Triple Play Main Event Prize $300,000, proposal

[KJ Duke]

As I continue to think this through, I like it less and less. It becomes a game of the haves and have nots. You've already separated the masses with the Diamonds, Ultimates and Supers. Do you really need to continue to throw it in their face when they step up to the Main Event? You can play with the "Big Boys" but unless you step up with additional money you can't take home all of the money.

I get it's a side pot and I'd participate, but this is going to alienate people. The elite and well to do players have their spots to compete and now want to take it to another level. The new players will quit arriving, which will be great for the Primetime. We all know that 400+ competed last year and we all know that only a fraction of them could actually win.

I knew if anyone could put a negative spin on this it would be you, Joe. You are the endless victim getting taken advantage of by someone who has what you don't. Give it a rest, if you don't like it move on and stop trying to play saboteur. It's a simple, simple, simple concept for people that are intelligent enough to have a chance to compete anyway.

Either raise the entry fee for all or raise them for no one.

That is in fact, what would kill the contest ... which is probably what you're hoping for so that your 12-team contest can reign King. Not gonna happen buddy.

[Glenneration X]

Joe, in the DC Championships, they have different entry levels that pay out different league prizes. KJ's Main Event concept is exactly the same but on the Overall level.

Are you telling me there are players out there playing in $150 DC's that feel like separated masses because they only cash $1500 for winning their DC, while there's $8K going to the winner of Max's elitist $1000 DC? Are they feeling alienated? I didn't think so. Because they chose what they were willing to pay towards that fantasy baseball contest and I'm guessing most don't begrudge others doing likewise. The same would apply here.

In fact, now that I think about it, KJ's concept is very similar to the origin of your beloved live 12-team event, the Live DP. That contest shared in the Overall prize pool of the Online Championships, but had it's own separate prize pool as well made up from an increased entry fee. I don't recall anyone claiming alienation then. Confusion yes, alienation no.

[Money]

As I continue to think this through, I like it less and less. It becomes a game of the haves and have nots. You've already separated the masses with the Diamonds, Ultimates and Supers. Do you really need to continue to throw it in their face when they step up to the Main Event? You can play with the "Big Boys" but unless you step up with additional money you can't take home all of the money.

I get it's a side pot and I'd participate, but this is going to alienate people. The elite and well to do players have their spots to compete and now want to take it to another level. The new players will quit arriving, which will be great for the Primetime. We all know that 400+ competed last year and we all know that only a fraction of them could actually win.

I knew if anyone could put a negative spin on this it would be you, Joe. You are the endless victim getting taken advantage of by someone who has what you don't. Give it a rest, if you don't like it move on and stop trying to play saboteur. It's a simple, simple, simple concept for people that are intelligent enough to have a chance to compete anyway.

Either raise the entry fee for all or raise them for no one.

That is in fact, what would kill the contest ... which is probably what you're hoping for so that your 12-team contest can reign King. Not gonna happen buddy.

So opinions opposite of yours are not allowed or open for debate? How dare anyone challenge the old guard here. Sorry KJ but I'll move on when I'm told to by the NFBC. Your bullying attitude is exactly why these boards suck sometimes. Either agree or move on? I think not.

[Money]

Joe, in the DC Championships, they have different entry levels that pay out different league prizes. KJ's Main Event concept is exactly the same but on the Overall level.

Are you telling me there are players out there playing in $150 DC's that feel like separated masses because they only cash $1500 for winning their DC, while there's $8K going to the winner of Max's elitist $1000 DC? Are they feeling alienated? I didn't think so. Because they chose what they were willing to pay towards that fantasy baseball contest and I'm guessing most don't begrudge others doing likewise. The same would apply here.

In fact, now that I think about it, KJ's concept is very similar to the origin of your beloved live 12-team event, the Live DP. That contest shared in the Overall prize pool of the Online Championships, but had it's own separate prize pool as well made up from an increased entry fee. I don't recall anyone claiming alienation then. Confusion yes, alienation no.

