It potentially favors some owners. Like KJ stated:
1. He has Lackey on his roster.
2. Lackey is supposed to start on Wed.
3. Lackey has a setback and misses the entire week.
The rules as written prior to the contest allow the Friday change. Now the rules do not allow a Friday change.
Therefore owners that are not in this position and do not lose that 1 start are POTENTIALLY favored.
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
Good, e-mail me when this happens and I'll adjust your lineup for you. No different than when someone replaces a DL person on Wednesday and then on Friday morning tries to replace him with a different reserve player (but can't because he already reserved the DL'd player). We manually help owners with their lineups all the time. Everything you explained above is within the rules.
I'm trying to work with STATS to figure out how to best make the pitchers' situation work for all cases. It's probably not going to be perfect, but yes I'll help manually if needed. Making those adjustments takes seconds from our end and we'll do it if we're contacted in the right time and it isn't constant from the same owner.
Keep the scenarios coming KJ because you see me changing the rule and I see us programming the rule as intended. As for a pitcher on the DL that I forgot to bench, what is the cutoff for when he went on the DL? Sunday, Saturday, Friday, Thursday ??? How are you going to determine intent versus forgetfullness?
Are you going to rewrite the DL rules so everyone is on equal ground for all scenarios?
Sorry Greg, this rule change is a mess.
[ April 22, 2009, 10:03 AM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
Good, e-mail me when this happens and I'll adjust your lineup for you. No different than when someone replaces a DL person on Wednesday and then on Friday morning tries to replace him with a different reserve player (but can't because he already reserved the DL'd player). We manually help owners with their lineups all the time. Everything you explained above is within the rules.
I'm trying to work with STATS to figure out how to best make the pitchers' situation work for all cases. It's probably not going to be perfect, but yes I'll help manually if needed. Making those adjustments takes seconds from our end and we'll do it if we're contacted in the right time and it isn't constant from the same owner.
Keep the scenarios coming KJ because you see me changing the rule and I see us programming the rule as intended. As for a pitcher on the DL that I forgot to bench, what is the cutoff for when he went on the DL? Sunday, Saturday, Friday, Thursday ??? How are you going to determine intent versus forgetfullness?
Are you going to rewrite the DL rules so everyone is on equal ground for all scenarios?
Sorry Greg, this rule change is a mess.
[ April 22, 2009, 10:03 AM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
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Think ill have to agree with Kj on this one, all these loopholes have been disscussed over and over for the past 2 years and now to subjectively change the way the rule has been used seems wrong. The rule was never neeed in the first place and needs to be done away with. The ones that lobbied for it was a couple of the New York contingent and their 30 or so board personalities that have done nothing but try and manipulate these contests to their likeing and not for the good of the contest as a whole. Most people that play want this to be a once a week lineup change format that is fair to everyone. This rule does not accomplish this and should be dumped.
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
Good, e-mail me when this happens and I'll adjust your lineup for you. No different than when someone replaces a DL person on Wednesday and then on Friday morning tries to replace him with a different reserve player (but can't because he already reserved the DL'd player). We manually help owners with their lineups all the time. Everything you explained above is within the rules.
I'm trying to work with STATS to figure out how to best make the pitchers' situation work for all cases. It's probably not going to be perfect, but yes I'll help manually if needed. Making those adjustments takes seconds from our end and we'll do it if we're contacted in the right time and it isn't constant from the same owner.
Keep the scenarios coming KJ because you see me changing the rule and I see us programming the rule as intended. As for a pitcher on the DL that I forgot to bench, what is the cutoff for when he went on the DL? Sunday, Saturday, Friday, Thursday ??? How are you going to determine intent versus forgetfullness?
Are you going to rewrite the DL rules so everyone is on equal ground for all scenarios?
Sorry Greg, this rule change is a mess. [/QUOTE]You keep calling it a rule change KJ. It's not. For you it's a change, but not for most.
Yeah, STATS is in the process of working on this and because we have two scoring periods it's taking a little time to get this right. I'll gladly e-mail all members to tell them EXACTLY how this will play out. Most will understand and realize this is exactly the intent of the rule.
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
Good, e-mail me when this happens and I'll adjust your lineup for you. No different than when someone replaces a DL person on Wednesday and then on Friday morning tries to replace him with a different reserve player (but can't because he already reserved the DL'd player). We manually help owners with their lineups all the time. Everything you explained above is within the rules.
