Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
I heard on XM today the Dodgers are planning on platooning Kemp/Ethier wow..
What a dumb thing to do and even if it takes a month to sort out Kemp's value is dinged. That's gonna hurt if it happens, I'll assume its just trade posturing for now. [/QUOTE]Kevin you run the Dodgers for a day- what trade you make? Move Pierre and eat a ton of contract- I am not so sure there are any takers at that with Crisp on the market, Lofton sitting in his living room, and Corey Patterson agreeing to play for next to nothing.
Do you move Kemp? Wow that one would take a pair?
So that leaves Ethier- he is not going to fetch you a front line ready pitching prospect. Even if he would you need it less than most teams do with Kershaw in the wings... The worst thing you can do is move Ethier for a bullpen arm and spare parts IMO.
My gut says that when they signed Andruw the plan was to eat Pierre's contract and dump him off on someone. They like a lot of people underestimated what that CF market was going to be like this offseason.
I think barring injury the Dodger OF jam is here for a good long while. An injury is pretty unlikely when you factor in Andruw and Pierre's track record. [/QUOTE]Nice post...
This is why I wanted no parts of Kemp. Either is a solid player and can't be benched full time. Bench Pierre, and he has no trade value. His .196 spring average is helping either.
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any chance kemp can go back to the minors?
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For the record, Juan "Slappy" Pierre is batting .204 this spring, thanks to another single today. 
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Originally posted by Raskolnikov:
For the record, Juan "Slappy" Pierre is batting .204 this spring, thanks to another single today. ya know... I was on mlb.com and saw that, then moved the page to see Either, moved back, and Pierre changed to .196
J Pierre
LAD OF 15 51 6 10 2 0 0 2 12 4 1 6 0 .268 .235 .196
For the record, Juan "Slappy" Pierre is batting .204 this spring, thanks to another single today.
ya know... I was on mlb.com and saw that, then moved the page to see Either, moved back, and Pierre changed to .196J Pierre
LAD OF 15 51 6 10 2 0 0 2 12 4 1 6 0 .268 .235 .196
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Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
I heard on XM today the Dodgers are planning on platooning Kemp/Ethier wow..
What a dumb thing to do and even if it takes a month to sort out Kemp's value is dinged. That's gonna hurt if it happens, I'll assume its just trade posturing for now. [/QUOTE]Kevin you run the Dodgers for a day- what trade you make? Move Pierre and eat a ton of contract- I am not so sure there are any takers at that with Crisp on the market, Lofton sitting in his living room, and Corey Patterson agreeing to play for next to nothing.
Do you move Kemp? Wow that one would take a pair?
So that leaves Ethier- he is not going to fetch you a front line ready pitching prospect. Even if he would you need it less than most teams do with Kershaw in the wings... The worst thing you can do is move Ethier for a bullpen arm and spare parts IMO.
My gut says that when they signed Andruw the plan was to eat Pierre's contract and dump him off on someone. They like a lot of people underestimated what that CF market was going to be like this offseason.
I think barring injury the Dodger OF jam is here for a good long while. An injury is pretty unlikely when you factor in Andruw and Pierre's track record. [/QUOTE]First off, I stop playing cat and mouse (like that's fooling anyone) and let it be known that Pierre will be traded for a box of wheaties for anyone that will take $4 million/yr of salary off my hands (or whatever his deflated value is) to get rid of him. It was a bad deal, a sunk cost, and the longer he's on my team the more he costs me in both dollars and wins.
Secondly, if I can't move him he becomes my 4th OF, situational starter one day a week, late inning speed guy, until such time that I can. I still think this will happen unless he gets off to a hot start or Ethier does not, and that Kemp gets 550 ABs if healthy no matter how juan-g the Dodger thinking.
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
I heard on XM today the Dodgers are planning on platooning Kemp/Ethier wow..
What a dumb thing to do and even if it takes a month to sort out Kemp's value is dinged. That's gonna hurt if it happens, I'll assume its just trade posturing for now. [/QUOTE]Kevin you run the Dodgers for a day- what trade you make? Move Pierre and eat a ton of contract- I am not so sure there are any takers at that with Crisp on the market, Lofton sitting in his living room, and Corey Patterson agreeing to play for next to nothing.
Do you move Kemp? Wow that one would take a pair?
So that leaves Ethier- he is not going to fetch you a front line ready pitching prospect. Even if he would you need it less than most teams do with Kershaw in the wings... The worst thing you can do is move Ethier for a bullpen arm and spare parts IMO.
My gut says that when they signed Andruw the plan was to eat Pierre's contract and dump him off on someone. They like a lot of people underestimated what that CF market was going to be like this offseason.
I think barring injury the Dodger OF jam is here for a good long while. An injury is pretty unlikely when you factor in Andruw and Pierre's track record. [/QUOTE]First off, I stop playing cat and mouse (like that's fooling anyone) and let it be known that Pierre will be traded for a box of wheaties for anyone that will take $4 million/yr of salary off my hands (or whatever his deflated value is) to get rid of him. It was a bad deal, a sunk cost, and the longer he's on my team the more he costs me in both dollars and wins.
Secondly, if I can't move him he becomes my 4th OF, situational starter one day a week, late inning speed guy, until such time that I can. I still think this will happen unless he gets off to a hot start or Ethier does not, and that Kemp gets 550 ABs if healthy no matter how juan-g the Dodger thinking.
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
I heard on XM today the Dodgers are planning on platooning Kemp/Ethier wow..