I understand your point Glenn, but the DC overall championship carry's no weight around here. Comparing it the the overall main event championship is not relative in my opinion.

[Gekko]

Haha! The only thing that "carries weight around here" for me is profit margin

[Greg Ambrosius]

Joe, I like the idea of side events and applaud anyone who can come up with a good idea to make our Main Event more relevant. Last year I mentioned an idea we had here called the Draft Slot Challenge, which would have been a similar side game with your current Main Event team at $100 a pop. But with 15 different prizes, I don't think it had any chance of making the Main Event more relevant like this current idea because each Draft Slot prize would have been minimal.

Honestly, the Main Event remains extremely important in our industry whether the grand prize is $100,000, $125,000, $200,000 or $1 million. It's the industry's premiere live event over the last 10 years and the toughest competition in the industry. There's no disputing that. We'll be advertising our grand prize of our signature event everywhere we promote the NFBC. For some folks, this is their most important league of the season and they save their pennies for one team in this contest. Heck, even raising the entry fee a little bit for some owners is disconcerting.

But if some of our die-hards want to put additional money in a side contest with a winner-take-all grand prize, why should that HURT the Main Event? Heck, I can see this working equally well if not better in football. If there are enough owners who want to put in $500 on top of their entry for the Main Event and have one additional prize of $50,000 or more, why not meet that demand?

That being said, let's see if the demand is there for a Double Play before trying to turn three. You're talking about another guaranteed prize on our behalf and we need more than a hunch to pull that off. But knowing our audience, there is no doubt in my mind that there is some merit to this plan and we believe it's a plan worth pursuing as a Double Play first. That would be $500 on top of your Main Event entry and the team from that pool of competitors wins the one and only additional prize. Solid idea if demand is there.

[ToddZ]

Greg can better speak to this with all his years in the mag business, but I'll try.

For YEARS, the mock draft featured in the fantasy baseball magazines were 12-teamers.

Now, almost all have gone to 15-teamers. Granted, there is an ancillary benefit of inviting more participants, but the primary driving force is four words.

eN
eF
Bee
Cee

The 15-team league is here to stay.

[Money]

Joe, I like the idea of side events and applaud anyone who can come up with a good idea to make our Main Event more relevant. Last year I mentioned an idea we had here called the Draft Slot Challenge, which would have been a similar side game with your current Main Event team at $100 a pop. But with 15 different prizes, I don't think it had any chance of making the Main Event more relevant like this current idea because each Draft Slot prize would have been minimal.

Honestly, the Main Event remains extremely important in our industry whether the grand prize is $100,000, $125,000, $200,000 or $1 million. It's the industry's premiere live event over the last 10 years and the toughest competition in the industry. There's no disputing that. We'll be advertising our grand prize of our signature event everywhere we promote the NFBC. For some folks, this is their most important league of the season and they save their pennies for one team in this contest. Heck, even raising the entry fee a little bit for some owners is disconcerting.

But if some of our die-hards want to put additional money in a side contest with a winner-take-all grand prize, why should that HURT the Main Event? Heck, I can see this working equally well if not better in football. If there are enough owners who want to put in $500 on top of their entry for the Main Event and have one additional prize of $50,000 or more, why not meet that demand?

That being said, let's see if the demand is there for a Double Play before trying to turn three. You're talking about another guaranteed prize on our behalf and we need more than a hunch to pull that off. But knowing our audience, there is no doubt in my mind that there is some merit to this plan and we believe it's a plan worth pursuing as a Double Play first. That would be $500 on top of your Main Event entry and the team from that pool of competitors wins the one and only additional prize. Solid idea if demand is there.