I'm trying to work with STATS to figure out how to best make the pitchers' situation work for all cases. It's probably not going to be perfect, but yes I'll help manually if needed. Making those adjustments takes seconds from our end and we'll do it if we're contacted in the right time and it isn't constant from the same owner.
Keep the scenarios coming KJ because you see me changing the rule and I see us programming the rule as intended. As for a pitcher on the DL that I forgot to bench, what is the cutoff for when he went on the DL? Sunday, Saturday, Friday, Thursday ??? How are you going to determine intent versus forgetfullness?
Are you going to rewrite the DL rules so everyone is on equal ground for all scenarios?
Sorry Greg, this rule change is a mess. [/QUOTE]You keep calling it a rule change KJ. It's not. For you it's a change, but not for most.
Yeah, STATS is in the process of working on this and because we have two scoring periods it's taking a little time to get this right. I'll gladly e-mail all members to tell them EXACTLY how this will play out. Most will understand and realize this is exactly the intent of the rule.
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If I am reading right, KJ and Greg may both be right on a very important point.
The subject of pitcher manipulation, as KJ and Patrick have pointed out, has been brought up before.
On the other hand, until my example of Scherzer and Baker, I get the feeling that Greg was not privy to exactly what the manipulation was and to the extent in which it was being used. Greg will speak to that I'm sure.
As Commish, he, of course, has the power to implement a rule after the season begins, even if it is not a popular one.
[ April 22, 2009, 02:44 PM: Message edited by: DOUGHBOYS ]
The subject of pitcher manipulation, as KJ and Patrick have pointed out, has been brought up before.
On the other hand, until my example of Scherzer and Baker, I get the feeling that Greg was not privy to exactly what the manipulation was and to the extent in which it was being used. Greg will speak to that I'm sure.
As Commish, he, of course, has the power to implement a rule after the season begins, even if it is not a popular one.
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Originally posted by crazytown.gov:
It potentially favors some owners. Like KJ stated:
1. He has Lackey on his roster.
2. Lackey is supposed to start on Wed.
3. Lackey has a setback and misses the entire week.
The rules as written prior to the contest allow the Friday change. Now the rules do not allow a Friday change.
Therefore owners that are not in this position and do not lose that 1 start are POTENTIALLY favored. Hey Greg, can we get a clarification on this? When I read your initial post I was under the impression that this would not hinder switching out players on the DL, but that it would only eliminate the option of switching a player no longer on the DL (ie Baker and potentially Lackey, Webb, Santana, etc.) by a loophole in the programming. A player who was scheduled to come off the DL but has a setback before coming off the DL will still be allowed to be switched out on Friday, right? I think a clarification of this aspect may alleviate most of the concerns going forward.
It potentially favors some owners. Like KJ stated:
1. He has Lackey on his roster.
2. Lackey is supposed to start on Wed.
3. Lackey has a setback and misses the entire week.
The rules as written prior to the contest allow the Friday change. Now the rules do not allow a Friday change.
Therefore owners that are not in this position and do not lose that 1 start are POTENTIALLY favored. Hey Greg, can we get a clarification on this? When I read your initial post I was under the impression that this would not hinder switching out players on the DL, but that it would only eliminate the option of switching a player no longer on the DL (ie Baker and potentially Lackey, Webb, Santana, etc.) by a loophole in the programming. A player who was scheduled to come off the DL but has a setback before coming off the DL will still be allowed to be switched out on Friday, right? I think a clarification of this aspect may alleviate most of the concerns going forward.
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1. I log on to the NFBC site.
2. I READ the RULES.
3. I love it and decide to shell out 1300 or more
4. I draft Smoltz, Lackey,E. Santana, and Hudson as my bench pitchers on my teams.
5. I figure I might be able to get a few extra starts, saves, K's etc... by using the RULES as written.
6. I draft and love my teams.
7. April 22 the rules change.
8. It just doesn't seem right to change mid season to me.
Thanks and have a nice day.
2. I READ the RULES.
3. I love it and decide to shell out 1300 or more
4. I draft Smoltz, Lackey,E. Santana, and Hudson as my bench pitchers on my teams.
5. I figure I might be able to get a few extra starts, saves, K's etc... by using the RULES as written.
6. I draft and love my teams.
7. April 22 the rules change.
8. It just doesn't seem right to change mid season to me.
Thanks and have a nice day.
