Strasburg

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:12 am

Originally posted by MichiganFantasyTeam:

Some people are acting like the announcers from the game, It's one game...one!

My season projection model says:

10-2

2.55 era

0.98 whip

120/30 k/bb

102 ip

Money · Post by **Money** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:29 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by MichiganFantasyTeam:

Some people are acting like the announcers from the game, It's one game...one!

My season projection model says:

10-2

2.55 era

0.98 whip

120/30 k/bb

102 ip [/QUOTE]Boy, I'd take that right now. K's might be low (can't belive I said that). They should've pitched him from day one, they'd have made up the money in the sold out stadiums and they would be 4-6 games better in the standings, putting them close to the top

Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:47 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by MichiganFantasyTeam:

Some people are acting like the announcers from the game, It's one game...one!

My season projection model says:

10-2

2.55 era

0.98 whip

120/30 k/bb

102 ip [/QUOTE]Early 2nd Round pick next year?

LONG GONE · Post by **LONG GONE** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:52 am

I agree with your numbers KJ. He will walk less then 30. If they let him pitch 175 innings next year he will be the first pitcher off the board next year.

cugjp1 · Post by **cugjp1** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:02 pm

Now here is a question....what if they are in the running for the playoffs? I know that sounds a little silly but you go out and get an Oswalt or Lee...you stay in the hunt until October. then Stra has to pitch more innings becuase of the playoff hunt...he then pitches in the playoffs and blows his arm out....hmmmmmmmm I guess you just never know

Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:10 pm

He's getting shutdown once he reaches his innings max. Doesn't matter if the Nats make it to the World Series. Around Sept 1 he will be done

Ando · Post by **Ando** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:56 pm

He threw 55 in the minors this year. I expect 95 in DC totaling 150. Next year, I suppose 175-180 IP would be an accurate expecatation. They will error on the side of caution here, no doubt.

The Mighty Men · Post by **The Mighty Men** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:01 pm

Originally posted by Red Sox Nation:

He's getting shutdown once he reaches his innings max. Doesn't matter if the Nats make it to the World Series. Around Sept 1 he will be done That is just stupid. If the Nats made it to the World Series, you pitch him. That's the point of baseball.

rkulaski · Post by **rkulaski** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:20 pm

Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

quote:Originally posted by Red Sox Nation:

He's getting shutdown once he reaches his innings max. Doesn't matter if the Nats make it to the World Series. Around Sept 1 he will be done That is just stupid. If the Nats made it to the World Series, you pitch him. That's the point of baseball. [/QUOTE]And considering over 40,000 were at the Nats game to see Strasburg, I can't see them shutting him down in Sept if a playoff spot is within reach.

[ June 09, 2010, 10:26 PM: Message edited by: rkulaski ]

converge241 · Post by **converge241** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:20 am

He may face tougher lineups but if its so weak as to point to it for a part of his success - how many other SP's have 14k games against the 2010 Pirates team?

Dub · Post by **Dub** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:31 am

I walked into every draft with the intention of drafting Stasburg (and Heyward). I got them in none. Kudos to everyone who believed. They will get their monies worth and then some.

Stras has 3 plus plus pitches with great control. Gooden had only two. He is a big kid with a free and easy delivery. He is once in a generation special and I agree he will be from 1 to 3 SPs off the board in all drafts next year.

He might even be able to solve the Gulf crises if given the chance.

Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:55 am

Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

quote:Originally posted by Red Sox Nation:

He's getting shutdown once he reaches his innings max. Doesn't matter if the Nats make it to the World Series. Around Sept 1 he will be done That is just stupid. If the Nats made it to the World Series, you pitch him. That's the point of baseball. [/QUOTE]He threw 109 innings in 2009. If the Nats make it to the World Series he would be near 200 IP this year. There is no way the Nats do this or should do this. This kid is 21 years old and the only thing that can prevent him from being great is injuries or off the field issues. I know in today's age pitchers are babied but he I think it makes sense with this kid. Those fans who just decided to come to the park yesterday will go away just as fast if Strasburg is injured.

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:56 am

I know he is not Mark Prior, although as a Cub fan I can’t help but make comparisons.

In Prior’s first season, age 21, he threw 167.2 innings combined between the minor leagues and the Cubs.

During his second season, 2003, he pitched 234.2

innings. 211.1 in the regular season and an additional 23.1 during the playoffs, including fateful game 6. Whether or not this had anything to do with his eventual arm problems is anyone’s guess.