What a dumb thing to do and even if it takes a month to sort out Kemp's value is dinged. That's gonna hurt if it happens, I'll assume its just trade posturing for now. [/QUOTE]Kevin you run the Dodgers for a day- what trade you make? Move Pierre and eat a ton of contract- I am not so sure there are any takers at that with Crisp on the market, Lofton sitting in his living room, and Corey Patterson agreeing to play for next to nothing.
Do you move Kemp? Wow that one would take a pair?
So that leaves Ethier- he is not going to fetch you a front line ready pitching prospect. Even if he would you need it less than most teams do with Kershaw in the wings... The worst thing you can do is move Ethier for a bullpen arm and spare parts IMO.
My gut says that when they signed Andruw the plan was to eat Pierre's contract and dump him off on someone. They like a lot of people underestimated what that CF market was going to be like this offseason.
I think barring injury the Dodger OF jam is here for a good long while. An injury is pretty unlikely when you factor in Andruw and Pierre's track record. [/QUOTE]First off, I stop playing cat and mouse (like that's fooling anyone) and let it be known that Pierre will be traded for a box of wheaties for anyone that will take $4 million/yr of salary off my hands (or whatever his deflated value is) to get rid of him. It was a bad deal, a sunk cost, and the longer he's on my team the more he costs me in both dollars and wins.
Secondly, if I can't move him he becomes my 4th OF, situational starter one day a week, late inning speed guy, until such time that I can. I still think this will happen unless he gets off to a hot start or Ethier does not, and that Kemp gets 550 ABs if healthy no matter how juan-g the Dodger thinking. [/QUOTE]I too have no idea how they feel they will fool anyone posturing around. I don't think you can give him away. The only thing working in your favor is his reputation as a great clubhouse guy.
Benching him makes even more sense to me b/c the one thing he brings to the table speed from the top of the order they already have. Plus Ethier helps balance out an already dominant right hand hitting 3-7.
quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
I heard on XM today the Dodgers are planning on platooning Kemp/Ethier wow..
What a dumb thing to do and even if it takes a month to sort out Kemp's value is dinged. That's gonna hurt if it happens, I'll assume its just trade posturing for now. [/QUOTE]Kevin you run the Dodgers for a day- what trade you make? Move Pierre and eat a ton of contract- I am not so sure there are any takers at that with Crisp on the market, Lofton sitting in his living room, and Corey Patterson agreeing to play for next to nothing.
Do you move Kemp? Wow that one would take a pair?
So that leaves Ethier- he is not going to fetch you a front line ready pitching prospect. Even if he would you need it less than most teams do with Kershaw in the wings... The worst thing you can do is move Ethier for a bullpen arm and spare parts IMO.
My gut says that when they signed Andruw the plan was to eat Pierre's contract and dump him off on someone. They like a lot of people underestimated what that CF market was going to be like this offseason.
I think barring injury the Dodger OF jam is here for a good long while. An injury is pretty unlikely when you factor in Andruw and Pierre's track record. [/QUOTE]First off, I stop playing cat and mouse (like that's fooling anyone) and let it be known that Pierre will be traded for a box of wheaties for anyone that will take $4 million/yr of salary off my hands (or whatever his deflated value is) to get rid of him. It was a bad deal, a sunk cost, and the longer he's on my team the more he costs me in both dollars and wins.
Secondly, if I can't move him he becomes my 4th OF, situational starter one day a week, late inning speed guy, until such time that I can. I still think this will happen unless he gets off to a hot start or Ethier does not, and that Kemp gets 550 ABs if healthy no matter how juan-g the Dodger thinking. [/QUOTE]I too have no idea how they feel they will fool anyone posturing around. I don't think you can give him away. The only thing working in your favor is his reputation as a great clubhouse guy.
Benching him makes even more sense to me b/c the one thing he brings to the table speed from the top of the order they already have. Plus Ethier helps balance out an already dominant right hand hitting 3-7.
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I think you guys are over analyzing things a bit. Look at Joe Torre's calm demeanor. He's not worried one bit. Once the season starts he'll just put Ethier in the DH spot.
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Torre's calm demeanor went to China while all of his regulars were left stateside.Can not figure that one out.Was funny watching Lasorda keep falling asleep while the game was being played today.After the way they handled Billingsly last year I doubt they start Kershaw at 20 years old.But,saw him pitch today and his stuff is filthy.Knew he had a good fastball.But,what a hook.This just in.The kid is good.
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Kemp does fantasy unrelated things that drive management crazy. Getting picked while daydreaming, dropping easy fly balls, cadillacking doubles.
He's an athlete more than a ballplayer. Looking up and down the Yankee lineup, that can't be said of any of them. It could just be a message to him from Torre to get his head on straight.
As far as trading Pierre, slim and none. Non contenders don't want the salary, Cleveland is the only contender that could be a fit, but Crisp left on good terms there and would probably be more desirable to the Indians.
He's an athlete more than a ballplayer. Looking up and down the Yankee lineup, that can't be said of any of them. It could just be a message to him from Torre to get his head on straight.
As far as trading Pierre, slim and none. Non contenders don't want the salary, Cleveland is the only contender that could be a fit, but Crisp left on good terms there and would probably be more desirable to the Indians.
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Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
Kemp does fantasy unrelated things that drive management crazy. Getting picked while daydreaming, dropping easy fly balls, cadillacking doubles. spot on
Kemp does fantasy unrelated things that drive management crazy. Getting picked while daydreaming, dropping easy fly balls, cadillacking doubles. spot on
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
Kemp does fantasy unrelated things that drive management crazy. Getting picked while daydreaming, dropping easy fly balls, cadillacking doubles. spot on [/QUOTE]Apply it to the forehead.
quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
Kemp does fantasy unrelated things that drive management crazy. Getting picked while daydreaming, dropping easy fly balls, cadillacking doubles. spot on
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Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
Kemp does fantasy unrelated things that drive management crazy. Getting picked while daydreaming, dropping easy fly balls, cadillacking doubles.
