NFBC Keeper League Rules and Signup

Terry Pass · Post by **Terry Pass** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:15 am

Confirmed for draft league- just waiting on date.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:58 am

calling G.A.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:41 pm

^^ bump ^^

bluenose · Post by **bluenose** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:05 am

I'm in, provided that the draft date is at all workable for me (the sooner it's announced, the sooner I can confirm...). Please advise.

I wish we could do it for smaller stakes as I'm afraid at $1,000 we'll have too many people not wanting to re-up. Not calling anybody out, so I guess I'll just call myself out and say that if I finish 14th with two viable keepers I would have to think long/hard about ploughing another $1,000 in for what is likely a rebuilding year. I mean, I probably would because I'm a ridiculous degenerate but other people might be more discerning.

As an aside, I think we need clarity on the minor league roster rule. To draft somebody as a minor league player, does he have to be off the 40-man roster, or just have "options" left, or what's the story? Can we consider a deeper minor league bench? Total of 40 on roster seems magical to me...

Also, as NFBC rules change (IP minimum, Sept. DL, blah blah) do Keeper rules change with them or do they stay frozen at 2007? Certainly as the IP minimum creeps up this could afect a team wanting to run lots of RP...

Please advise.

B

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:49 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Here is who we have so far. I'll talk to Greg about a date then try to firm up the signups to see if there will be any more openings for this lge.

DRAFT League (Online, Time TBD):

1. George Kleemann

2. Berkshire Juggernauts

3. Scorpion

4. Rick Thomas

5. Jesse Herron (interested in either format)

6. NoBalls

7. Stephen Jupinka

8. KJ Duke

9. Greg Morgan

10. Jeff Dobies

11. Rob Dykhoff

12. bluenose

13. stargell's stars

14. Heels

15. bmike Okay, I apologize to Kevin that I've been so hard to get a hold of this last month, but duty called on the magazine and that meant bunkering down and not doing anything else. Now that I'm able to come up for air, let's finalize this league. I'm happy to run an NFBC Keeper League, but I want to look at the proposed rules and make a few tweaks first. I know that the worst thing about running a Keeper League is having 2-3 guys drop out each year and then trying to sell off those teams and I'd rather set up the league now where hopefully that won't happen.

I'll hook up with Kevin today to finalize the draft date and will finalize the rules this afternoon and post 'em here. Once we have the draft date, then we can talk about when we'll run the credit cards and how we'll do the deposit. Then I need to work with STATS to make sure we can do all this, but I don't see any problems. Then we'll hook up with MDC.com and get the league set up.

Kevin, shoot me an e-mail this morning with a phone number where I can call you and we'll get this done. Sorry for the delay, but congrats on filling this up. Should be a fun, fun league.

George, we finally got that Keeper League for ya!!

Terry Pass · Post by **Terry Pass** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 7:25 am

bluenose brings some interesting points up, especially concerning possible dropouts after a year or two. Here is a possibiltiy. We could lower the entry fee to 750 and charge 1750 the first year. That would pay for two years AND a 250 deposit for year number three. Even if year three were a rebuilding year one would only have to come up with 500 for year three.

The problem is always the same- dropouts after the season and I'm not sure 25% deposit of the entry fee is enough. Just some thoughts.

Terry

[ January 03, 2008, 01:42 PM: Message edited by: Scorpion ]

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:34 am

Dropouts have been minimal in my private lge, which is very similar to this lge. If we get a good group I don't expect it to be a major issue. If you're signed up because you think you can dominate this group by playing for one season only, look elsewhere because (a) you won't

, and (b) we don't want you.

If you're signed up because you want to compete against the best fantasy minds yr after yr as a member of the first-ever NFBC keeper lge, you've come to the right place.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:42 am

Originally posted by bluenose:

I'm in, provided that the draft date is at all workable for me (the sooner it's announced, the sooner I can confirm...). Please advise.

I wish we could do it for smaller stakes as I'm afraid at $1,000 we'll have too many people not wanting to re-up. Not calling anybody out, so I guess I'll just call myself out and say that if I finish 14th with two viable keepers I would have to think long/hard about ploughing another $1,000 in for what is likely a rebuilding year. I mean, I probably would because I'm a ridiculous degenerate but other people might be more discerning.

As an aside, I think we need clarity on the minor league roster rule. To draft somebody as a minor league player, does he have to be off the 40-man roster, or just have "options" left, or what's the story? Can we consider a deeper minor league bench? Total of 40 on roster seems magical to me...

Also, as NFBC rules change (IP minimum, Sept. DL, blah blah) do Keeper rules change with them or do they stay frozen at 2007? Certainly as the IP minimum creeps up this could afect a team wanting to run lots of RP...

