2005 NFBC Feedback Thread

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:05 am

Originally posted by Kevin D:

Get pumped Gekko. There WAS a power strip in LV #1. We were in that league and they ran the cord to the strip under the table to the center of the "U" right next to us. They were powered that way for the entire draft. No need to power up or charge batteries during breaks. They had continuous juice. adding fuel to the fire

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:05 am

Originally posted by Jackstraw:

Oh yeah, one other thing... For everyone that is complaining about the pitching strategies that seem to be very popular this year, get over it. The draft and auctions are dynamic events and strategy is a huge part of the game. If people use this strategy to try and win (which is possible) it is up to you to try and counterattack during the draft. The draft is not just where you go in and pick your favorite players or who you think will do the best, but it is also like a battle to stop other teams from getting what they need. If you can't act and react during the draft or auction, then you are at a disadvantage that changing the rules won't be able to help. In short, the NFBC makes the rules and we should figure out how to manipulate them to our own best advantage. Agreed, Jack - and I might even go out on a limb and project that the funky strategies won't win, but some of them will get people in the money in their leagues.

Counting in blackjack is a 'sure thing', too - but you may be surprised how many people lose their shirts doing it.

Punting categories is monsterous risk and may put a good drafter in the 'money' in their league, but it will not win the overall.

Did you know that (upon reflection) people that drafted 3 WR in the first 5 picks in the NFFC were by far and away the most consistent point producers in the entire contest... and none won their leagues.

Dyv

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:08 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Dyv:

Can anyone quote the exact rules on electricity? I can't find anything specific anywhere?

I realize the NFBC has stated they will not be responsible for providing electricty to each person. Did they also strictly forbid people from using plugs if they were within reach of their draft location?

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:

As far as the extension cord, you can't hook your laptop up to an outlet during the draft, so if you bring a laptop bring plenty of batteries. i called tom on the phone before the draft and he told me the same as above. also asked him at the auction and draft...told me the same thing. to my knowledge everyone in chicago was held to this rule/standard.

i had 4 outlets less than 5 feet away from me, and i still couldn't fire it up while the draft was going on [/QUOTE]I wasn't aware of this application of the rule. It seems logical to me that while the NFBC isn't able to PROVIDE the outlets that when one is right there it seems silly to not use it or to use it only during breaks. Clearly there needs to be a more refined rule for next year. Ban all the computers

Dyv

rmurph3 · Post by **rmurph3** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:09 am

Rocky told people in NY that they could plug in if they could reach the outlet, which kind of aggravated me since I spent money on an extra battery the week before the draft.

Plymouth · Post by **Plymouth** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:18 am

I agree with Gekko, I thought the rule was clear cut, no PC's could be plugged in during the draft but they could be recharged during breaks. Having some people be able to have their PC's plugged in was an unfair advantage. Sounds like NY was kind of doing what ever they pleased that week-end.

nydownunder · Post by **nydownunder** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:27 am

Regarding the outlets:

My facilitator, NY#2 Pick#1, whom was great as Steve mentioned above, constantly offered me the opportunity to use a socket for my computer, but I continually turned him down out of fairness to everyone there. If everyone else came with the expectation that they could not be used, then everyone should have respected that. Having brought a computer I was totally prepared with backup batteries.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:32 am

Speaking of rocky , he did a great job with the new york auction. Ive done 5 auctions now and by far rocky was the best , consistent all the way thru.Some auctions a just way to fast and that takes the fun out of it.We also had a bunch of good guys , little joking was a lot of fun.Some auctions you cant say anything if you get a couple old grumps.Fandango , top dawg , seats 1, 2 ,3, 6, 10, all kept it fun. Great job rock

ILD BE BACK BAD [ass] ANGELS

Nevadaman · Post by **Nevadaman** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:33 am

Eddie, I drafted third in the Ultimate. When Pujols fell to me, I knew I was going to have a good day! Closers went so early, I decided to tank them. As a result, I am strong in every area but saves. Of course, the biggest factor in winning or losing is injuries, so all I can do is hope the DL doesn't kill me. By the way, I also love Cabrera's potential. I'm not crazy! I was just talking about the selection point only. Good luck to you this season.