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Hypothetical phone conversation as per this topic.
Wednesday, May 20, 2009
Greg: Hello, Greg here.
KJ: Hey Greg it's KJ
Greg: What is up, my southwestern friend.
KJ: Well Greg, I heard Lackey was coming off the DL this week and it doesn't look like that is going to happen. Can you switch him out in the 5 leagues that I have him in my starting lineup. I want to start another guy.
Greg: Sure KJ
KJ: Thanks
Is that what Greg stated could happen in an earlier post?
Wednesday, May 20, 2009
Greg: Hello, Greg here.
KJ: Hey Greg it's KJ
Greg: What is up, my southwestern friend.
KJ: Well Greg, I heard Lackey was coming off the DL this week and it doesn't look like that is going to happen. Can you switch him out in the 5 leagues that I have him in my starting lineup. I want to start another guy.
Greg: Sure KJ
KJ: Thanks
Is that what Greg stated could happen in an earlier post?
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Greg, you apparently skimmed over this post. Can you tell me what happens here?
#1 Pitcher goes on the DL Sunday night or Monday morning, I miss it, and would now be prohibited from replacing said pitcher for Friday night.
#2 Pitcher is on the DL to start the week (and in my lineup), but the expectation is that he'll come off the DL during the week and pitch. He has a setback on Tuesday and thus no longer is expected to pitch this week - and now I cannot replace him for the weekend.
These are two non-loophole situations in which I no longer can "legitimately" use the DL rule even though the NFBC official rules to begin the season explicitly state than I can. Once again, I have a major problem with that. Good, e-mail me when this happens and I'll adjust your lineup for you. No different than when someone replaces a DL person on Wednesday and then on Friday morning tries to replace him with a different reserve player (but can't because he already reserved the DL'd player). We manually help owners with their lineups all the time. Everything you explained above is within the rules.
I'm trying to work with STATS to figure out how to best make the pitchers' situation work for all cases. It's probably not going to be perfect, but yes I'll help manually if needed. Making those adjustments takes seconds from our end and we'll do it if we're contacted in the right time and it isn't constant from the same owner.
Keep the scenarios coming KJ because you see me changing the rule and I see us programming the rule as intended. [/QUOTE]Brilliant move.
Put a players integrity on the line to see if they are willing to lie and have their image here tainted in order to cheat the intended rules.
Go ahead and e-mail with that lie if you wish. You will be exposed a fraud.
...and for all you saying "I drafted Smoltz and Lackey, etc so I could manipulate the loophole in the rules"...shame on you. Draft them because they are worth waiting for. If you actually think that the DL rule intended for that to take place...you are delusional.
Unreal.
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quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Greg, you apparently skimmed over this post. Can you tell me what happens here?
#1 Pitcher goes on the DL Sunday night or Monday morning, I miss it, and would now be prohibited from replacing said pitcher for Friday night.
#2 Pitcher is on the DL to start the week (and in my lineup), but the expectation is that he'll come off the DL during the week and pitch. He has a setback on Tuesday and thus no longer is expected to pitch this week - and now I cannot replace him for the weekend.
These are two non-loophole situations in which I no longer can "legitimately" use the DL rule even though the NFBC official rules to begin the season explicitly state than I can. Once again, I have a major problem with that. Good, e-mail me when this happens and I'll adjust your lineup for you. No different than when someone replaces a DL person on Wednesday and then on Friday morning tries to replace him with a different reserve player (but can't because he already reserved the DL'd player). We manually help owners with their lineups all the time. Everything you explained above is within the rules.
I'm trying to work with STATS to figure out how to best make the pitchers' situation work for all cases. It's probably not going to be perfect, but yes I'll help manually if needed. Making those adjustments takes seconds from our end and we'll do it if we're contacted in the right time and it isn't constant from the same owner.
Keep the scenarios coming KJ because you see me changing the rule and I see us programming the rule as intended. [/QUOTE]Brilliant move.
Put a players integrity on the line to see if they are willing to lie and have their image here tainted in order to cheat the intended rules.
Go ahead and e-mail with that lie if you wish. You will be exposed a fraud.