Please advise.

B As currently proposed, minor lge players must be a minor leaguer and have ROY eligibility (less than 45 major lge IP, hitters with less than 130 major lge ABs) still intact. The club's 40-man roster doesn't come into play here one way or another. Three minor lge players works well because it doesn't become prohibitive to new teams wanting to join.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:04 am

duke - clean out your damn PM mailbox

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:32 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

duke - clean out your damn PM mailbox done gek

Terry Pass · Post by **Terry Pass** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:15 pm

Ok. Thanks. I'm sure you've thought the situation out. I'm sure everything will be fine. Sounds like a lot of fun.

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:24 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by bluenose:

I'm in, provided that the draft date is at all workable for me (the sooner it's announced, the sooner I can confirm...). Please advise.

I wish we could do it for smaller stakes as I'm afraid at $1,000 we'll have too many people not wanting to re-up. Not calling anybody out, so I guess I'll just call myself out and say that if I finish 14th with two viable keepers I would have to think long/hard about ploughing another $1,000 in for what is likely a rebuilding year. I mean, I probably would because I'm a ridiculous degenerate but other people might be more discerning.

As an aside, I think we need clarity on the minor league roster rule. To draft somebody as a minor league player, does he have to be off the 40-man roster, or just have "options" left, or what's the story? Can we consider a deeper minor league bench? Total of 40 on roster seems magical to me...

Also, as NFBC rules change (IP minimum, Sept. DL, blah blah) do Keeper rules change with them or do they stay frozen at 2007? Certainly as the IP minimum creeps up this could afect a team wanting to run lots of RP...

Please advise.

B As currently proposed, minor lge players must be a minor leaguer and have ROY eligibility (less than 45 major lge IP, hitters with less than 130 major lge ABs) still intact. The club's 40-man roster doesn't come into play here one way or another. Three minor lge players works well because it doesn't become prohibitive to new teams wanting to join. [/QUOTE]Wrong Duke !

Additional eligibility requirements were set forth in 1971 with a rookie formally defined as a player with less than 130 at-bats, a pitcher with less than 50 innings pitched, or anyone with less than 45 days on any Major League roster.

- does this get some of my side bet $ back ??

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:32 pm

Originally posted by Quahogs:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by bluenose:

I'm in, provided that the draft date is at all workable for me (the sooner it's announced, the sooner I can confirm...). Please advise.

I wish we could do it for smaller stakes as I'm afraid at $1,000 we'll have too many people not wanting to re-up. Not calling anybody out, so I guess I'll just call myself out and say that if I finish 14th with two viable keepers I would have to think long/hard about ploughing another $1,000 in for what is likely a rebuilding year. I mean, I probably would because I'm a ridiculous degenerate but other people might be more discerning.

As an aside, I think we need clarity on the minor league roster rule. To draft somebody as a minor league player, does he have to be off the 40-man roster, or just have "options" left, or what's the story? Can we consider a deeper minor league bench? Total of 40 on roster seems magical to me...

Also, as NFBC rules change (IP minimum, Sept. DL, blah blah) do Keeper rules change with them or do they stay frozen at 2007? Certainly as the IP minimum creeps up this could afect a team wanting to run lots of RP...

Please advise.

B As currently proposed, minor lge players must be a minor leaguer and have ROY eligibility (less than 45 major lge IP, hitters with less than 130 major lge ABs) still intact. The club's 40-man roster doesn't come into play here one way or another. Three minor lge players works well because it doesn't become prohibitive to new teams wanting to join. [/QUOTE]Wrong Duke !

Additional eligibility requirements were set forth in 1971 with a rookie formally defined as a player with less than 130 at-bats, a pitcher with less than 50 innings pitched, or anyone with less than 45 days on any Major League roster.

- does this get some of my side bet $ back ??

[/QUOTE]really, 50 IP? Thanks Q, I'll change that - but I am not screwing with the 45 days on a roster eligibility. Good luck to anyone that can find the "days on a roster" list.

and no on your 2nd question, but I might go double or nothing if you're feeling Chad Tracy this season

[ January 03, 2008, 08:54 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:33 am

We need two more players for this league, looking for year-after-year NFBC players.

The draft date will be Saturday, March 8 @ 7pm EST on mockdraftcentral.com. Participants will be charged $1,250 for their first season, $1,000 entry plus a $250 deposit which will be applied toward next season's entry fee (if you choose not to return in '09, you will forfeit your deposit).