Again; I know he’s not Prior, or anyone else for that matter, but the Nationals are not going to the playoffs. Why take an unnecessary risk?

I would expect the Nationals to keep him at the 160ish mark this year and under 200 next year.

Side note: I’ve been a Jim Riggleman fan since he was with the Cubs. I thought he did a great job Tuesday night with Strasburg. He made the correct baseball move when he left Strasburg in to pitch the seventh, but the right move isn’t always the easiest move. Riggleman had the whole baseball world watching his every move, including his boss.

MadCow Sez · Post by **MadCow Sez** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:18 am

Mark Fidrych?

LONG GONE · Post by **LONG GONE** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:16 am

Stop what your doing....and go watch the best pitcher in baseball.

whipsaw · Post by **whipsaw** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:19 am

Originally posted by LONG GONE:

Stop what your doing....and go watch the best pitcher in baseball. David Huff?

Da bears · Post by **Da bears** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:41 am

I see that Strasburg will be shut down for the next 10 days. I say just shut him down for the rest of the season.

The Nationals manager ruined the young arms of Wood and Prior when he coached the Cubs.

I'd hate to see him ruin the arm of another young phenom.

It isn't like the Nationals are in playoff contention or something. There is no reason to push this kid too much the rest of the season and worth risking his future.

[ July 29, 2010, 09:45 AM: Message edited by: Da bears ]

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:02 am

Originally posted by Da bears:

I see that Strasburg will be shut down for the next 10 days. I say just shut him down for the rest of the season.

The Nationals manager ruined the young arms of Wood and Prior when he coached the Cubs.

I'd hate to see him ruin the arm of another young phenom.

It isn't like the Nationals are in playoff contention or something. There is no reason to push this kid too much the rest of the season and worth risking his future. Riggleman did not manage Mark Prior, Dusty Baker did. As for K Wood, he had a horribly flawed motion that put so much torque on his elbow it was almost a guarantee to snap.

I think Riggleman is a good manager that has been with some very bad teams.

Da bears · Post by **Da bears** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:12 am

Originally posted by Navel Lint:

quote:Originally posted by Da bears:

I see that Strasburg will be shut down for the next 10 days. I say just shut him down for the rest of the season.

The Nationals manager ruined the young arms of Wood and Prior when he coached the Cubs.

I'd hate to see him ruin the arm of another young phenom.

It isn't like the Nationals are in playoff contention or something. There is no reason to push this kid too much the rest of the season and worth risking his future. Riggleman did not manage Mark Prior, Dusty Baker did. As for K Wood, he had a horribly flawed motion that put so much torque on his elbow it was almost a guarantee to snap.

I think Riggleman is a good manager that has been with some very bad teams. [/QUOTE]Yeah thats right. I forgot that Baker managed Prior My memory isn't as good as it used to be.

[ July 29, 2010, 10:13 AM: Message edited by: Da bears ]

Dub · Post by **Dub** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:18 am

Originally posted by Da bears:

quote:Originally posted by Navel Lint:

quote:Originally posted by Da bears:

I see that Strasburg will be shut down for the next 10 days. I say just shut him down for the rest of the season.

The Nationals manager ruined the young arms of Wood and Prior when he coached the Cubs.

I'd hate to see him ruin the arm of another young phenom.

It isn't like the Nationals are in playoff contention or something. There is no reason to push this kid too much the rest of the season and worth risking his future. Riggleman did not manage Mark Prior, Dusty Baker did. As for K Wood, he had a horribly flawed motion that put so much torque on his elbow it was almost a guarantee to snap.

I think Riggleman is a good manager that has been with some very bad teams. [/QUOTE]Yeah thats right. I forgot that Baker managed Prior My memory isn't as good as it used to be.

[/QUOTE]I think the DL'g of Starssburg (if they actually do it) falls into the Latos suspicious category.

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:37 am

Originally posted by Hawk:

Costas could not possibly be more over the top about Strasburg. He was saying early on how if Strasburg lived up to his potential that he would not just be a Hall of Famer but an historic player.

Maybe the kid earns it. Maybe he's Doc Gooden, Roger Clemens and Nolan Ryan all rolled into one. Or maybe he's Mark Prior.

My memo to Mr. Costas would read: No rookie - especially one in his first start - should be mentioned in the breath with the words Hall of Fame. Ever. It's too long a road and it's littered with "coulda, woulda and shoulda" players