All Time Draft Thread

G@mblor · Post by **G@mblor** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:10 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

I sent you one this morning.

Did you get it? Sounds like someones player was taken

vpokrnut · Post by **vpokrnut** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:16 am

I am done Team # 13 on the clock. Had to send in 4 names only.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:16 am

Originally posted by G@mblor:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

I sent you one this morning.

Did you get it? Sounds like someones player was taken [/QUOTE]So do the all hitting teams lay low and slide a pitcher through?

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:17 am

We are now on team 14!

G@mblor · Post by **G@mblor** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:25 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by G@mblor:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

I sent you one this morning.

Did you get it? Sounds like someones player was taken [/QUOTE]So do the all hitting teams lay low and slide a pitcher through? [/QUOTE]Maybe they took another hitter, knowing people would expect them to take a pitcher

Likewhat17 · Post by **Likewhat17** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:28 am

With the list of names that were taken, are we going to announce at all anyone that was attempted to be taken but denied?

Still seems like the teams that were told a player was off the board have extra information that could be useful to the rest of the group.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:32 am

Originally posted by Likewhat17:

With the list of names that were taken, are we going to announce at all anyone that was attempted to be taken but denied?

Still seems like the teams that were told a player was off the board have extra information that could be useful to the rest of the group. How could they have extra info when all names are revealed after two more picks?

G@mblor · Post by **G@mblor** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:33 am

Originally posted by Likewhat17:

With the list of names that were taken, are we going to announce at all anyone that was attempted to be taken but denied?

Still seems like the teams that were told a player was off the board have extra information that could be useful to the rest of the group. I was wondering that as well.

Likewhat17 · Post by **Likewhat17** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:39 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by Likewhat17:

With the list of names that were taken, are we going to announce at all anyone that was attempted to be taken but denied?

Still seems like the teams that were told a player was off the board have extra information that could be useful to the rest of the group. How could they have extra info when all names are revealed after two more picks? [/QUOTE]Say that pick 6 tried to take a player who was already taken. Then he tried again, and selected another player already taken. Pick 6 now knows 2 players that were taken somewhere in the first 5 picks. This makes it easier for him to potentially piece together the blind round.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:40 am

dough - can u post your email again? thx

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:42 am

I'm not buying that one, Dave

It's natural that there'll be curiosity. If you guys like and agree, I can tell you the most wanted players after I post the names.

G@mblor · Post by **G@mblor** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:44 am

Originally posted by Likewhat17:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by Likewhat17:

With the list of names that were taken, are we going to announce at all anyone that was attempted to be taken but denied?

Still seems like the teams that were told a player was off the board have extra information that could be useful to the rest of the group. How could they have extra info when all names are revealed after two more picks? [/QUOTE]Say that pick 6 tried to take a player who was already taken. Then he

tried again, and selected another player already taken. Pick 6 now knows 2 players that were taken somewhere in the first 5 picks. This makes it easier for him to potentially piece together the blind round. [/QUOTE]Problem is that it would be unfair to say pick 6 tried to get player x. You could possibly just announce that there was a conflict with a player ( and how many times) without saying where the conflict occurred.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:46 am

Originally posted by Likewhat17:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by Likewhat17:

With the list of names that were taken, are we going to announce at all anyone that was attempted to be taken but denied?

Still seems like the teams that were told a player was off the board have extra information that could be useful to the rest of the group. How could they have extra info when all names are revealed after two more picks? [/QUOTE]Say that pick 6 tried to take a player who was already taken. Then he tried again, and selected another player already taken. Pick 6 now knows 2 players that were taken somewhere in the first 5 picks. This makes it easier for him to potentially piece together the blind round. [/QUOTE]You will have the same opportunity when you draft last in a blind round.

[ October 28, 2011, 08:50 AM: Message edited by: CC's Desperados ]

G@mblor · Post by **G@mblor** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:50 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Likewhat17:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by Likewhat17:

With the list of names that were taken, are we going to announce at all anyone that was attempted to be taken but denied?

Still seems like the teams that were told a player was off the board have extra information that could be useful to the rest of the group. How could they have extra info when all names are revealed after two more picks? [/QUOTE]Say

that pick 6 tried to take a player who was already taken. Then he tried again, and selected another player already taken. Pick 6 now knows 2 players that were taken somewhere in the first 5 picks. This makes it easier for him to potentially piece together the blind round. [/QUOTE]You will the same opportunity when you draft last in a blind round. [/QUOTE]It's a little different being on the end. When you pick first in the blind rounds you have 0 chance of gaining any information and when you pick last the chances of you being able to make an educated guess aren't very good since you have 14 drafters ahead of you. It's not a big deal, I just don't think it would be a big deal to say 5 players tried to take player x. Either way works though.

