All Time Baseball Draft

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:31 pm

Here's the signup list:

1-Shawn Childs

2-Rick Thomas

3-Todd Zola (Spreadsheet)

4-Dave Shovein

5-Mark (Mbendar16)

6-Russel (Naval Lint)

7-Steve Wells

8-Kelly (Suburban Strugglers)

9-Neal Moses

10-Texas Connection

11-Brian Slack (GLG20)

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13-

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15-

Likewhat17 · Post by **Likewhat17** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:56 am

Only 4 more teams needed, let's get this thing filled up and get rolling!

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:56 pm

Originally posted by :

I'd like to participate, but I'm not really interested in the NFBC main team entry-- you guys are too good! Would you consider a cash payout instead? The CDM guys know me as "The Fool". [email protected] No cash payout...sorry....there are plenty of players that would like to win an entry in the NFBC. The CDM boys would also say it's time to play in the big leagues. If you win, you gain a year's experience for $100 instead of paying the full price.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 2:07 pm

if you'll have me, i'd like to sign up. no need to go anonymous in this one

Asumijet · Post by **Asumijet** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 2:09 pm

Shawn-

A few questions for you-

1) Is the position eligibility based on the year they gained the stats or is it the year prior. For example, the first year ARod became a Yankee and player 3B, he was eligible for fantasy purposes for SS and gained 3B eligibility. Thus 3B and SS eligible for our purposes or just 3B eligible for that year?

2) Do we have a standard stats source that everyone has access to? Would hate for there to be an error in a stat source. I have been using mlb.com.

3) Since we are not using the pre-1900 players and the high pitching innings from that error, any consideration for decreasing the inning requirement total?

4) KDS?

Thanks.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:11 pm

Here's the signup list:

1-Shawn Childs

2-Rick Thomas

3-Todd Zola (Spreadsheet)

4-Dave Shovein

5-Mark (Mbendar16)

6-Russel (Naval Lint)

7-Steve Wells

8-Kelly (Suburban Strugglers)

9-Neal Moses

10-Texas Connection

11-Brian Slack (GLG20)

12-Mark Sebro

13-The King of the Hill

14-

15-

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:24 pm

Originally posted by Asumijet:

Shawn-

A few questions for you-

1) Is the position eligibility based on the year they gained the stats or is it the year prior. For example, the first year ARod became a Yankee and player 3B, he was eligible for fantasy purposes for SS and gained 3B eligibility. Thus 3B and SS eligible for our purposes or just 3B eligible for that year?

2) Do we have a standard stats source that everyone has access to? Would hate for there to be an error in a stat source. I have been using mlb.com.

3) Since we are not using the pre-1900 players and the high pitching innings from that error, any consideration for decreasing the inning requirement total?

4) KDS?

Thanks. 1-I think the player should only qualify in the year he played a position as we have the results. So if A-Rod only played 3RD during the year, he should qualify at that position only.

2- I suggest we use Baseball-Reference.com for our stats. It is the easiest site to get all the stats we need.

3-How about 1300? A team can go 6 or 7 starters and still make the innings.

4-sure

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:48 pm

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

1-I think the player should only qualify in the year he played a position as we have the results. So if A-Rod only played 3RD during the year, he should qualify at that position only.

Shawn - if a player played 20+ games at 2 different positions in the same year, is he eligible at either position?

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:15 pm

Originally posted by :

Haha, if that's me in the lucky 13 spot... I'm certainly no "King"! Just to clarify rules on an earlier post- your example re. only a single Babe Ruth season allowed also means when somebody snags him as an OF that makes him ineligible as a pitcher too, correct? How many decimal places do you use in the ratio stats? I'd vote for "as far as needed to break ties". I'm looking forward to matching wits with you experts. Thanks. Only one Babe Ruth, the lucky winner can decide the year and his stats. I guess in his case or any player similar, you can only get hitting or pitching stats...not both.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:16 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

1-I think the player should only qualify in the year he played a position as we have the results. So if A-Rod only played 3RD during the year, he should qualify at that position only.