DRAFT League Sign-up List

1. KJ Duke **CONFIRMED**

2. Mike Cameron **CONFIRMED**

3. Greg Morgan **CONFIRMED**

4. Terry Passalacqua **CONFIRMED**

5. Stephen Jupinka **CONFIRMED**

6. Rick Thomas **CONFIRMED**

7. Jeff Dobies **CONFIRMED**

8. Jesse Herron **CONFIRMED**

9. George Kleemann **CONFIRMED**

10. Jeff Meyer **CONFIRMED**

11. Shawn Young **CONFIRMED**

12. Will Tyrer **CONFIRMED**

13. Bruce Lev **CONFIRMED**

14.

15.

Payouts will be $7,000, $3,000 and $2,000 for 1st, 2nd and 3rd, respectively. The balance due for the following season's entry ($750 after the deposit is applied) will be deducted from the winning teams' payouts, so all winning teams will be paid-up for the next season.

[ January 09, 2008, 10:37 AM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:14 am

[ January 14, 2008, 01:33 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:42 am

[ January 14, 2008, 01:32 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:32 am

Now we need just ONE more player for this league.

The draft date will be Saturday, March 8 @ 7pm EST on mockdraftcentral.com. Participants will be charged $1,250 for their first season, $1,000 entry plus a $250 deposit which will be applied toward next season's entry fee (if you choose not to return in '09, you will forfeit your deposit).

DRAFT League Sign-up List

1. KJ Duke **CONFIRMED**

2. Mike Cameron **CONFIRMED**

3. Greg Morgan **CONFIRMED**

4. Terry Passalacqua **CONFIRMED**

5. Stephen Jupinka **CONFIRMED**

6. Rick Thomas **CONFIRMED**

7. Jeff Dobies **CONFIRMED**

8. Jesse Herron **CONFIRMED**

9. George Kleemann **CONFIRMED**

10. Jeff Meyer **CONFIRMED**

11. Shawn Young **CONFIRMED**

12. Will Tyrer **CONFIRMED**

13. Bruce Lev **CONFIRMED**

14. Michael Miranda **CONFIRMED**

15.

Payouts will be $7,000, $3,000 and $2,000 for 1st, 2nd and 3rd, respectively. The balance due for the following season's entry ($750 after the deposit is applied) will be deducted from the winning teams' payouts, so all winning teams will be paid-up for the next season.

See first post for rules.

[ January 14, 2008, 01:33 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

bmike · Post by **bmike** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:49 am

Kevin,

How are we to get the money to you?

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:40 am

Originally posted by bmike:

Kevin,

How are we to get the money to you?

Greg will take in the money, I'm just getting the group together.

RedRyder · Post by **RedRyder** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:54 am

KJ, nice group you have put together. Any thought to expanding the minor league roster spots to 6? That's the one issue I have or I'd claim that last spot.

bluenose · Post by **bluenose** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:57 am

I'd support Red Ryder in his request.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:28 am

Originally posted by RedRyder:

KJ, nice group you have put together. Any thought to expanding the minor league roster spots to 6? That's the one issue I have or I'd claim that last spot. The only concern with expanding the minor lgrs would be certain teams becoming prohibitively deep and creating lge turnover. That said, we'd love to have you Jules and I'm open to what the majority wants on this (maybe even a compromise, 4 or 5?) Come to think of it, the model for this lge has 3 MLers each in 12-tm NL and AL-only lges, so that's 72 players deep into the minors. For a mixed 15-tm lge, that would be 4.8 per team. I'd be ok going 60-75 deep with 4-5 per team.

Greg and others in this lge want to weigh in?

[ January 15, 2008, 05:32 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

ALL-IN JD · Post by **ALL-IN JD** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:50 am

Im totally fine with 5 or 6, especially if it means filling out the league

751542 · Post by **751542** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:54 am

i would vote for 6 minor leaguers, if thats what it takes to get this league filled and set a date!! RT

RedRyder · Post by **RedRyder** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:37 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by RedRyder:

KJ, nice group you have put together. Any thought to expanding the minor league roster spots to 6? That's the one issue I have or I'd claim that last spot. The only concern with expanding the minor lgrs would be certain teams becoming prohibitively deep and creating lge turnover. That said, we'd love to have you Jules and I'm open to what the majority wants on this (maybe even a compromise, 4 or 5?) Come to think of it, the model for this lge has 3 MLers each in 12-tm NL and AL-only lges, so that's 72 players deep into the minors. For a mixed 15-tm lge, that would be 4.8 per team. I'd be ok going 60-75 deep with 4-5 per team.

Greg and others in this lge want to weigh in? [/QUOTE]Okay, thanks. Let me know what the league says. I think I could live with 5, but not 4. And of course prefer 6!