What Was The Best Draft Spot In 2006?

The Lollygaggers · Post by **The Lollygaggers** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:57 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Fair enough and you know I'll run BBDS in the Ultimate Leagues if everyone wants that. Convince those 14 other owners in your league to use BBDS and I'll run it. Greg,

I’ll give it another shot this year. Just so you know, if we wind up splitting the Ultimate leagues between KDS & BBDS, there’s a chance I’ll play KDS if too many sharks sign up for blind bidding. I’ll take my chances with Tom pulling my name out of a hat if it means avoiding Gillis, DiDonata, Jupinka, Childs, et al.

As UFS keeps comically demonstrating to some imaginary straw man, owner skill is more important than draft slot.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:39 pm

I put it out to anyone to show me logical picks in my draft at 45/46 that would have provided value above their draft spot in Tampa 2. I applaud my leaguemates they left us nothing there. Rockwell, I'm not trying to pick a fight here (this time), but I really don't get your point. I don't need to look at your draft to tell you that there are a million guys who went later and outperformed tpical players at that slot. Start at round 20ish where Frank Thomas went. If you want a pitcher, I'm sure Brandon Webb was still available.

I recall telling you you should have taken Furcal there, btw.

[ September 21, 2006, 06:58 PM: Message edited by: bjoak ]

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:09 pm

Originally posted by bjoak:

quote: I put it out to anyone to show me logical picks in my draft at 45/46 that would have provided value above their draft spot in Tampa 2. I applaud my leaguemates they left us nothing there. Rockwell, I'm not trying to pick a fight here (this time), but I really don't get your point. I don't need to look at your draft to tell you that there are a million guys who went later and outperformed tpical players at that slot. Start at round 20ish where Frank Thomas went. If you want a pitcher, I'm sure Brandon Webb was still available.

I recall telling you you should have taken Furcal there, btw. [/QUOTE]Hello Captain obvious- with a mindset on draft day who would you have gone?

I am not trying to argue here or complain- I am trying to solicit other opinions on how it could have been handled. For instance Furcal would have been a better option. Although still not a homerun. I had him a little lower because frankly I thought he would miss the Bobby Cox cocoon and had gotten his contract. Maybe the whole 3rd and 4th round sucked in general and I just have tunnel vision. That outside of Ryan Howard may just be the case- man we wanted him at 45 even having him projected to hit 268.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:12 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

Greg- what teams drafted from 15 and are doing well. I would love to try and learn something from what they did. Swedes Crush Meatballs drafted from there and they are fourth or fifth overall. [/QUOTE]Yeah I looked at him- Morneau was his big find. If I was in his league I would have mumbled to my partner I like Morneau to bounce back but not that much for where he picked him.

That is why that guy is way ahead of me- good job.

For the record- picking Rich Harden has a hell of a lot more to do with us not doing as well as last year more than draft slot.

[ September 21, 2006, 07:15 PM: Message edited by: Chest Rockwell ]

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:41 pm

Yah, I forgot you took Harden. Well, since that was the problem why are you complaining? In retrospect those were solid picks, though Harden had some question marks on draft day. Boy, he showed today why he would have been a good pick if healthy. The guy doesn't even get a minor league inning in and K's 7 in 3.

I guess it was weak in hitters. If I had to take 2 I'd have gone Furcal/Holliday or maybe Mauer and you got Holliday in the 5th anyway. You could have also had your pick of the litter just before the closer run.

I had a similar problem in 4 and 5 despite my draft pick and went Street/Mauer. I recognize that your trouble stems from these seeming like 4/5 guys rather than 3/4 guys, but still, so what? Anyone in your spot who took any 3 of these guys 3/4/5 would be sitting pretty. And you know that I drafted all these guys based on my 2 drafts so I'm not just picking success stories.

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:52 pm

Chest,

I agree, I had 3 drafts where I was near the bottom 12/13/14 in all 3. Coming down 3 all the top 1b/of power hitters were gone (1 made it to me in 3 drafts-Konerko) leaving the top power hitting 3b's like Chavez/Ensberg/Blalock. All 3 mistakes. Coming back in 4 you had to reach-I liked a guy like Damon (he panned out) but I saw him taken usually near the end of 4 and start of 5. Being comfortable with a nice base (top 5 picks) helps you draft for balance the rest of the draft. I retro I could have done a better job 3-5 but at the time I didnt care for what was left for me.

