to pick him up. When you can see that Pujols is a +218 and your catcher is a -218 it gives you a lot more perspective about the players you are placing on your roster.

Dodger Blues · Post by **Dodger Blues** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:42 pm

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Dodger Blues:

...was right out of the gate. Should read as: answered right out of the gate. The little pencil on your screen is for editing... [/QUOTE]Got it, man... This NFBC newbie is still learnin' my way around...

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:20 pm

Originally posted by Dodger Blues:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Dodger Blues:

...was right out of the gate. Should read as: answered right out of the gate. The little pencil on your screen is for editing... [/QUOTE]Got it, man... This NFBC newbie is still learnin' my way around... [/QUOTE]Are you in Korea now?

Hells Satans · Post by **Hells Satans** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:47 pm

I do something like this for the ME, but utilize the average stats of the teams that finished around 190th place in each category as my replacement level. I then pick my target stat for each category (let's say 40th place). You'll find a remarkable year to year consistency in the delta between those two finishing spots in each category (or between pretty much any two finishing spots), even though the totals change year to year.

I'm then able to normalize the 5 categories by comparing what is required to reach the target from the replacement level. Most of the players end up being valued negatively, but the numbers themselves don't matter as much as the comparative values.

Juan LYB · Post by **Juan LYB** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:18 am

Doger Blues - Glad to see you over here. If you get a chance read some of the Doughboy threads. Kind of reminds me of somebody with similar initials and an IC board.

Take care and good luck this year!

Dodger Blues · Post by **Dodger Blues** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 4:51 pm

Whazzup, Juan!? Thought I'd give the NFBC a shot (read: donation) this year to see what all the fuss was about. Saw your display name elsewhere on another board I think and thought that might be you, but I was too lazy to check the profile . Still a lotta discussion and questions all over the place surrounding salcap game alternatives. Just hope it all works out well for everyone...

Dodger Blues · Post by **Dodger Blues** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 4:54 pm

Yeah, CC's Desperados... Currently in Korea. Been here since Jan. '05. Workin' as a Department of Defense civilian for the Army...