Likewhat17 · Post by **Likewhat17** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:53 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

I'm not buying that one, Dave

It's natural that there'll be curiosity. If you guys like and agree, I can tell you the most wanted players after I post the names. I know it may not seem like a huge advantage to some, but consider this scenario. Let's say that Mark McGwire (70), Roger Maris (61) and Cecil Fielder (51) are the three highest HR totals selected in the blind round. I'm picking 1st, and I am battling with teams 6 and 13 for the overall lead in HR.

Pick 6 attempts to take Mark McGwire, but learns he has already been selected. He then tries to take Roger Maris, but again is told that he has already been taken.

Pick 6 knows that the two biggest HR hitters selected in the round were somewhere in the top 5 picks. If it is crucial to his strategy to win the HR battle with team 13, he knows with absolute certainty that the most HR he could have accrued in the blind round is 51 and can plan accordingly.

If team 1's strategy also relies on beating team 13 in HR, he has to assume that team 13 could have a maximum of 70 HR and plan accordingly to find an extra 20 HR which could make a tremendous difference.

Sure, it may seem small or like it doesn't matter, but it gives teams in the middle of the draft an advantage over the teams at the beginning and the end of the snake.

The teams drafting first and 15th can gain no information. The person picking 15th, regardless of if he tries to draft a player already taken, will know after he picks who the 14 ahead of him were. I just think, that although small, it does give an advantage to people in the middle of the draft.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:04 am

It's very, very, very small considering that the other teams are trying to catch up in that category as well and could have just as easily taken the home run hitters.

Likewhat17 · Post by **Likewhat17** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:06 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

It's very, very, very small considering that the other teams are trying to catch up in that category as well and could have just as easily taken the home run hitters. Maybe, but by the end of the draft when you're trying to piece everything together before making your last pick every bit of information helps. I think that at the very least releasing how many times a player was attempted to be drafted would be good.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:07 am

Also, we have four blind rounds. Nobody will know anything with a great degree of certainty.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:09 am

Originally posted by Likewhat17:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

It's very, very, very small considering that the other teams are trying to catch up in that category as well and could have just as easily taken the home run hitters. Maybe, but by the end of the draft when you're trying to piece everything together before making your last pick every bit of information helps. I think that at the very least releasing how many times a player was attempted to be drafted would be good. [/QUOTE]I've thought about this and I can't release that information.

It wouldn't be fair to some teams.

You'll have to trust me on this one.

Likewhat17 · Post by **Likewhat17** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:12 am

[/qb][/QUOTE]I've thought about this and I can't release that information.

It wouldn't be fair to some teams.

You'll have to trust me on this one. [/QB][/quote]

I'll roll with whatever decision the group makes, I'm just curious how releasing the number of times a player was attempted to be drafted wouldn't be fair to some teams?

How any moreso than those same teams already having extra information that the rest of the league doesnt?

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:13 am

Originally posted by Likewhat17:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

It's very, very, very small considering that the other teams are trying to catch up in that category as well and could have just as easily taken the home run hitters. Maybe, but by the end of the draft when you're trying to piece everything together before making your last pick every bit of information helps. I think that at the very least releasing how many times a player was attempted to be drafted would be good. [/QUOTE]Maybe next time, you can move your KDS to the middle!

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:22 am

I personally believe that the concerns over a strategic edge that led to the creation and continues after the creation of these blind rounds have been dramatically blown out of proportion. My one contribution to these debates was to recommend not even having blind rounds. That they continue to be such a focus for so many is a bit perplexing and honestly distracting for what this draft was originally supposed to be about.

I'm still having a blast, but I'd much rather focus on the draft itself than any perceived miniscule advantage one drafter may have over another every step of the way.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:30 am

Some hitters like the runner on second to flash a sign for the pitch, some hitters want no idea what is coming and just want to hit the ball.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:31 am

The unknown is always magnified, especially in fantasy sports. It's why we bring gizmo's to the draft. We want to know everything.

The angst is natural and human nature.

I don't think it detracts from the draft. It adds another layer of intrigue.

G@mblor · Post by **G@mblor** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:32 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by Likewhat17:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

It's very, very, very small considering that the other teams are trying to catch up in that category as well and could have just as easily taken the home run hitters. Maybe, but by the end of the draft when you're trying to piece everything together before making your last pick every bit of information helps. I think that at the very least releasing how many times a player was attempted to be drafted would be good. [/QUOTE]I've thought about this and I can't release that information.

It wouldn't be fair to some teams.

You'll have to trust me on this one. [/QUOTE]I will do whatever everyone wants but I also don't see how saying that 5 teams tried to select player x is unfair. Nobody would know which 5 teams tried to select him unless both pick #1 and pick #2 did so (which is the same case as it is now). If team 8 tries to pick three different players and is told all three are have been taken he gets the unavoidable advantage of being able to narrow down who took who. Telling everyone that there was a conflict for a certain player would help balance out some of that advantage and since you wouldn't know where that conflict occured I don't see how it would be unfair. Knowing 5 players tried to choose player x won't give away any information other than that he player is in high demand. You wouldn't know which teams tried to select him.