Greg, I certainly don't begrudge or set out to play saboteur. I simply have an opinion on how to market multiple main event contests. This is not how I'd do it, but that's ok. Dissenting opinions are usually allowed around here, but oh boy, go against the old guard and your playing with fire. I agree with a lot of the premise behind the addition to this contest. What I struggle with (from a marketing standpoint) is the marketing of multiple events at multiple price points all with varying grand prizes. The consumer will become confused. Will I compete in it? Probably, but only at the highest level. I'm not putting a dollar into a 5 dollar slot machine, never have, never will. Others will feel the same way, only to decide not pony up the extra money.

I thought I had my schedule set for next season, now I just need to wait and see what all of the different offerings are. If I don't participate in the main event, you're not losing much, I only entered it once last year and not at all the couple of years before that. Hell, I'd love to jump into the Platinum league if I thought I could beat that group in the 15 team format. I just don't think my odds of doing that are very good.

Good Luck with all of your new offerings this season.

[KJ Duke]

So opinions opposite of yours are not allowed or open for debate? How dare anyone challenge the old guard here. Sorry KJ but I'll move on when I'm told to by the NFBC. Your bullying attitude is exactly why these boards suck sometimes.

There have always been rulers and ruled, leaders and followers, the fortunate and the needy, the powerful and the weak. Various cultures have treated disparities in status, power, fortune, and ability in different ways. In the modern West the focus has been on freedom and choice, and the individual's control of destiny. In this Western worldview, inequalities and differences are often associated with injustice and victimization. Not only do people wish to claim the status of victim; the legal and political systems promote and legislate it as well.

Victimization is neither a recent nor especially North American phenomenon. The American culture has nevertheless provided a unique and increasingly fertile ground for the cultivation of victimization. The constitutional promise to all Americans that they have the right to the pursuit of happiness gives rise to the expectation that Americans are supposed to feel happy. Not feeling happy indicates some sort of failure. The victim says "it is definitely not my fault." We have become a nation of victims, where everyone is leapfrogging over each other, publicly competing for the status of victim, and where everyone is defined as some sort of survivor.

In claiming the status of victim and by assigning all blame to others, a person can achieve moral superiority while simultaneously disowning any responsibility for one's behavior and its outcome. The victims 'merely' seek justice and fairness. The victim stance is a powerful one. The victim is always morally right, neither responsible nor accountable, and forever entitled to sympathy. -Dr Zur


Well played.

[Outlaw]

Look no furthur than Ryan Bruan or Arod playing the ultimate sports victims...lol In all seriousness, its a shame these boards take on such tones, it renders the discussions useless...at least for me... I do not get why opinions cannot be respected, but I guess I'm in the minority these days anywhere...

[Greg Ambrosius]

Boy, we better get Draft Champions drafts started soon. The boys are restless.

Enough of the personal back and forth. There are some positive ideas and Joe is right, we need to make sure we communicate and promote the fact that we have two great contests. We want the 15-team and 12-team formats to grow and prosper this year as we have a lot of guaranteed money on the line. Can we do that? That's on us to make it happen.

The side contests -- if they happen -- shouldn't force folks to choose one contest over another. After all, this is a winner-take-all proposition for a good chunk of money. It won't appeal to everyone and it shouldn't. But for those who want more and like the pot odds, it could be very appealing and make competing in the Main Event even more of a must.

If it works here, why couldn't it be done elsewhere in future years, including the 12-teamer?

[BK METS]

Look no furthur than Ryan Bruan or Arod playing the ultimate sports victims...lol In all seriousness, its a shame these boards take on such tones, it renders the discussions useless...at least for me... I do not get why opinions cannot be respected, but I guess I'm in the minority these days anywhere...

Agreed. And if Met and Yankee fans can agree on something, there is hope for all of us!!

[KJ Duke]

When propaganda and mis-characterization are presented as an opinion, how do you handle it? That's a huge problem in all media. Look no further than MLB v A-Rod v Braun.

[TParsons]

We would be in once, twice, or three times...maybe more if they add more ME dates.