He's an athlete more than a ballplayer. Looking up and down the Yankee lineup, that can't be said of any of them. It could just be a message to him from Torre to get his head on straight.
As far as trading Pierre, slim and none. Non contenders don't want the salary, Cleveland is the only contender that could be a fit, but Crisp left on good terms there and would probably be more desirable to the Indians. How about flying around the bases to 3B only to find Loney standing there already??
Kemp does fantasy unrelated things that drive management crazy. Getting picked while daydreaming, dropping easy fly balls, cadillacking doubles.
He's an athlete more than a ballplayer. Looking up and down the Yankee lineup, that can't be said of any of them. It could just be a message to him from Torre to get his head on straight.
As far as trading Pierre, slim and none. Non contenders don't want the salary, Cleveland is the only contender that could be a fit, but Crisp left on good terms there and would probably be more desirable to the Indians. How about flying around the bases to 3B only to find Loney standing there already??
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OK Las Vegas 3 Eddie G, PICK 11.
Went into the draft hoping Crawford would make it to 11, he went 10[damn] Braun was also gone so my pick was Howard .I thought Simemore was a little to early and hoping maybe but not even close.On the way back i wanted a little speed especially with Otiz and Tex gone i came down to Beltran who could get at least 15 or the steady Carlos Lee .I had no interest in Puljos and passed on his soon to be DL ass.Beltran was the pick since he was so good to me last year.Coming back up in the third wanted Figgins or Abru and they both were gone so went Markakis hoping he can deliver like last year.In the 4th round Bedard ,Verlander ,and Webb were all gone so went hitting again and needed speed, C Young was there and thinking 30 , 30.The 5th i wanted one man and finally got the guy i wanted .[ Victorino] 50 steals and a 100 runs yes im happy again.The 6th round passed on the next best pitcher according to ADP and that was Lackey[close one] and went Nathan.
The next tier it was time for pitching and in the 7th took my man James SHields,also took him in the super and 1000 satelitte .In the 8th felt like taken a big gamble and take Liriano , then in the 9th i go Lilly .Pretty happy with those three , in the 10th take Valverde who was slipping in this main.[thats 2 closers] In the 11th i do something i never do, i take a catcher and his name Sota , everybodies sleeper catcher and im drinking his juice.In the 12th Blaylock is who i want and he is there.In the 13th Billy Butler is still there and im getting the first guys i want.[awesome] In 14 i go catcher again and Benji im batting clean up Molina is the pick. Freddy Sanchez at 15, Kotchman at 16, and Meche at 17 is just what the doctor ordered.Other key picks , in the 21st round i still needed one more outfielder and Luke Scott made it to me.[yes] In the 24th Ervin Santana is worth the gamble , especially with Escobar and Lackey hurt.Here is the rest of the team.
1 Howard
2 Beltran
3 Markakis
4 C Young the hitter.
5 Victorino
6 Nathan
7 J Shields
8 Liriano
9 Lilly
10 Valverde
11 Sota
12 Blaylock
13 B Butler
14 B Molina
15 F Sanchez
16 Kotchman
17 G Meche
18 H Bell
19 K Slowey
20 Y Bettancourt
21 L Scott
22 Tad Iguchi
23 P Felix
24 E Santana
25 J Benoit
26 E Aybar
27 M Isturis
28 A Reyes the cardnial
29 F Rodney
30 B Giles.
Thoughts and thoughts
Went into the draft hoping Crawford would make it to 11, he went 10[damn] Braun was also gone so my pick was Howard .I thought Simemore was a little to early and hoping maybe but not even close.On the way back i wanted a little speed especially with Otiz and Tex gone i came down to Beltran who could get at least 15 or the steady Carlos Lee .I had no interest in Puljos and passed on his soon to be DL ass.Beltran was the pick since he was so good to me last year.Coming back up in the third wanted Figgins or Abru and they both were gone so went Markakis hoping he can deliver like last year.In the 4th round Bedard ,Verlander ,and Webb were all gone so went hitting again and needed speed, C Young was there and thinking 30 , 30.The 5th i wanted one man and finally got the guy i wanted .[ Victorino] 50 steals and a 100 runs yes im happy again.The 6th round passed on the next best pitcher according to ADP and that was Lackey[close one] and went Nathan.
The next tier it was time for pitching and in the 7th took my man James SHields,also took him in the super and 1000 satelitte .In the 8th felt like taken a big gamble and take Liriano , then in the 9th i go Lilly .Pretty happy with those three , in the 10th take Valverde who was slipping in this main.[thats 2 closers] In the 11th i do something i never do, i take a catcher and his name Sota , everybodies sleeper catcher and im drinking his juice.In the 12th Blaylock is who i want and he is there.In the 13th Billy Butler is still there and im getting the first guys i want.[awesome] In 14 i go catcher again and Benji im batting clean up Molina is the pick. Freddy Sanchez at 15, Kotchman at 16, and Meche at 17 is just what the doctor ordered.Other key picks , in the 21st round i still needed one more outfielder and Luke Scott made it to me.[yes] In the 24th Ervin Santana is worth the gamble , especially with Escobar and Lackey hurt.Here is the rest of the team.