Q

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:54 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

1st spot -- one 1stI am Neo, The One.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:57 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

1st spot -- one 1stI am Neo, The One.

[/QUOTE]Liar- that league was over before it started baseball tangent.com won it.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:31 am

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

1st spot -- one 1stI am Neo, The One.

[/QUOTE]Liar- that league was over before it started baseball tangent.com won it. [/QUOTE]LOL, Chest. Those self-proclaimed geniuses haven't even logged onto the website since July 2nd, and are currently in 14th place. They've avoided last place primarily because the bottom team hasn't logged onto the site since April 16th.

Joe Sambito · Post by **Joe Sambito** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:09 am

A very interesting thread, and some kind words from UFS. I must admit, we didn't hear those kind words post draft when we spoke to him, I think we heard more about his team.

I must also agree with Greg that Shawn Childs is the best at this. But just to get a mention, even as an after-thought is fine with us. We have yet to take home a league title. Hopefully this is the year, but after falling from 1st to 3rd in our league last year in the final week, and losing out to Chest Rockwell, we'll keep the yoo-hoo on ice for another week or so.

As for draft spots, we have preferences, but I would use very little, if any, FAAB to obtain them. Our success had just as much to do with Cuddyer and Byrnes in rounds 29 and 30, as it did with Santana in the 1st.

JEagle · Post by **JEagle** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:08 am

Chest,

No offense but it just sounds like bitter apples to me..you made some bad picks and has come back to haunt you. Get over it and move on. Ramdom draft picks have been the way since the roto leagues of Babe Ruth & Walter Johnson..it is what it is.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:19 am

Originally posted by JEagle:

Chest,

No offense but it just sounds like bitter apples to me..you made some bad picks and has come back to haunt you. Get over it and move on. Ramdom draft picks have been the way since the roto leagues of Babe Ruth & Walter Johnson..it is what it is. How many more times can I acknowledge bad picks- did you read the entire thread or cherry pick?

So you prescribe to the way it has always been theory? You must hate KDS then? My suggestions are in the end IMO will make a better event and more fun for all. By the way we hovered around top 100 most of the way and are still in the upper half so not like the picks were D Lee in the 1st and Pods in the 2nd, etc.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:20 am

Originally posted by JEagle:

Chest,

No offense but it just sounds like bitter apples to me..you made some bad picks and has come back to haunt you. Get over it and move on. Ramdom draft picks have been the way since the roto leagues of Babe Ruth & Walter Johnson..it is what it is. How many more times can I acknowledge bad picks- did you read the entire thread or cherry pick?

So you prescribe to the way it has always been theory? You must hate KDS then? My suggestions are in the end IMO will make a better event and more fun for all. By the way we hovered around top 100 most of the way and are still in the upper half so not like the picks were D Lee in the 1st and Pods in the 2nd, etc.

Andy Tu La Daddy · Post by **Andy Tu La Daddy** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:19 am

Bottom Line.

Those that feel there is an advantage for having an early pick should want to auction the slots.

Those who feel that there is no advantage should also want to auction the slots.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:50 am

Originally posted by Andy Tu La Daddy:

Bottom Line.

Those that feel there is an advantage for having an early pick should want to auction the slots.

Those who feel that there is no advantage should also want to auction the slots. Not true at all. I do not want to draft from the same 5-6 slots every year.

I don't care where I pick, but it's not fair to FORCE me to pick from the perceived lesser spots.

I want an equal chance at picking from ANY spot in a given year, just for varieties sake.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:23 am

Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by Andy Tu La Daddy:

Bottom Line.

Those that feel there is an advantage for having an early pick should want to auction the slots.

Those who feel that there is no advantage should also want to auction the slots. Not true at all. I do not want to draft from the same 5-6 slots every year.

I don't care where I pick, but it's not fair to FORCE me to pick from the perceived lesser spots.

I want an equal chance at picking from ANY spot in a given year, just for varieties sake. [/QUOTE]I agree to some degree. I think anyone will think his best strategy lies with certain draft spots given a specific year. It's hard to believe anyone goes in without thinking it would be nice to get a certain spot and pick up a certain player or players because of it. Anyone who does that has no sense of the difference between perceived and real value or the drop-off between certain first round picks.

That is different from thinking you should have to pay out for them. And it's different from using your draft spot is an excuse. And it's certainly different from the backward thinking that certain draft spots are worth more year after year.

Part of the fun is finding out what you get.