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:38 am

The electricity rule was applied as follows in LV mixed league #2:

You couldn't use electricity during draft, but could recharge if you wanted during breaks.

Since I went and got 3 extra batteries, I was ok. I thought this was fair because anyone could go and find a hotel outlet to charge during breaks + it didn't penalize people who didn't bring their computer based on the statement that no electricity would be provided during the draft

Chris

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:09 am

I'm not trying to be an attorney here, but there does seem to be a difference between 'provided' (i.e. they brought the extension cord in to you) vs. 'taken on your own intitiative'.

If they didn't outlaw electricity then I don't see the debate. Again, clearly there should be a rule clarification for next year but I don't see any particular advantage to who had to drop $70 on a new laptop battery vs. who didn't. Perhaps a waste of money, but not an advantage that I can find.

Dyv

Evil Empire · Post by **Evil Empire** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:18 am

I agree DVY. The real issue here is some teams having internet access and others not.

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:23 am

Originally posted by GCA73:

I agree DVY. The real issue here is some teams having internet access and others not. That just makes me jealous... Alex Sanchez was going to play somewhere, but knowing he had a starting gig for a few months would have been nice!

nydownunder · Post by **nydownunder** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:27 am

Originally posted by GCA73:

I agree DVY. The real issue here is some teams having internet access and others not. Now that's reaching! Even if someone had remote access I don't see it being a whole lot different than a friend of yours sitting in front of a player news website at home and ringing you with pertanent imformation. This is the 21st centrury and this (NFBC) isn't a bunch of friends sitting around on a Sunday for a friendly rotisserie league.

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:30 am

Originally posted by nydownunder:

quote:Originally posted by GCA73:

I agree DVY. The real issue here is some teams having internet access and others not. Now that's reaching! Even if someone had remote access I don't see it being a whole lot different than a friend of yours sitting in front of a player news website at home and ringing you with pertanent imformation. This is the 21st centrury and this (NFBC) isn't a bunch of friends sitting around on a Sunday for a friendly rotisserie league. [/QUOTE]Probably not a whole lot different - except I didn't have a friend at home ringing me with pertinent information

I should have a data team set up for next year, though - and wireless access to be sure.

D

nydownunder · Post by **nydownunder** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:30 am

Originally posted by Dyv:

quote:Originally posted by GCA73:

I agree DVY. The real issue here is some teams having internet access and others not. That just makes me jealous... Alex Sanchez was going to play somewhere, but knowing he had a starting gig for a few months would have been nice! [/QUOTE]I didn't know about his Tampa Bay signing during the draft, but I still would have taken a 23+ round flier that he would end up somewhere for at least a little while. As a 6th OF for about 30-40 games would be enough for me.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:31 am

Originally posted by Dyv:

I'm not trying to be an attorney here, but there does seem to be a difference between 'provided' (i.e. they brought the extension cord in to you) vs. 'taken on your own intitiative'.where is the word "provided"? see below. it can't be any more clearer that that.

this had a DEFINITE affect on my auction/draft. there's not too many things that get me upset, but this seems to be one of them. an unfair advantage can't happen. btw, i didn't buy new batteries. i bought a new laptop only because i was told multiple times, no outlets while the draft was taking place. i'd like to hear from greg first before taking this any further.

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:

As far as the extension cord, you can't hook your laptop up to an outlet during the draft, so if you bring a laptop bring plenty of batteries.

nydownunder · Post by **nydownunder** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:38 am

Gekko,

How did it affect you? Apologies if I missed a previous post.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:44 am

posted February 08, 2005 01:11 PM

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Well, the Javits Center had NO outlets last year. They were tough to work with, trust me. But we still don't like to get caught in a situation where we have to provide everyone power, bring power strips and extension cords for everyone and have a fight over outlets, so our rules state that no outlets are allowed and you should bring strong batteries for your laptops. If you want to recharge them at the breaks, I think we will have some power outlets in that room, unlike the situation we had at the Javits Center last year.