1 Howard
2 Beltran
3 Markakis
4 C Young the hitter.
5 Victorino
6 Nathan
7 J Shields
8 Liriano
9 Lilly
10 Valverde
11 Sota
12 Blaylock
13 B Butler
14 B Molina
15 F Sanchez
16 Kotchman
17 G Meche
18 H Bell
19 K Slowey
20 Y Bettancourt
21 L Scott
22 Tad Iguchi
23 P Felix
24 E Santana
25 J Benoit
26 E Aybar
27 M Isturis
28 A Reyes the cardnial
29 F Rodney
30 B Giles.
Thoughts and thoughts
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Eddie,
You have been doing this MUCH longer than me, so obviously you can disregard my opinion here if you want.
POSITIVES
Your closers are TOP NOTCH, and you could easily be near the top overall in saves.
Your catchers are also VERY nice in Soto and Molina.
Outfield is REAL strong!
NEGATIVES
Since your outfield is so strong, it REALLY hurt your middle infield. Sanchez, Betancourt, and Iguchi puts you WAY behind others IMO.
While I don't have a problem with James Shields as a #1 (prefer him as a #2), when Liriano, Lilly, and Meche are your 2-3-4, he doesn't look as good. You could really struggle in WHIP and ERA, even with your stellar pen.
That all being said, you are a seasoned vet who knows how to "work the wire" so I am sure you will make this squad competitive.
GOOD LUCK!
[ March 18, 2008, 08:05 PM: Message edited by: billywaz ]
You have been doing this MUCH longer than me, so obviously you can disregard my opinion here if you want.
POSITIVES
Your closers are TOP NOTCH, and you could easily be near the top overall in saves.
Your catchers are also VERY nice in Soto and Molina.
Outfield is REAL strong!
NEGATIVES
Since your outfield is so strong, it REALLY hurt your middle infield. Sanchez, Betancourt, and Iguchi puts you WAY behind others IMO.
While I don't have a problem with James Shields as a #1 (prefer him as a #2), when Liriano, Lilly, and Meche are your 2-3-4, he doesn't look as good. You could really struggle in WHIP and ERA, even with your stellar pen.
That all being said, you are a seasoned vet who knows how to "work the wire" so I am sure you will make this squad competitive.
GOOD LUCK!
[ March 18, 2008, 08:05 PM: Message edited by: billywaz ]
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Originally posted by NorCalAtlFan:
Two things. I'm fascinated that we drafted from the same spot and didn't draft ONE player that was on both rosters.
Secondly, Pujols and Sizemore? Man, in my dreams one of them would have fallen, let alone both. And then Figgins in the 4th? I'm jealous.
Good luck. Well, you never know with these things. I was hoping that Santana would fall to me, so I could go Santana-Sizemore. But you never know!
Two things. I'm fascinated that we drafted from the same spot and didn't draft ONE player that was on both rosters.
Secondly, Pujols and Sizemore? Man, in my dreams one of them would have fallen, let alone both. And then Figgins in the 4th? I'm jealous.
Good luck. Well, you never know with these things. I was hoping that Santana would fall to me, so I could go Santana-Sizemore. But you never know!
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Hey Eddie -
Four years ago in NY I had the number one pick and you had the #2. I went Beltran and he killed me. I'm real nervous about Carlos this year - I think his knees are really on his mind and it's going to affect his confidence. For your sake I hope I'm wrong - good luck in your LV league.
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Four years ago in NY I had the number one pick and you had the #2. I went Beltran and he killed me. I'm real nervous about Carlos this year - I think his knees are really on his mind and it's going to affect his confidence. For your sake I hope I'm wrong - good luck in your LV league.
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If anyone is interested, here's my draft from the #10 spot in LV4.
I ran about 15 different mocks on my computer - each time picking different angles, trying to build a team not just slap in players. I usually try very hard to draft from the back first - so after each of the 15 mocks I studied the back of the draft and tried to determine whow as back there that I liked and therefore what holes could I try to leave in the earlier/mid parts of the draft. Of course, all preparation goes out the window at times... I had settled in on the thought that I was about 70% likely to get Crawford and 30% likely to pick Santana. When my first round pick came up, Crawford had been taken and I just balked on Sanatana. I was finding pitching later in the draft in most of my mocks... so I took the best hitter still there
Pick #1: Ryan Braun - can't go wrong with a solid bat in round 1. Upside, young, statistically holding his own and still learning plus surrounded by a good set of offensive teammates.
Pick #2 - in the 2nd round I was planning on looking hard at Peavey, basically seeing what could drop my way - Pujols? I kinda like Vlad Guerrero for an upside year... I never expected Big Papi.... Well, hell how can I pass that up - 2 corner guys, not my plan, but what the heck beef in the early rounds means I can scour for diff stats later.
Pick #3 I might have done poorly. At the time I felt the need to lock in a good 1b.. on my power tiers there were quite a few left, but I wanted my pick of them and was hoping I could steer the back end of the draft towards that angle and get something else to drop to me. Maybe I should have gone with Abreu or Beltran? Pitching was't of value at this point - I figured I'd take the risk on 2006' AL MVP and the oh-so-perfect A26 wonder and tucked away Justin Morneau. Well, that's alright I guess - my CI spot would wait til one of those Dan Ortmeier sleepers late in the draft!!!
#4 - oh no... Derek Lee in the 4th round? Chone Figgins solid right there too - speed would be so nice... ah hell, I had Derek Lee ranked just behind Morneau in value and he was still there 10 picks later... I can't turn down value!
