Time For A Wednesday Chat

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:40 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

I have no problem with healthy discussion on any proposals for the future and this is all still a work in progress. But the loudest voices aren't always the majority opinion. If GG had his way, we'd just pay first place and not reward anyone for finishing lower than that in each league. that's not true. 1st and 2nd in a league is a good league payout schedule (obviously in my opinion).

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:42 am

Originally posted by viper:

Still wish there was some indication on the "2005 NFBC Roll Call" thread, as to who is a returner and who is new. The silence from Greg on this request is deafening. A simple "no" would suffice if that is his decision. Yikes, I didn't know my silence was that loud. Honestly, I have been stating on every welcome thread who is a returning member. I'm not sure having an asterisk on the roll call list helps anything, but maybe in the future I'll start that way. I honestly don't have the time to go through that roll call list and do that and double-check that I have all the returning members correctly identified. Again, every welcome has that information, so if it helps you can grab that info and put the list together.

I'm not avoiding any questions, just trying to fill this event, run the Fantasy Sports Trade Conference, get a baseball and football license, fill a high-stakes football event, do my duties as president of the Fantasy Sports Trade Association, finalize contracts for football, find hotels for baseball and football in 2006, sign our custom-publishing football contracts with seven industry partners, fill up those goodie bags, be loyal to my wife and raise three kids. Gotta run!

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:43 am

Originally posted by viper:

Any thought of name tags with your board name on it - at least for the night before? Those GG lovers would know who to express their true feeling to. i don't have any time at the draft for people to express their "true feelings". if you have something to say...say it now. have you been giving "false feelings" up to this point?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:43 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

I have no problem with healthy discussion on any proposals for the future and this is all still a work in progress. But the loudest voices aren't always the majority opinion. If GG had his way, we'd just pay first place and not reward anyone for finishing lower than that in each league. that's not true. 1st and 2nd in a league is a good league payout schedule (obviously in my opinion). [/QUOTE]Two out of 15 in your opinion deserves payouts. My opinion is 3 out of 15 is better. I know of at least 20 people at season's end who will be glad I'm running the NFBC and not you!

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:45 am

Originally posted by nydownunder:

Tom, It would certainly make people think twice about getting so personal with their critiques...and lets not forget cocky. I am all for cockiness, but I don't think people should do so hiding behind something. Unmask these guys I say! never happen. Next!

viper · Post by **viper** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:49 am

GG - I have no feelings but others seem to. Keep up the good work. It certainly makes for more interesting reading.

Greg - I guess I will go through the 25 pages and see for myself. Trying to be lazy. Snakes tend to be that way. Have to do it this weekend. Bowling tonight. First Pitch forum Thursday and SciFi Friday the next day.

[ February 23, 2005, 03:50 PM: Message edited by: viper ]

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:49 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Two out of 15 in your opinion deserves payouts. My opinion is 3 out of 15 is better. I know of at least 20 people at season's end who will be glad I'm running the NFBC and not you!

if you pay 4 out of 15, then another 20 people would be happy.

but, to get back to my initial point, you already have prize money for 3rd place. what good do you think it does to increase it from $750 to $1000, as opposed to adding the extra money to 1st or 2nd place in the league or adding it to 2-8 overall. just asking the question.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:06 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Two out of 15 in your opinion deserves payouts. My opinion is 3 out of 15 is better. I know of at least 20 people at season's end who will be glad I'm running the NFBC and not you!

if you pay 4 out of 15, then another 20 people would be happy.

but, to get back to my initial point, you already have prize money for 3rd place. what good do you think it does to increase it from $750 to $1000, as opposed to adding the extra money to 1st or 2nd place in the league or adding it to 2-8 overall. just asking the question. [/QUOTE]The total if we go beyond 20 leagues and add $150 to 21 third place finishers is $3,150. That's not enough to increase 2nd through 8th overall adequately. Again, my plan spreads the extra revenue across the board. You're right, I could make first place $5,150 or second place $2,400, but I think increasing third place from $750 to $900 makes more sense.

I may be wrong. And all of this might be idle chatter if we don't hit 300 or choose to stick at 300. But it's keeping you guys busy, nonetheless.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:35 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

The total if we go beyond 20 leagues and add $150 to 21 third place finishers is $3,150. That's not enough to increase 2nd through 8th overall adequately. Again, my plan spreads the extra revenue across the board. You're right, I could make first place $5,150 or second place $2,400, but I think increasing third place from $750 to $900 makes more sense.

I may be wrong. And all of this might be idle chatter if we don't hit 300 or choose to stick at 300. But it's keeping you guys busy, nonetheless. you've already announced some time ago that you'd increase the 3rd place league money if you hit 315 teams this year.

i was talking about next year, when you said that the first order of business "is to increase second place league prizes to $2,500 and third place to $1,000 and then increase the overall 2nd through 10th higher." don't make the jump to $1000. no one is complaining now that third place pays $750. are there people not joining becauuse it's only $750?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:05 am

Good, we can settle it this way: I think we can increase several areas of our prize pool in 2006 and reach a consensus on a winning formula. Let's fill up our 2005 event and pay everyone fairly who finishes in the top three in each league and we'll really shore up 1st through 10th overall starting next year. That's a guarantee.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:17 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Good, we can settle it this way: I think we can increase several areas of our prize pool in 2006 and reach a consensus on a winning formula. Let's fill up our 2005 event and pay everyone fairly who finishes in the top three in each league and we'll really shore up 1st through 10th overall starting next year. That's a guarantee. Three cheers for Greg!

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:23 am

I think free future entries is the way to go for increasing payouts for 3rd and second through 10th overall. That would make it easier to justify the travel expenses to the wife, "but honey .. I have a free entry worth $1250 and if I don't fly to Las Vegas and stay for four nights in a luxory hotel it would be just like throwing that money away"

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 12:14 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Good, we can settle it this way: I think we can increase several areas of our prize pool in 2006 and reach a consensus on a winning formula. Let's fill up our 2005 event and pay everyone fairly who finishes in the top three in each league and we'll really shore up 1st through 10th overall starting next year. That's a guarantee. well done

RichV · Post by **RichV** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:25 pm

Just to throw another opinion in the mix. For '06, if the number of entries grow by a large enough amount, how about keeping league prizes close to the same, but add winners to the overall..Maybe prize money for top 25 overall?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:02 pm

Originally posted by RichV:

Just to throw another opinion in the mix. For '06, if the number of entries grow by a large enough amount, how about keeping league prizes close to the same, but add winners to the overall..Maybe prize money for top 25 overall? I want to pay over $8,000 in league prizes and grow the overall prize structure in the future. We will have modest growth next year, but if we do increase from 300 to 375 or even 405, we need to increase the grand prize a little and increase the number of overall winners. You can't increase by 100+ teams and still pay only the top 8 overall. I agree with that.

Top prize of $125,000 has a nice ring to it, larger league prizes and at least Top 12 overall increases would be a good start. Once we know where we've finished this year and how many cities we'll be in next year, I will do the math and discuss it here. I wouldn't dare make a move without the approval of my trustees!

RichV · Post by **RichV** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:14 pm

Nice!