...and for all you saying "I drafted Smoltz and Lackey, etc so I could manipulate the loophole in the rules"...shame on you. Draft them because they are worth waiting for. If you actually think that the DL rule intended for that to take place...you are delusional.
Unreal.
~Lance
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Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
Brilliant move.
Put a players integrity on the line to see if they are willing to lie and have their image here tainted in order to cheat the intended rules.
Go ahead and e-mail with that lie if you wish. You will be exposed a fraud.
...and for all you saying "I drafted Smoltz and Lackey, etc so I could manipulate the loophole in the rules"...shame on you. Draft them because they are worth waiting for. If you actually think that the DL rule intended for that to take place...you are delusional.
Unreal.
~Lance Lance, why is this brilliant? 90% of the NFBC compete in anonymity. I don't want anyone getting a free pass for changing their minds after their lineups have been set. I want a consistent rule explicitly stated, as we had before.
Brilliant move.
Put a players integrity on the line to see if they are willing to lie and have their image here tainted in order to cheat the intended rules.
Go ahead and e-mail with that lie if you wish. You will be exposed a fraud.
...and for all you saying "I drafted Smoltz and Lackey, etc so I could manipulate the loophole in the rules"...shame on you. Draft them because they are worth waiting for. If you actually think that the DL rule intended for that to take place...you are delusional.
Unreal.
~Lance Lance, why is this brilliant? 90% of the NFBC compete in anonymity. I don't want anyone getting a free pass for changing their minds after their lineups have been set. I want a consistent rule explicitly stated, as we had before.
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Greg, do you really think its a good idea to change a rule that has been in place for the last two years ... 3 weeks AFTER the season has started?
Those who don't like it call it a loophole, but in reality it is what it is and has been for two years, a strategic tool. I most certainly do and we're working on it right now. It will be implemented this week whether I have to do it by hand or automatically. Case closed. [/QUOTE]sorry i'm late to this thread. i take some time off the boards and then i see a rule is being changed. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
LET ME BE CLEAR - THERE IS NO WAY THIS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN. NONE AT ALL. I DRAFTED JOHN SMOLTZ ON DRAFT DAY KNOWING THE RULES THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR YEARS (AND ON DRAFT DAY). I COULD START HIM ON MONDAY AND THEN REMOVE HIM BY FRIDAY. THIS IS PART OF THE REASON I DRAFTED SMOTLZ IN SO MANY LEAGUES.
Allowing a rule change NOW after draft day is over and 3 weeks into the season is 100% BS. I woulda never placed such a high value on smoltz if i knew 3 weeks into the season, the rules regaring DL players were going to be changed.
100% BS and I urge Greg to not move forward with this until 2010. You are 100% punshing teams that drafted DL pitchers. TO DO SO, WOULD THREATHEN THE INTEGRITY OF MY DRAFT (AND OTHERS) USING THE RULES THAT WERE IN PLACE ON DRAFT DAY.
BAD, BAD ROAD TO GO DOWN.
[ April 22, 2009, 10:48 AM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko II ]
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Greg, do you really think its a good idea to change a rule that has been in place for the last two years ... 3 weeks AFTER the season has started?
Those who don't like it call it a loophole, but in reality it is what it is and has been for two years, a strategic tool. I most certainly do and we're working on it right now. It will be implemented this week whether I have to do it by hand or automatically. Case closed. [/QUOTE]sorry i'm late to this thread. i take some time off the boards and then i see a rule is being changed. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
LET ME BE CLEAR - THERE IS NO WAY THIS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN. NONE AT ALL. I DRAFTED JOHN SMOLTZ ON DRAFT DAY KNOWING THE RULES THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR YEARS (AND ON DRAFT DAY). I COULD START HIM ON MONDAY AND THEN REMOVE HIM BY FRIDAY. THIS IS PART OF THE REASON I DRAFTED SMOTLZ IN SO MANY LEAGUES.
Allowing a rule change NOW after draft day is over and 3 weeks into the season is 100% BS. I woulda never placed such a high value on smoltz if i knew 3 weeks into the season, the rules regaring DL players were going to be changed.
100% BS and I urge Greg to not move forward with this until 2010. You are 100% punshing teams that drafted DL pitchers. TO DO SO, WOULD THREATHEN THE INTEGRITY OF MY DRAFT (AND OTHERS) USING THE RULES THAT WERE IN PLACE ON DRAFT DAY.