#5: Ok idiot you've taken all the 'easy' picks - I made a conscious decision to push OF and pitching and make sure I didn't have holes in places I couldn't fill later. Joe Mauer fills a big need and hopefully allows me to pick up low batting avg. filler OF that nobody else will want later.
#6: Easy grab for me, 40 yrs. old but still throwing like a monster. Smoltzy stay healthy you're now my anchor!!!
So after my first set - I've got 5 bats pushing over .300, 150 HR, 450R, probably 500 RBI. I'm not unhappy - but I have a lot of spots to fill and I left myself with no ability to pick a sleeping big hitter - my corner spots and utility are gone.
Set #2:
Round 7: I see Matsui running hard on fly balls, he looks healthy - I need a multi purpose bat and OF is WIDE open so far!
Round 8: Smoltz is lonely, I like Cain's upside, let's get some pitching building...
Round 9: Billy Wagner - let's have a good year, bro, throw some heat!!!
Round 10: could be a bad pick, but I note I got him later than most I saw - Juan Pierre's speed could make or break parts of my draft. Locking him in now won't hurt any of my power #'s and I like his chances as Joe Torre tends to lean on veterans (to play or trade, either way)
Round 11: Julio Lugo gives me a position filled and some potential speed. I'm trying to cover 2 birds with one stone here - I can eat the batting avg. (though I think he'll bounce back with a .265+).
Round 12: Perhaps my worst pick in these first 2 sets (some earlier picks could be worse, but at least guys like Pierre have a chance to truly e worth more than the 10th round pick I used... unfortunately I think I may have gotten 12-13th round talent in the 12th round.... surely I could have done better here than no upside?)
Aaron Rowand gives me all around stats in all categories - the equivalent of an innings eater pitcher. I need some filler right now. Wish going backward I'd have taken any of a number of mediocre players later in the draft instead of this one at this point.
In summary, I got power and touched speed, SP and closing in my first 2 sets - a good goal for the first 12 picks and sets me up to pick a number of players later in the draft with less than full dimensions. Sure it'd be nice to see Cameron Maybin go first round value this year but let's not be silly - a steady veteran player does just fine and I don't have the needs anymore (maybe) with my previous picks.
My draft ended up like this:
1. Braun
2. Ortiz
3. Morneau
4. D. Lee
5. Mauer
6. Smoltz
7. Matsui
8. Cain
9. Wagner
10. Pierre
11. Lugo
12. Rowand
13. Kelly Johnson
14. Borowski
15. Harden
16. G. Matthews
17. Capuano (horrible pick)
18. Meche
19. Betancourt
20. Buck
21. Wilkerson
22. Duchscherer
23. N. Robertson
24. Schilling (eh...sigh)
25. Wakefield
26. Headley
27. Howry
28. J. Nix
29. Silva
30. Gaudin
I suspect 2-3 of those SP will be falling off for some FA pickups - but maybe I'll just rotate in my SP army on matchups for a while. The hope is that I left myself choices, I took some chances but I believe at least gave myself a chance to win every category.
And of all 15 drafts I mocked before the 'real thing' - none of them looked even close to this. We'll find out for better or worse
Dyv
I ran about 15 different mocks on my computer - each time picking different angles, trying to build a team not just slap in players. I usually try very hard to draft from the back first - so after each of the 15 mocks I studied the back of the draft and tried to determine whow as back there that I liked and therefore what holes could I try to leave in the earlier/mid parts of the draft. Of course, all preparation goes out the window at times... I had settled in on the thought that I was about 70% likely to get Crawford and 30% likely to pick Santana. When my first round pick came up, Crawford had been taken and I just balked on Sanatana. I was finding pitching later in the draft in most of my mocks... so I took the best hitter still there
Pick #1: Ryan Braun - can't go wrong with a solid bat in round 1. Upside, young, statistically holding his own and still learning plus surrounded by a good set of offensive teammates.
Pick #2 - in the 2nd round I was planning on looking hard at Peavey, basically seeing what could drop my way - Pujols? I kinda like Vlad Guerrero for an upside year... I never expected Big Papi.... Well, hell how can I pass that up - 2 corner guys, not my plan, but what the heck beef in the early rounds means I can scour for diff stats later.
Pick #3 I might have done poorly. At the time I felt the need to lock in a good 1b.. on my power tiers there were quite a few left, but I wanted my pick of them and was hoping I could steer the back end of the draft towards that angle and get something else to drop to me. Maybe I should have gone with Abreu or Beltran? Pitching was't of value at this point - I figured I'd take the risk on 2006' AL MVP and the oh-so-perfect A26 wonder and tucked away Justin Morneau. Well, that's alright I guess - my CI spot would wait til one of those Dan Ortmeier sleepers late in the draft!!!
#4 - oh no... Derek Lee in the 4th round? Chone Figgins solid right there too - speed would be so nice... ah hell, I had Derek Lee ranked just behind Morneau in value and he was still there 10 picks later... I can't turn down value!
#5: Ok idiot you've taken all the 'easy' picks - I made a conscious decision to push OF and pitching and make sure I didn't have holes in places I couldn't fill later. Joe Mauer fills a big need and hopefully allows me to pick up low batting avg. filler OF that nobody else will want later.
#6: Easy grab for me, 40 yrs. old but still throwing like a monster. Smoltzy stay healthy you're now my anchor!!!
So after my first set - I've got 5 bats pushing over .300, 150 HR, 450R, probably 500 RBI. I'm not unhappy - but I have a lot of spots to fill and I left myself with no ability to pick a sleeping big hitter - my corner spots and utility are gone.