nydownunder · Post by **nydownunder** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:46 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

posted February 08, 2005 01:11 PM

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Well, the Javits Center had NO outlets last year. They were tough to work with, trust me. But we still don't like to get caught in a situation where we have to provide everyone power, bring power strips and extension cords for everyone and have a fight over outlets, so our rules state that no outlets are allowed and you should bring strong batteries for your laptops. If you want to recharge them at the breaks, I think we will have some power outlets in that room, unlike the situation we had at the Javits Center last year. [/QUOTE]So you didn't have outlets to recharge? Or did other managers have outlets during the draft whereby you didn't? I'm just confused as to what upset you specifically.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:03 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Dyv:

I'm not trying to be an attorney here, but there does seem to be a difference between 'provided' (i.e. they brought the extension cord in to you) vs. 'taken on your own intitiative'.where is the word "provided"? see below. it can't be any more clearer that that.

this had a DEFINITE affect on my auction/draft. there's not too many things that get me upset, but this seems to be one of them. an unfair advantage can't happen. btw, i didn't buy new batteries. i bought a new laptop only because i was told multiple times, no outlets while the draft was taking place. i'd like to hear from greg first before taking this any further.

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:

As far as the extension cord, you can't hook your laptop up to an outlet during the draft, so if you bring a laptop bring plenty of batteries. [/QUOTE]C'mon GG, this is a very minor issue since there were alternatives - extra battery, charge during the break. A small inconvenience at most. Everyone should've prepared for the worst - no power; if some got it, so what.

I charged during the break at auction and died in the 28th for the main - didn't affect my decision-making.

Evil Empire · Post by **Evil Empire** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:11 am

Originally posted by NY downunder

Now that's reaching! Even if someone had remote access I don't see it being a whole lot different than a friend of yours sitting in front of a player news website at home and ringing you with pertanent imformation. This is the 21st centrury and this (NFBC) isn't a bunch of friends sitting around on a Sunday for a friendly rotisserie league.

I took Sanchez myself late and I was pleasantly suprised to see he had a job when I got home.3 or 4 years back Matt Herges was traded during my draft opening the door for Eric Gagne and the rest was history. Some may think its reaching but this stuff happens and having internet access when others do not can be an unfair advantage.

P.S. I dont know what kind of friends you have NY down under, but I can tell you this, they need to get a life if they are "sitting in front of a player news website at home and ringing you with pertanent imformation."

nydownunder · Post by **nydownunder** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:22 am

Originally posted by GCA73:

Originally posted by NY downunder

quote: Now that's reaching! Even if someone had remote access I don't see it being a whole lot different than a friend of yours sitting in front of a player news website at home and ringing you with pertanent imformation. This is the 21st centrury and this (NFBC) isn't a bunch of friends sitting around on a Sunday for a friendly rotisserie league.

I took Sanchez myself late and I was pleasantly suprised to see he had a job when I got home.3 or 4 years back Matt Herges was traded during my draft opening the door for Eric Gagne and the rest was history. Some may think its reaching but this stuff happens and having internet access when others do not can be an unfair advantage.

P.S. I dont know what kind of friends you have NY down under, but I can tell you this, they need to get a life if they are "sitting in front of a player news website at home and ringing you with pertanent imformation." [/QUOTE]Do you know how to read? I never said I had friends sitting home in front..... I made a comparison of that and remote access. And I presume you had problems with those will cell phones....and let me guess, you had a stop watch at the draft as well to make sure the facilitator wasn't giving anyone an unfair advantage. And oh, and I heard there was an assitant manager in LV that is a clairvoyant. Any other ridiculous things you'd like to cry about?

Evil Empire · Post by **Evil Empire** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:24 am

Yeah I know how to read. You made a comment that holds not relevance to my original post.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:26 am

My cell phone has internet access. I should leave it at home next year so that everyone has a fair shot at winning.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:12 am

Mark Srebro,

Did you buy that new computer from your vast financial empire, or the money you made by contacting people who were already interested in the NFBC and telling them to put you as a referal and you would split the 100 bucks with them? Come on and try to tell people you did not do that?