BAD, BAD ROAD TO GO DOWN.
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Being able to swap out a DL'd or newly deemed useless player as a good thing in a high stakes game like this. It's out there, it rewards bench management and is not time consuming. To do away with it would be taking a step back.
Dan's idea to have a one time friday move for position players is to me is a natural progression of this rule. It would affect not only the DL'd players but the day to days, the AAA send downs, and most importantly the last couple weeks of the season.
Let's increase the strategic element and ratchet down the luck factor.
Dan's idea to have a one time friday move for position players is to me is a natural progression of this rule. It would affect not only the DL'd players but the day to days, the AAA send downs, and most importantly the last couple weeks of the season.
Let's increase the strategic element and ratchet down the luck factor.
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13. Submitting Starting Lineups: The weekly NFBC deadline for setting starting lineups is 6:55 p.m. ET each Monday. Any game that occurs before that, NFBC owners are required to get those players involved in their starting lineups five minutes before the start of those games. Owners are also allowed to remove a player (or players) who is officially on the DL from their starting lineup with one of their players from their reserve roster before each Friday's first game as long as the position eligibility works out. Players must officially be on Major League Baseball's DL list according to STATS and the NFBC by 12:01 a.m. on Friday for this move (or moves) to take effect for the weekend games.
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Sorry Greg, I know you are a very busy man, but proof this issue has been known and discussed since 2007 ...
Originally posted by SluggoJD:
posted September 20, 2007 05:51 PM
A change we must make...
The whole purpose of the Friday DL rule was to allow a person who suffers an unexpected injury between Monday and Friday early, to make a change so they did not suffer all week.
However, many teams have abused this rule IMO, by intentionally playing a person already on the DL, and then swapping him out for Friday with another player.
My proposal is simple, and applies to pitchers:
Teams MUST try to field a complete and viable team each week with their 30-man teams. Teams are not allowed to intentionally start a pitcher who is on the DL, and not expected to come off the DL that week based on injury news updates, and then turn around and remove that pitcher for another pitcher from their bench who could have played that week.
Greg, I'm sure you could word this better, and I'm sure you understand what I mean. John Originally posted by KJ Duke:
posted September 20, 2007 06:11 PM
there is strategy involved with every rule, honestly I don't know why a few of you are against more strategy choices ... makes for a better contest Originally posted by King of Queens:
posted September 20, 2007 06:33 PM
The easy solution:
Have STATS lock any roster spot for the entire week (Monday to Sunday) if the player is on the DL as of the Monday deadline. Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
posted September 20, 2007 08:23 PM
That is the solution. I did talk with STATS about this during the season when you talked to me about this and I know it wasn't something we could change now. I can ask again to see if that's possible for 2008. Right now, the DL designation comes off once an MLB team activates him and I trust it's a programming thing with STATS. I'll ask. Nothing was changed to begin 2008, another season went by, and nothing was changed to begin 2009. At this point, it is a known and employed strategy, and should not be changed mid-stream. Fix it for 2010.
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Originally posted by SluggoJD:
posted September 20, 2007 05:51 PM
A change we must make...
The whole purpose of the Friday DL rule was to allow a person who suffers an unexpected injury between Monday and Friday early, to make a change so they did not suffer all week.
However, many teams have abused this rule IMO, by intentionally playing a person already on the DL, and then swapping him out for Friday with another player.
My proposal is simple, and applies to pitchers:
Teams MUST try to field a complete and viable team each week with their 30-man teams. Teams are not allowed to intentionally start a pitcher who is on the DL, and not expected to come off the DL that week based on injury news updates, and then turn around and remove that pitcher for another pitcher from their bench who could have played that week.
Greg, I'm sure you could word this better, and I'm sure you understand what I mean. John Originally posted by KJ Duke:
posted September 20, 2007 06:11 PM
there is strategy involved with every rule, honestly I don't know why a few of you are against more strategy choices ... makes for a better contest Originally posted by King of Queens:
posted September 20, 2007 06:33 PM
The easy solution:
Have STATS lock any roster spot for the entire week (Monday to Sunday) if the player is on the DL as of the Monday deadline. Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
posted September 20, 2007 08:23 PM
That is the solution. I did talk with STATS about this during the season when you talked to me about this and I know it wasn't something we could change now. I can ask again to see if that's possible for 2008. Right now, the DL designation comes off once an MLB team activates him and I trust it's a programming thing with STATS. I'll ask. Nothing was changed to begin 2008, another season went by, and nothing was changed to begin 2009. At this point, it is a known and employed strategy, and should not be changed mid-stream. Fix it for 2010.