Set #2:
Round 7: I see Matsui running hard on fly balls, he looks healthy - I need a multi purpose bat and OF is WIDE open so far!
Round 8: Smoltz is lonely, I like Cain's upside, let's get some pitching building...
Round 9: Billy Wagner - let's have a good year, bro, throw some heat!!!
Round 10: could be a bad pick, but I note I got him later than most I saw - Juan Pierre's speed could make or break parts of my draft. Locking him in now won't hurt any of my power #'s and I like his chances as Joe Torre tends to lean on veterans (to play or trade, either way)
Round 11: Julio Lugo gives me a position filled and some potential speed. I'm trying to cover 2 birds with one stone here - I can eat the batting avg. (though I think he'll bounce back with a .265+).
Round 12: Perhaps my worst pick in these first 2 sets (some earlier picks could be worse, but at least guys like Pierre have a chance to truly e worth more than the 10th round pick I used... unfortunately I think I may have gotten 12-13th round talent in the 12th round.... surely I could have done better here than no upside?)
Aaron Rowand gives me all around stats in all categories - the equivalent of an innings eater pitcher. I need some filler right now. Wish going backward I'd have taken any of a number of mediocre players later in the draft instead of this one at this point.
In summary, I got power and touched speed, SP and closing in my first 2 sets - a good goal for the first 12 picks and sets me up to pick a number of players later in the draft with less than full dimensions. Sure it'd be nice to see Cameron Maybin go first round value this year but let's not be silly - a steady veteran player does just fine and I don't have the needs anymore (maybe) with my previous picks.
My draft ended up like this:
1. Braun
2. Ortiz
3. Morneau
4. D. Lee
5. Mauer
6. Smoltz
7. Matsui
8. Cain
9. Wagner
10. Pierre
11. Lugo
12. Rowand
13. Kelly Johnson
14. Borowski
15. Harden
16. G. Matthews
17. Capuano (horrible pick)
18. Meche
19. Betancourt
20. Buck
21. Wilkerson
22. Duchscherer
23. N. Robertson
24. Schilling (eh...sigh)
25. Wakefield
26. Headley
27. Howry
28. J. Nix
29. Silva
30. Gaudin
I suspect 2-3 of those SP will be falling off for some FA pickups - but maybe I'll just rotate in my SP army on matchups for a while. The hope is that I left myself choices, I took some chances but I believe at least gave myself a chance to win every category.
And of all 15 drafts I mocked before the 'real thing' - none of them looked even close to this. We'll find out for better or worse
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That's the best 1B/3B/CI/UTI combo on Earth!
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Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
That's the best 1B/3B/CI/UTI combo on Earth! Agreed. I can't fathom someone having that beat. I think I've seen Albert/Cabrera combos. But this is 4 studs. Well done.
That's the best 1B/3B/CI/UTI combo on Earth! Agreed. I can't fathom someone having that beat. I think I've seen Albert/Cabrera combos. But this is 4 studs. Well done.
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Originally posted by Dyv:
I ran about 15 different mocks on my computer - each time picking different angles, trying to build a team not just slap in players. Well Dave, since you posted this, I'll play along too. I ran at least 15 of these type mocks on the computer also. Worked well last year in baseball, and won me a FB title.... So here goes...
The fun thing about LV3, is that picks 3,5,6,7,8 were all in the sportsbook Wed-Fri nite. I met pick #4 FRI while I ran the $650 auction. And sat next to pick #2 right before the draft for breakfast. KJ at #3 was the only one tight lipped, so I knew from others that I was going to have a choice of Holliday or Reyes.
KJ took Miggy at #3, and that was the only reason I was able to get my #1 choice...
#1 - M.Holliday
I wanted two OF'ers in Rds 1-6. Didn't like the OF choices Rds 7-12..
#2 - J.Peavy
Major, major zag here... Eddie took Beltan, whom I wanted no parts of at 2.11, and I thought one of the three I wanted would fall to me..Vlad, C.Lee and Berkman all went right before me. Peavy was the last guy on my round 2 list. I'm glad I took him now, as all the SP's I wanted to take rd 6 were all taken by Rd 5. (Dice, Kazmir, Beckett, Lackey)
#3 - C.Figgins
In FB, I stuck to my plan. I'm sticking to it here. I would have taken C.Hart, but he went two picks after Peavy.
#4 - I.Kinsler
Batting leadoff all year. He batted .299, scored 66 runs in 74 games batting 1/2 last year. 20hr-23 sb last year. They expect him to steal 30 this year. I have him at .275
#5 - M.Young
He'll be back up to 14-15 HR this year. Won't get off to the slow start which hurt him early. In every self-mock I did with him here, I was able to have a ton of flexibility later because my avg was always around .295 rd 10.
#6 - Josh Hamilton
Gotta take a chance to win this damn thing. This is the guy I choose. Wanted him Rd 7, but with the Peavy pick, had to move him up a rd. Like in the spring, I expect him to DH 30% of the time.
After 6, I'm sitting with Peavy, a .303 avg., and nice balance in HR/RBI
#7 - A.Beltre
Wanted to get a stud closer rd 5, but they all went, and even wanted Mariano here, but Lance made a nice pick. Beltre solid pick though and I need the power.
#8 - C.Billingsley
Wanted Maine here. Really high on him this year, but he went ten picks earlier at 7.15. So I bumped up my #9 pick.. Like the 3.12 2nd half ERA
#9 - H.Street
Closer time.... never liked the health issues of the past, but hear he's looking fine this year
#10 - J.Soria
What's not to like here? Original plan was to take Garko here, but he went 9 picks earlier...