Can you puhleeese find another league besides mine???

Maybe we can get MtM to get this done, Dan.

Just busting your balls, Mike. I appreciate what you're trying to do here.

[Parnelli]

Why not just do another contest.... I wouldnt tinker with the main event unless everyone is envolved..

[TParsons]

So...what happened with the "side pot" action? I guess this is a no go? Seems like a pretty easy revenue stream, but sounds like it's lost steam. (might want to change the title so that those that weren't around back then aren't confused about the Main)

[Lunatic]

So...what happened with the "side pot" action? I guess this is a no go? Seems like a pretty easy revenue stream, but sounds like it's lost steam. (might want to change the title so that those that weren't around back then aren't confused about the Main)

Because gimmicks don't work, that's why.

[TParsons]

So...what happened with the "side pot" action? I guess this is a no go? Seems like a pretty easy revenue stream, but sounds like it's lost steam. (might want to change the title so that those that weren't around back then aren't confused about the Main)

Because gimmicks don't work, that's why.

Thanks, but I didn't ask why. I asked if it is a no go. You must be Greg and Tom's new assistant. Enjoy mustache shaving duties and shoveling snow with the ergonomic shovel. Although you appear to be "in the know" regarding the NFBC business practices, you should probably look up the term gimmick so that you don't use it incorrectly next time. Use your time wisely instead of lobbying for your minimum wage increase.

[Baseball Furies]

So...what happened with the "side pot" action? I guess this is a no go? Seems like a pretty easy revenue stream, but sounds like it's lost steam. (might want to change the title so that those that weren't around back then aren't confused about the Main)

Because gimmicks don't work, that's why.

Thanks, but I didn't ask why. I asked if it is a no go. You must be Greg and Tom's new assistant. Enjoy mustache shaving duties and shoveling snow with the ergonomic shovel. Although you appear to be "in the know" regarding the NFBC business practices, you should probably look up the term gimmick so that you don't use it incorrectly next time. Use your time wisely instead of lobbying for your minimum wage increase.

Oh snap! And people call me harsh! Actually anything that rips on and/or degrades Luny on these boards is just fine by me.

[Money]

Any "Side pot" should be done on the side and not be administered by the NFBC. Why would they possibly want to diminish the accomplishment of their top event by not giving the winner the ultimate prize?

It doesn't matter to me if it's a 12 or 15 team event, I will not participate in an overall prize pool where the winner does not max out. It shouldn't be mandatory to play for additional money in a national event to win the top prize, plain and simple.

I will not belabor or add any more input, simply know that I will withdrawal from any event with organized side pots administered by the NFBC.

Side note: I believe these side pots could benefit me, because I, like all of you, believe I can compete with the best.

[Baseball Furies]

Any "Side pot" should be done on the side and not be administered by the NFBC. Why would they possibly want to diminish the accomplishment of their top event by not giving the winner the ultimate prize?

It doesn't matter to me if it's a 12 or 15 team event, I will not participate in an overall prize pool where the winner does not max out. It shouldn't be mandatory to play for additional money in a national event to win the top prize, plain and simple.

I will not belabor or add any more input, simply know that I will withdrawal from any event with organized side pots administered by the NFBC.

Side note: I believe these side pots could benefit me, because I, like all of you, believe I can compete with the best.

Which is why you will unfortunately be settling most uncomfortably somewhere into the 10-15th spot in the standings of the Platinum event by the end of the 2014 baseball season, Joey.

[TParsons]

Oh snap! And people call me harsh! Actually anything that rips on and/or degrades Luny on these boards is just fine by me.

Now you're making me feel bad, Mikey. I do,however, feel a level of achievement in being compared to yourself in message board harshness.

Sorry, Luny. Nobody should be relegated to mustache duty.

Any "Side pot" should be done on the side and not be administered by the NFBC. Why would they possibly want to diminish the accomplishment of their top event by not giving the winner the ultimate prize?

