Is It Okay To Allow A Third Team Member?

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Sun Jan 30, 2005 3:36 pm

Originally posted by ToddZ:

quote:can we also ban owners that smell, fart, burp, spill their beer on your cheatsheets, take up extra space, talk to loud, etc Looks like it's off to the WCOFB for me.... [/QUOTE]LOL - don't let them scare you off, Todd

Dave

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Sun Jan 30, 2005 3:39 pm

Originally posted by ToddZ:

Looks like it's off to the WCOFB for me.... I don't believe this is even an option.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sun Jan 30, 2005 3:46 pm

Nor do I...(WCOFB)

I'd love the seating set up in a zig-zag style so it minimized the impact of neighbors leering at cheatsheets...even though I agree...if a neighbor has to see your cheatsheet to draft...he's a bit behind...(but not if he's near the ends, and is trying to see if you value a guy now or in the next round)

~Lance

viper · Post by **viper** » Sun Jan 30, 2005 5:13 pm

I see that this thread has returned. A new argument against seems valid. The rules did say that 1 or 2 team members could be present. Even if the 3rd member was far enough away so as not to speak to his teammates during the draft, his input at the breaks does give a very slight advantage to that team. I am a firm believer that you need a second person at the draft. I will be paying for a co-manager even though I may be doing the league alone. I will have a second person with me at the draft and feel that it is money well spent. When you put out the 2006 rules, you can allow this silent "observer" but let's wait until then and after you get some input from all participants - maybe through a survey or something.

seefer · Post by **seefer** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:32 am

I gotta agree... The current rules state 1 or 2 owners at draft.

You now have 180 official sign ups (withouth the auctions) that have signed up under the "current" rules.

I don't see how you can just change the rules on the fly, reminds me of the actions of a "former" competitior of yours (see where it got them?).

To change a firm rule such as this after taking so many sign ups, would prolly get ugly. You might find that alot of teams would want "out". Nobody wants to compete in a league where the rules change once the competition begins. And the official competition began when you took that 1st sign up for the new season.

I for one am strongly opposed to the 3rd member at the draft. More so for the fact that you would be changing a rule after so many have signed up under the "current" rule.

And yes, the 3rd member would only give his team another advantage.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:40 am

I appreciate all the input, but nobody is breaking any rules after the fact. I'm seeking input on this and will rule accordingly. There is no way that more than two owners will be allowed at the draft table, as the rules state. But there are some three-man teams and having the third member allowed to watch the draft from afar is being requested from some owners, which makes more sense to me than having those owners on cell phones all Draft Day. I'm interested in looking at that option and working with those teams on an individual basis without disrupting the draft process. I trust you know I'm smart enough to balance the two and if I can't do that I won't pursue this option at all.

And Aaron, I don't care what the other events tried or failed in trying. We have a more hands-on approach here and won't do anything that doesn't protect the rights of the drafters first. I think you know that.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:54 am

Originally posted by seefer:

To change a firm rule such as this after taking so many sign ups, would prolly get ugly. You might find that alot of teams would want "out". ugly? i think there was 1 maybe 2 NFFC owners upset with the revised prize structure and opted out. please.

on another note, my people want me to go to chi-town for the nfbc. maybe we can be in the same league?

viper · Post by **viper** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:32 pm

Greg,

Are you saying that a 3rd team member would not be able to communicate with the two drafting members except at the breaks? In other words, a drafting member could not get up from the main table and walk to the 'observer' for conversation/advice?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:59 pm

Yes. Don't you guys trust me enough to handle a couple of teams in each city that want a third person to watch their draft without being part of it? I think I can monitor that and the requests for a third party at this point is standing at two or three teams total. It's not going to be rampant and it sure beats having more cell phones at the draft.

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:03 pm

Originally posted by viper:

Greg,

Are you saying that a 3rd team member would not be able to communicate with the two drafting members except at the breaks? In other words, a drafting member could not get up from the main table and walk to the 'observer' for conversation/advice? Come on Viper... someone can do that right now if they want. I'm in 4 drafts that weekend, two of them are auctions. There's no way I'm going to sit patiently at the table through all 15-17 hours of drafting and not move.

Just can't do it

Dave

viper · Post by **viper** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:18 am

I don't think I said that you could not get up and move around. My question dealt with conversations during the draft excluding break periods. Greg said that it won't happen. That's good for me. I still am not in favor of the 3rd person at the draft but whatever Greg decides is fine with me. It's not like someone is drafting alone and trying to have a single co-owner help him at the draft but not sit at the table in order to save a few bucks.

As far as observing goes, I would love to watch the auction leagues draft. I've never done an auction league and would find it fascinating.

Leaderboard Sports · Post by **Leaderboard Sports** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:10 am

I've done the WCOFB draft which was set up exactly the same as the NFBC with three managers and it was no advantage. It just created more questioning of decisions,"Who should we take here this guy, no I like this guy, yea but we need this guy", the old too many cooks cliche. It can be bad with two but three is really bad and everyone leaves the draft thinking the other guys made some mistakes on picks. I won't be doing any 3 man drafts again but I don't see it as an advantage. There are several people in this draft that were in that one with me (Todd Zola, Gene McCaffery, and Hankerchiefs for sure) and I doubt they even remember that there was a third co-owner behind the table so I don't think it was a distraction.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:32 pm

Viper, You can watch the auction leagues draft. For $650.00 that is.