#11 - I.Snell
After losing out on Maine, glad that he fell to me here. Nice K's
#12 - A.Hill 2B
One of my fave picks of the draft. An MI with power and avg. Also protects Kinsler if he gets hurt again.
#13 - Ol.Perez
Another solid K guy. Very happy he fell here.
Here's the rest:
14) K.Youkilis.... not bad after missing garko
15) J.Broxton.... 97/99K's last 2 years. Maybe more saves this?
16) K.Greene... He's my DH... fills in nicely at MI if needed. Might just play him on road and platoon with pick #22.
17) Adam Jones... like the upside here
18) GAnderson..65 rbi in last 68 games. He'll DH 60-80 and that's fine with me..
19) D.DeJesus... always liked this guy here. Expect BA rebound..
20) Garland... should win 15 easily...
21) K.Suzuki.. wanted Ruiz as #1, but he was gone. Glad to see Shaun get him #2 on many teams.
22) G.Jenkins... old fave that helped me win only NFBC crown. Tons of upside in Philly lineup. Will mix/match with DeJesus/GA/Freel
23) D.Price... guys like Kershaw. I like this guy for 2nd half.
24) B.Fuentes. great 2nd half. Would like to see traded.
25) Torrealba... Hey, I picked Zaun #30 on year and it worked..
26) Freel... hot right now... Will plug in when he gets one of his playing spurts for the SB's
27) Adenhart... Lance had told me Peavy got hurt at Rd 20 break. I swear. Will start if Sanatana blows up, which I expect.
28) Embree... had to back up Street.
29) G.Olson... first waive.
30) Stairs...needed BUP CI
Very tough league. All solid owners and not a newbie in the bunch. Need another SP, but like the depth in hitting.
[ March 19, 2008, 01:34 AM: Message edited by: UFS ]
I ran about 15 different mocks on my computer - each time picking different angles, trying to build a team not just slap in players. Well Dave, since you posted this, I'll play along too. I ran at least 15 of these type mocks on the computer also. Worked well last year in baseball, and won me a FB title.... So here goes...
The fun thing about LV3, is that picks 3,5,6,7,8 were all in the sportsbook Wed-Fri nite. I met pick #4 FRI while I ran the $650 auction. And sat next to pick #2 right before the draft for breakfast. KJ at #3 was the only one tight lipped, so I knew from others that I was going to have a choice of Holliday or Reyes.
KJ took Miggy at #3, and that was the only reason I was able to get my #1 choice...
#1 - M.Holliday
I wanted two OF'ers in Rds 1-6. Didn't like the OF choices Rds 7-12..
#2 - J.Peavy
Major, major zag here... Eddie took Beltan, whom I wanted no parts of at 2.11, and I thought one of the three I wanted would fall to me..Vlad, C.Lee and Berkman all went right before me. Peavy was the last guy on my round 2 list. I'm glad I took him now, as all the SP's I wanted to take rd 6 were all taken by Rd 5. (Dice, Kazmir, Beckett, Lackey)
#3 - C.Figgins
In FB, I stuck to my plan. I'm sticking to it here. I would have taken C.Hart, but he went two picks after Peavy.
#4 - I.Kinsler
Batting leadoff all year. He batted .299, scored 66 runs in 74 games batting 1/2 last year. 20hr-23 sb last year. They expect him to steal 30 this year. I have him at .275
#5 - M.Young
He'll be back up to 14-15 HR this year. Won't get off to the slow start which hurt him early. In every self-mock I did with him here, I was able to have a ton of flexibility later because my avg was always around .295 rd 10.
#6 - Josh Hamilton
Gotta take a chance to win this damn thing. This is the guy I choose. Wanted him Rd 7, but with the Peavy pick, had to move him up a rd. Like in the spring, I expect him to DH 30% of the time.
After 6, I'm sitting with Peavy, a .303 avg., and nice balance in HR/RBI
#7 - A.Beltre
Wanted to get a stud closer rd 5, but they all went, and even wanted Mariano here, but Lance made a nice pick. Beltre solid pick though and I need the power.
#8 - C.Billingsley
Wanted Maine here. Really high on him this year, but he went ten picks earlier at 7.15. So I bumped up my #9 pick.. Like the 3.12 2nd half ERA
#9 - H.Street
Closer time.... never liked the health issues of the past, but hear he's looking fine this year
#10 - J.Soria
What's not to like here? Original plan was to take Garko here, but he went 9 picks earlier...
#11 - I.Snell
After losing out on Maine, glad that he fell to me here. Nice K's
#12 - A.Hill 2B
One of my fave picks of the draft. An MI with power and avg. Also protects Kinsler if he gets hurt again.
#13 - Ol.Perez
Another solid K guy. Very happy he fell here.
Here's the rest:
14) K.Youkilis.... not bad after missing garko
15) J.Broxton.... 97/99K's last 2 years. Maybe more saves this?
16) K.Greene... He's my DH... fills in nicely at MI if needed. Might just play him on road and platoon with pick #22.
17) Adam Jones... like the upside here
18) GAnderson..65 rbi in last 68 games. He'll DH 60-80 and that's fine with me..
19) D.DeJesus... always liked this guy here. Expect BA rebound..
20) Garland... should win 15 easily...
21) K.Suzuki.. wanted Ruiz as #1, but he was gone. Glad to see Shaun get him #2 on many teams.
22) G.Jenkins... old fave that helped me win only NFBC crown. Tons of upside in Philly lineup. Will mix/match with DeJesus/GA/Freel
23) D.Price... guys like Kershaw. I like this guy for 2nd half.