It doesn't matter to me if it's a 12 or 15 team event, I will not participate in an overall prize pool where the winner does not max out. It shouldn't be mandatory to play for additional money in a national event to win the top prize, plain and simple.

I will not belabor or add any more input, simply know that I will withdrawal from any event with organized side pots administered by the NFBC.

Side note: I believe these side pots could benefit me, because I, like all of you, believe I can compete with the best.

Thanks Joe. I'm just wanting to know if it's a go or not. I'm not sure whether you are against the idea, or just against it because KJ is the one that started the thread, but I'll address your response anyways since you took the time to write it up. The winner of the Main Event and the Under card, or whatever it's called now, will max out the prize money in those events and will get the write ups, interviews, pics, Happy Gilmore check, etc. They will not, however get the funds for the side pot unless they pay to enter the side pot. In actuality, it's a separate contest, but uses the same draft. So now that we've cleared that up, are you in?

[Money]

Any "Side pot" should be done on the side and not be administered by the NFBC. Why would they possibly want to diminish the accomplishment of their top event by not giving the winner the ultimate prize?

It doesn't matter to me if it's a 12 or 15 team event, I will not participate in an overall prize pool where the winner does not max out. It shouldn't be mandatory to play for additional money in a national event to win the top prize, plain and simple.

I will not belabor or add any more input, simply know that I will withdrawal from any event with organized side pots administered by the NFBC.

Side note: I believe these side pots could benefit me, because I, like all of you, believe I can compete with the best.

Which is why you will unfortunately be settling most uncomfortably somewhere into the 10-15th spot in the standings of the Platinum event by the end of the 2014 baseball season, Joey.

[Money]

Oh snap! And people call me harsh! Actually anything that rips on and/or degrades Luny on these boards is just fine by me.

Now you're making me feel bad, Mikey. I do,however, feel a level of achievement in being compared to yourself in message board harshness.

Sorry, Luny. Nobody should be relegated to mustache duty.

Any "Side pot" should be done on the side and not be administered by the NFBC. Why would they possibly want to diminish the accomplishment of their top event by not giving the winner the ultimate prize?

It doesn't matter to me if it's a 12 or 15 team event, I will not participate in an overall prize pool where the winner does not max out. It shouldn't be mandatory to play for additional money in a national event to win the top prize, plain and simple.

I will not belabor or add any more input, simply know that I will withdrawal from any event with organized side pots administered by the NFBC.

Side note: I believe these side pots could benefit me, because I, like all of you, believe I can compete with the best.

Thanks Joe. I'm just wanting to know if it's a go or not. I'm not sure whether you are against the idea, or just against it because KJ is the one that started the thread, but I'll address your response anyways since you took the time to write it up. The winner of the Main Event and the Under card, or whatever it's called now, will max out the prize money in those events and will get the write ups, interviews, pics, Happy Gilmore check, etc. They will not, however get the funds for the side pot unless they pay to enter the side pot. In actuality, it's a separate contest, but uses the same draft. So now that we've cleared that up, are you in?

I am NOT in and will only participate in the 12 team Super and the 15 team Platinum if there are side pots.

It really has nothing to do with the author. I respect your want and need to add to the game, it's simply one that I think is detrimental to the NFBC. I'm a person of principal and will be guided by my conscience and beliefs. It doesn't make me right, I simply have the right to play and participate in the contests as I see fit.

[TParsons]

I am NOT in and will only participate in the 12 team Super and the 15 team Platinum if there are side pots.

It really has nothing to do with the author. I respect your want and need to add to the game, it's simply one that I think is detrimental to the NFBC. I'm a person of principal and will be guided by my conscience and beliefs. It doesn't make me right, I simply have the right to play and participate in the contests as I see fit.

Fair enough. I'm not sure why there is a need to threaten to drop out and insinuate that those in support some how lack principle. Interesting point of view, Joe.