Shawn - if a player played 20+ at 2 different positions in the same year, is he eligible at either position? [/QUOTE]Yes

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:04 pm

Originally posted by :

Will somebody be checking position eligibility as we draft? I'll handle this one and let Shawn address the rest but as part of my spreadsheet duties, I will also be the roster policeman, though I suspect we will do a pretty good job of catching errors as they are posted.

Texas Connection · Post by **Texas Connection** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:28 pm

I keep wondering if the guy with the last pick of the last round could be out of the running but could make his pick and determine who he wants to win it. I guess it could be a $1400 decision. Jon Stadtmueller

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:11 pm

Originally posted by Texas Connection:

I keep wondering if the guy with the last pick of the last round could be out of the running but could make his pick and determine who he wants to win it. I guess it could be a $1400 decision. Jon Stadtmueller I’ve considered the same thing. I wouldn’t want to use the word “collusion”, I think that would be somewhat insulting in this group, but clearly when we get toward the end game, one or two owners could steer the final results in one direction or another.

I know part of the exercise of doing this league is to post players on the message board and to talk about the great seasons they had, to learn some of the history of the game.

I am planning to make a short write up about each player I take, whether it is about the stats themselves or the historical context during which they were earned. I would do that because the history of the game is just something that I’m into and would love to share some of it with other baseball fans.

That being said, I think that at some point we should just announce on the MB the player we are taking, but not the year. This means we would have to send our actual Player with Year Pick to a neutral party. I haven’t talked to anyone about this, but I would be happy to make a suggestion since he is not playing........ Dan (DOUGHBOYS)....Sorry to put you on the spot like that

(I’d be happy to add another $5? per team to cover his time).

The question is, what would be the proper number of picks to “hide”? I don’t know.

Should it be the last five? Maybe the middle 10? Or maybe the first five, when great players like Ruth have several seasons to choose from. Or hide no player years?

Nevadaman · Post by **Nevadaman** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:36 pm

Excellent points. I would say hide last round only. By that point, the result may be hard to alter anyway, but it would prevent collusion or the appearance of impropriety. Can't wait to get started!

Nevadaman · Post by **Nevadaman** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:42 pm

Forgot to add that I'm in favor of keeping the 1500 innings because these historical seasons have many starters going 300+ and even some 400+. We should avoid gimmick strategies. As it is, one will be able to have 0-4 relievers and that's more in line with the spirit of the game and reality.

Asumijet · Post by **Asumijet** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:10 am

Originally posted by Nevadaman:

Forgot to add that I'm in favor of keeping the 1500 innings because these historical seasons have many starters going 300+ and even some 400+. We should avoid gimmick strategies. As it is, one will be able to have 0-4 relievers and that's more in line with the spirit of the game and reality. Is "0" reliveres in the spirit of the game and reality?

Some players may want to wait on the more modern day pitching perfornamces of 200-225 innings. If we have to hit 1500 innings, we force ourselves to take a 400 inning pitcher or two.

I think with perfect information and absent a requirement to have x number RP or SP, an innings requirement is probably unnecessary in this game. But, I know Shawn's opinion on such gimmick strategies; thus I think the 1300 inn is reasonable and opens the player pool a bit more.

This league is going to be fun. Yeah, the end game could be a bit of a problem. Lets say I have the last pick and two players can win, that last pick will determine the winner. Not sure how you fix that. Even a blind last round is not enough.

Asumijet · Post by **Asumijet** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:30 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Asumijet:

Shawn-

A few questions for you-

1) Is the position eligibility based on the year they gained the stats or is it the year prior. For example, the first year ARod became a Yankee and player 3B, he was eligible for fantasy purposes for SS and gained 3B eligibility. Thus 3B and SS eligible for our purposes or just 3B eligible for that year?

2) Do we have a standard stats source that everyone has access to? Would hate for there to be an error in a stat source. I have been using mlb.com.