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
I don't like it. Rules should be changed before the season begins, not after.
These issues were known and raised here every season since the rule went into effect. This should've been changed before the season if a change was planned. i'm reading through the thread now. you are 100% correct KJ. if greg moves forward with changing a rule after the season started, please see that i get a refund on my teams where i have DRAFTED john smoltz.
this is like drafting a player at a position and then greg deciding during the season that the player just lost his position elgibility. TOTAL HORSECRAP.
as with any new rule change, PUT IT IN THE RULES FOR NEXT YEAR. TALK ABOUT UNFAIRLY PUNISHING SOME TEAMS. SEEESH!
I don't like it. Rules should be changed before the season begins, not after.
These issues were known and raised here every season since the rule went into effect. This should've been changed before the season if a change was planned. i'm reading through the thread now. you are 100% correct KJ. if greg moves forward with changing a rule after the season started, please see that i get a refund on my teams where i have DRAFTED john smoltz.
this is like drafting a player at a position and then greg deciding during the season that the player just lost his position elgibility. TOTAL HORSECRAP.
as with any new rule change, PUT IT IN THE RULES FOR NEXT YEAR. TALK ABOUT UNFAIRLY PUNISHING SOME TEAMS. SEEESH!
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Nothing was changed to begin 2008, another season went by, and nothing was changed to begin 2009. At this point, it is a known and emplyed strategy, and should not be changed mid-stream. Fix it for 2010. [/b]Nice find kevin. this "strategy" was in play for years and you just backed it up that Greg knew about it, allowed it, and didn't change the rules.
ps - u should emailed me about this BS, i woulda been here sooner.
Nothing was changed to begin 2008, another season went by, and nothing was changed to begin 2009. At this point, it is a known and emplyed strategy, and should not be changed mid-stream. Fix it for 2010. [/b]Nice find kevin. this "strategy" was in play for years and you just backed it up that Greg knew about it, allowed it, and didn't change the rules.
ps - u should emailed me about this BS, i woulda been here sooner.
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
I don't like it. Rules should be changed before the season begins, not after.
These issues were known and raised here every season since the rule went into effect. This should've been changed before the season if a change was planned. i'm reading through the thread now. you are 100% correct KJ. if greg moves forward with changing a rule after the season started, please see that i get a refund on my teams where i have DRAFTED john smoltz.
this is like drafting a player at a position and then greg deciding during the season that the player just lost his position elgibility. TOTAL HORSECRAP.
as with any new rule change, PUT IT IN THE RULES FOR NEXT YEAR. TALK ABOUT UNFAIRLY PUNISHING SOME TEAMS. SEEESH! [/QUOTE]refunding your teams is the only way you see money this year with or without smoltz
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
I don't like it. Rules should be changed before the season begins, not after.
These issues were known and raised here every season since the rule went into effect. This should've been changed before the season if a change was planned. i'm reading through the thread now. you are 100% correct KJ. if greg moves forward with changing a rule after the season started, please see that i get a refund on my teams where i have DRAFTED john smoltz.
this is like drafting a player at a position and then greg deciding during the season that the player just lost his position elgibility. TOTAL HORSECRAP.
as with any new rule change, PUT IT IN THE RULES FOR NEXT YEAR. TALK ABOUT UNFAIRLY PUNISHING SOME TEAMS. SEEESH!
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Originally posted by Scott Boras:
refunding your teams is the only way you see money this year with or without smoltz stalker is back. don't you know how to "focus your attention" on someone or something else?
refunding your teams is the only way you see money this year with or without smoltz stalker is back. don't you know how to "focus your attention" on someone or something else?
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Fine-tuning The Friday DL Rule
Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
Drama Queens. lance - get a clue.
Drama Queens. lance - get a clue.
Fine-tuning The Friday DL Rule
I believe the rule change to read as "pitchers that come off the DL mid week cannot be subbed in for another pitcher for periods Fri/Sat/Sun"
So therefore this would not affect your strategy with Smoltz being able to start him and sub him out mid week to miss a bad first double start or whatever your strategy is.