24) B.Fuentes. great 2nd half. Would like to see traded.
25) Torrealba... Hey, I picked Zaun #30 on year and it worked..
26) Freel... hot right now... Will plug in when he gets one of his playing spurts for the SB's
27) Adenhart... Lance had told me Peavy got hurt at Rd 20 break. I swear. Will start if Sanatana blows up, which I expect.
28) Embree... had to back up Street.
29) G.Olson... first waive.
30) Stairs...needed BUP CI
Very tough league. All solid owners and not a newbie in the bunch. Need another SP, but like the depth in hitting.
[ March 19, 2008, 01:34 AM: Message edited by: UFS ]
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Originally posted by NorCalAtlFan:
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
That's the best 1B/3B/CI/UTI combo on Earth! Agreed. I can't fathom someone having that beat. I think I've seen Albert/Cabrera combos. But this is 4 studs. Well done. [/QUOTE]BJOAK has Wright/D.Lee/A.Gonzalez.. not bad at all..
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
That's the best 1B/3B/CI/UTI combo on Earth! Agreed. I can't fathom someone having that beat. I think I've seen Albert/Cabrera combos. But this is 4 studs. Well done. [/QUOTE]BJOAK has Wright/D.Lee/A.Gonzalez.. not bad at all..
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Devilznj, yeah i remember that year , i wanted Beltran and you took him one if i remember Arod went one in every other NY league.I actually took Puljos.Yeah going into the draft i wasnt going to take the Beltran chance , but i thought all that power and maybe 20 steals.Carlos Lee would have been the safe pick but with one minute i had to have my guy.Didnt realize how many people were down on Beltran, lets go Carlos .
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The more I look at Kinsler...the more I see a steal mid 4th round. (If he plays 140+) I had him and Weeks as make or break type guys...with Kinsler much lower on the risk scale (esp. avg.)
Gotta love the upside of Kinsler and Hamilton...but having Young too...your eyes will be focused on the TEX boxscore each day!
Those 3 or less run games from TEX will hurt...but the 5 or more will be killer for you, John.
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Gotta love the upside of Kinsler and Hamilton...but having Young too...your eyes will be focused on the TEX boxscore each day!
Those 3 or less run games from TEX will hurt...but the 5 or more will be killer for you, John.
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Dyv,
Thanks for the post. That's about the best team I've seen yet (except for mine ).
It also makes me feel a lot better about taking Rowand in the 10th. At the time I didn't even really question it. Later it seemed that he went lower in other drafts. I've got to think though that the upside potential for any Giant is going to be good without Bonds in the clubhouse. I think two of my better picks were Rowand (too early I agree) and Kotsay (24th rd) solely because of the fit on the team and their coaches. Bobby Cox and the Braves will motivate Kotsay into a career year (maybe not next if he is still there). Rowand and the Giants will be tough trying to show they don't need Bonds. There is a grittiness about the Giants that I think will show on the field. They won't win the West, but they will be strong.
Thanks for the post. That's about the best team I've seen yet (except for mine
).It also makes me feel a lot better about taking Rowand in the 10th. At the time I didn't even really question it. Later it seemed that he went lower in other drafts. I've got to think though that the upside potential for any Giant is going to be good without Bonds in the clubhouse. I think two of my better picks were Rowand (too early I agree) and Kotsay (24th rd) solely because of the fit on the team and their coaches. Bobby Cox and the Braves will motivate Kotsay into a career year (maybe not next if he is still there). Rowand and the Giants will be tough trying to show they don't need Bonds. There is a grittiness about the Giants that I think will show on the field. They won't win the West, but they will be strong.
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Originally posted by Jackstraw:
Dyv,
Thanks for the post. That's about the best team I've seen yet (except for mine ).
It also makes me feel a lot better about taking Rowand in the 10th. At the time I didn't even really question it. Later it seemed that he went lower in other drafts. I've got to think though that the upside potential for any Giant is going to be good without Bonds in the clubhouse. I think two of my better picks were Rowand (too early I agree) and Kotsay (24th rd) solely because of the fit on the team and their coaches. Bobby Cox and the Braves will motivate Kotsay into a career year (maybe not next if he is still there). Rowand and the Giants will be tough trying to show they don't need Bonds. There is a grittiness about the Giants that I think will show on the field. They won't win the West, but they will be strong. True, Jack...
They are pumping a "new attitude Giants" of "doing the little things well" and such on the radio. A TEAM now...no stars. (I know, I know...it's the only angle they CAN take for marketing)...but you could be right. There has to be at least ONE player there that puts up better than 10th round numbers...there just has to be!
~Lance
Dyv,
Thanks for the post. That's about the best team I've seen yet (except for mine
).It also makes me feel a lot better about taking Rowand in the 10th. At the time I didn't even really question it. Later it seemed that he went lower in other drafts. I've got to think though that the upside potential for any Giant is going to be good without Bonds in the clubhouse. I think two of my better picks were Rowand (too early I agree) and Kotsay (24th rd) solely because of the fit on the team and their coaches. Bobby Cox and the Braves will motivate Kotsay into a career year (maybe not next if he is still there). Rowand and the Giants will be tough trying to show they don't need Bonds. There is a grittiness about the Giants that I think will show on the field. They won't win the West, but they will be strong. True, Jack...
They are pumping a "new attitude Giants" of "doing the little things well" and such on the radio. A TEAM now...no stars. (I know, I know...it's the only angle they CAN take for marketing)...but you could be right. There has to be at least ONE player there that puts up better than 10th round numbers...there just has to be!
~Lance
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