3) Since we are not using the pre-1900 players and the high pitching innings from that error, any consideration for decreasing the inning requirement total?

4) KDS?

Thanks. 1-I think the player should only qualify in the year he played a position as we have the results. So if A-Rod only played 3RD during the year, he should qualify at that position only.

2- I suggest we use Baseball-Reference.com for our stats. It is the easiest site to get all the stats we need.

3-How about 1300? A team can go 6 or 7 starters and still make the innings.

4-sure [/QUOTE]Do we need a subscription to use the site? Or am I looking in the wrong place?

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:46 am

Originally posted by Navel Lint:

quote:Originally posted by Texas Connection:

I keep wondering if the guy with the last pick of the last round could be out of the running but could make his pick and determine who he wants to win it. I guess it could be a $1400 decision. Jon Stadtmueller I’ve considered the same thing. I wouldn’t want to use the word “collusion”, I think that would be somewhat insulting in this group, but clearly when we get toward the end game, one or two owners could steer the final results in one direction or another.

I know part of the exercise of doing this league is to post players on the message board and to talk about the great seasons they had, to learn some of the history of the game.

I am planning to make a short write up about each player I take, whether it is about the stats themselves or the historical context during which they were earned. I would do that because the history of the game is just something that I’m into and would love to share some of it with other baseball fans.

That being said, I think that at some point we should just announce on the MB the player we are taking, but not the year. This means we would have to send our actual Player with Year Pick to a neutral party. I haven’t talked to anyone about this, but I would be happy to make a suggestion since he is not playing........ Dan (DOUGHBOYS)....Sorry to put you on the spot like that

(I’d be happy to add another $5? per team to cover his time).

The question is, what would be the proper number of picks to “hide”? I don’t know.

Should it be the last five? Maybe the middle 10? Or maybe the first five, when great players like Ruth have several seasons to choose from. Or hide no player years? [/QUOTE]I'd be glad to help.

No $$$ required.

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 3:12 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by Navel Lint:

quote:Originally posted by Texas Connection:

I keep wondering if the guy with the last pick of the last round could be out of the running but could make his pick and determine who he wants to win it. I guess it could be a $1400 decision. Jon Stadtmueller I’ve considered the same thing. I wouldn’t want to use the word “collusion”, I think that would be somewhat insulting in this group, but clearly when we get toward the end game, one or two owners could steer the final results in one direction or another.

I know part of the exercise of doing this league is to post players on the message board and to talk about the great seasons they had, to learn some of the history of the game.

I am planning to make a short write up about each player I take, whether it is about the stats themselves or the historical context during which they were earned. I would do that because the history of the game is just something that I’m into and would love to share some of it with other baseball fans.

That being said, I think that at some point we should just announce on the MB the player we are taking, but not the year. This means we would have to send our actual Player with Year Pick to a neutral party. I haven’t talked to anyone about this, but I would be happy to make a suggestion since he is not playing........ Dan (DOUGHBOYS)....Sorry to put you on the spot like that

(I’d be happy to add another $5? per team to cover his time).

The question is, what would be the proper number of picks to “hide”? I don’t know.

Should it be the last five? Maybe the middle 10? Or maybe the first five, when great players like Ruth have several seasons to choose from. Or hide no player years? [/QUOTE]I'd be glad to help.

No $$$ required. [/QUOTE]Thanks Dan.

I posted this idea late last night, and then went to bed. As I laid there thinking about it, I’ll not sure how much it would help. After all, there are only a scant few players that when picked it wouldn’t be known with high certainty which season of that player is being used.

I don’t know what the answer to this “problem” is. Maybe it’s not a problem at all. But I am open to any suggestion that people have.

I’m looking forward to starting this league.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 3:26 am

Each drafter could have one or two blind picks (whatever you guys decide) sent to my e-mail address at any time during the draft.

I can monitor the draft and without revealing which team took a player, tell drafters that a player is off the board. This idea is not fail-safe of course.

Just a suggestion.