If i am wrong then i too am upset because i have been holding on my bench a DL pitcher as well for just that reason and would be very upset if the rule was changed so that if i started this DL pitcher i could not sub him out for another pitcher for the fri/sat/sun games.
So therefore this would not affect your strategy with Smoltz being able to start him and sub him out mid week to miss a bad first double start or whatever your strategy is.
If i am wrong then i too am upset because i have been holding on my bench a DL pitcher as well for just that reason and would be very upset if the rule was changed so that if i started this DL pitcher i could not sub him out for another pitcher for the fri/sat/sun games.
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Originally posted by Dirt Dogs:
I believe the rule change to read as "pitchers that come off the DL mid week cannot be subbed in for another pitcher for periods Fri/Sat/Sun"
So therefore this would not affect your strategy with Smoltz being able to start him and sub him out mid week to miss a bad first double start or whatever your strategy is.
If i am wrong then i too am upset because i have been holding on my bench a DL pitcher as well for just that reason and would be very upset if the rule was changed so that if i started this DL pitcher i could not sub him out for another pitcher for the fri/sat/sun games. Thank you! This is exactly my interpretation as well. I asked Greg for clarification but he might miss it amidst all the crying. This doesn't appear to be a rule change but a modification that will affect less than .0001% of player moves this year.
I believe the rule change to read as "pitchers that come off the DL mid week cannot be subbed in for another pitcher for periods Fri/Sat/Sun"
So therefore this would not affect your strategy with Smoltz being able to start him and sub him out mid week to miss a bad first double start or whatever your strategy is.
If i am wrong then i too am upset because i have been holding on my bench a DL pitcher as well for just that reason and would be very upset if the rule was changed so that if i started this DL pitcher i could not sub him out for another pitcher for the fri/sat/sun games. Thank you! This is exactly my interpretation as well. I asked Greg for clarification but he might miss it amidst all the crying. This doesn't appear to be a rule change but a modification that will affect less than .0001% of player moves this year.
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Gordon Gekko II
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Fine-tuning The Friday DL Rule
Originally posted by Dirt Dogs:
I believe the rule change to read as "pitchers that come off the DL mid week cannot be subbed in for another pitcher for periods Fri/Sat/Sun"
thanks mike. my time has been very limited the past few weeks, so i'm trying to read very quickly. the smotlz strategy should stay for all of 2009. i apologize if i jumped the gun on that one.
I believe the rule change to read as "pitchers that come off the DL mid week cannot be subbed in for another pitcher for periods Fri/Sat/Sun"
thanks mike. my time has been very limited the past few weeks, so i'm trying to read very quickly. the smotlz strategy should stay for all of 2009. i apologize if i jumped the gun on that one.
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Fine-tuning The Friday DL Rule
Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
Drama Queens. lance - get a clue. [/QUOTE]Nothing you or KJ have been posting of late in new information...just a bunch of repeating.
If you don't think Greg knows all of this at this time...you are mistaken.
Your refund argument is a joke. Classic, but a joke.
I can see you and KJ being loud enough to change Greg's mind...but if this problem was intended to be corrected in the off-season...and there was an oversight...correcting it sooner is better than later.
We are NOT mid-season...we are 3 weeks into a 26 week season.
IMO, this has been way overblown, and the effects of employing this strategy are minimal.
I'd rather it be abused this year, and corrected next year in writing in the rules...that have this problem be leveraged into twice weekly roster moves in an effort to go even closer to daily moves in future seasons.
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quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
Drama Queens. lance - get a clue. [/QUOTE]Nothing you or KJ have been posting of late in new information...just a bunch of repeating.
If you don't think Greg knows all of this at this time...you are mistaken.
Your refund argument is a joke. Classic, but a joke.
I can see you and KJ being loud enough to change Greg's mind...but if this problem was intended to be corrected in the off-season...and there was an oversight...correcting it sooner is better than later.
We are NOT mid-season...we are 3 weeks into a 26 week season.
IMO, this has been way overblown, and the effects of employing this strategy are minimal.
I'd rather it be abused this year, and corrected next year in writing in the rules...that have this problem be leveraged into twice weekly roster moves in an effort to go even closer to daily moves in future seasons.
~Lance
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