All Time Draft Thread

Likewhat17 · Post by **Likewhat17** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:16 am

Originally posted by The Fool on the Hill:

The 4-category pitching pool is long dry. The 3-category pool is evaporating like a puddle in the Arizona summer sun. Gonna be several guys punting k's, or ERA, or Whip (like whoever has that "Blind" Feller).... and most certainly wins. So while the road may be clear, it's how well you drive that road that counts.

For being new around these NFBC parts, this FOOL is really on the ball..

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:26 am

Mike Piazza might hate this next pick, but I need a third baseman. I’m going with the 1996 NL MVP, Ken Caminiti.

1996 Ken Caminiti-3B

HR-40

R-109

RBI-130

SB-11

BA-.326

Texas Connection · Post by **Texas Connection** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:00 am

with the 100th pick, 10th pick of 6th round............

1962 frank robinson, .342, 39 hrs, 136 rbis, 134 runs, 18 steals

JohnP · Post by **JohnP** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:18 am

I will take the 1930 version of OF Kiki Cuyler:

155 / 13 / 134 / 37 / .355

vpokrnut · Post by **vpokrnut** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:20 am

excellent pick John P. Everyone drafting pitchers missed on this pick. He should have gone in round 3 or 4. My pick coming soon

Likewhat17 · Post by **Likewhat17** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:22 am

Originally posted by JohnP:

I will take the 1930 version of OF Kiki Cuyler:

155 / 13 / 134 / 37 / .355 That's a great pick. Seems like we've been considering him forever, surprised that he lasted this long.

JohnP · Post by **JohnP** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:24 am

Originally posted by vpokrnut:

excellent pick John P. Everyone drafting pitchers missed on this pick. He should have gone in round 3 or 4. My pick coming soon I have the lead in the best 4 letter name team with Kiki and Rube. Hopefully that doesn't equal SUCK.

vpokrnut · Post by **vpokrnut** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:25 am

pick 12 rd7 a great chicago white sox pitcher Frank Smith 1909 25w 1.80era 1sv 365ip 177k .9534whip

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:32 am

Through 7.12

Likewhat17 · Post by **Likewhat17** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:50 am

Originally posted by JohnP:

I have the lead in the best 4 letter name team with Kiki and Rube.

Babe, Babe, Hank, Yogi and Jack might have something to say about that claim!

Suburban Strugglers · Post by **Suburban Strugglers** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:53 am

The Kiki Cuyler pick was a great pick, also had to think hard about taking him. When you look at those stats he could easily have been a justified 4th or 5th round pick.

JohnP · Post by **JohnP** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:09 pm

Originally posted by Likewhat17:

Originally posted by JohnP:

I have the lead in the best 4 letter name team with Kiki and Rube.

Babe, Babe, Hank, Yogi and Jack might have something to say about that claim! Kiki's real name was Hazen Shirley Cuyler. He got the nick name "Kiki" because of his ability to roam the outfield. His teammates would yell "Cuy Cuy" whenever a ball went his direction.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:17 pm

Originally posted by Suburban Strugglers:

The Kiki Cuyler pick was a great pick, also had to think hard about taking him. When you look at those stats he could easily have been a justified 4th or 5th round pick. i was too concerned I would accidentally type "Calero"

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:23 pm

does anyone have any thoughts on the draft as a whole so far? this is the first one of this nature for me. here's some random thoughts...

*the top 4 SP (and ruth) are so utterly dominating that i expect the first half of the draft to significantly outperform the last half of the draft.

*as such, i'd probably be in favor of 3RR for drafts of this nature (stats are already known)

*i was having a lot of fun with this draft until i found out i was missing some data from my downloads. now i'm trying to "mesh" the new data with all of my old data. i use an access database so the stats i downloaded from mlb.com aren't in the same format as baseball reference so it's causing some discomfort...i think i'm going on tilt!!!

*would anyone be interested in replaying the 2011 season? same stakes @ $140.

*kudos to Shawn for getting this league started, kudos to zola for keeping all the stats and kudos to dan for helping out

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:36 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

does anyone have any thoughts on the draft as a whole so far? this is the first one of this nature for me. here's some random thoughts...

*the top 4 SP (and ruth) are so utterly dominating that i expect the first half of the draft to significantly outperform the last half of the draft.

*as such, i'd probably be in favor of 3RR for drafts of this nature (stats are already known)

*i was having a lot of fun with this draft until i found out i was missing some data from my downloads. now i'm trying to "mesh" the new data with all of my old data. i use an access database so the stats i downloaded from mlb.com aren't in the same format as baseball reference so it's causing some discomfort...i think i'm going on tilt!!!

*would anyone be interested in replaying the 2011 season? same stakes @ $140.

*kudos to Shawn for getting this league started, kudos to zola for keeping all the stats and kudos to dan for helping out I thought it would be interesting to run this league back two more times. We have to use a number of say 5 to move draft slots. If you had pick one, you would have pick 6 and 11 in the next two drafts.

With each draft players would gain more information, but they would also change game plans from different areas in the draft.

I was thinking same teams after next season, but it could be done at any time. I just think when real baseball comes along we won't have the time,

G@mblor · Post by **G@mblor** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:42 pm

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

does anyone have any thoughts on the draft as a whole so far? this is the first one of this nature for me. here's some random thoughts...

*the top 4 SP (and ruth) are so utterly dominating that i expect the first half of the draft to significantly outperform the last half of the draft.

*as such, i'd probably be in favor of 3RR for drafts of this nature (stats are already known)

*i was having a lot of fun with this draft until i found out i was missing some data from my downloads. now i'm trying to "mesh" the new data with all of my old data. i use an access database so the stats i downloaded from mlb.com aren't in the same format as baseball reference so it's causing some discomfort...i think i'm going on tilt!!!

*would anyone be interested in replaying the 2011 season? same stakes @ $140.

*kudos to Shawn for getting this league started, kudos to zola for keeping all the stats and kudos to dan for helping out I thought it would be interesting to run this league back two more times. We have to use a number of say 5 to move draft slots. If you had pick one, you would have pick 6 and 11 in the next two drafts.

With each draft players would gain more information, but they would also change game plans from different areas in the draft.

I was thinking same teams after next season, but it could be done at any time. I just think when real baseball comes along we won't have the time, [/QUOTE]Prize money for total points over the three drafts? Although that may skew things a bit as the team in front after 2 drafts may have a much different strategy due to protecting his lead. Would be interesting though.

[ October 29, 2011, 07:44 PM: Message edited by: G@mblor ]

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:44 pm

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

I thought it would be interesting to run this league back two more times. We have to use a number of say 5 to move draft slots. If you had pick one, you would have pick 6 and 11 in the next two drafts.

With each draft players would gain more information, but they would also change game plans from different areas in the draft.

I was thinking same teams after next season, but it could be done at any time. I just think when real baseball comes along we won't have the time, ya, i'd be in, even if we had one right after this ended (probably be in the next 3 weeks.

i have a feeling it would be tough to keep all the same owners. there might be 4-5 that can't do it for various reasons. i'm not sure a new person would be willing to give it a go if they knew they had pick 15 (or a greater chance at pick 15). any thoughts to 3RR?

G@mblor · Post by **G@mblor** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:48 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

I thought it would be interesting to run this league back two more times. We have to use a number of say 5 to move draft slots. If you had pick one, you would have pick 6 and 11 in the next two drafts.

With each draft players would gain more information, but they would also change game plans from different areas in the draft.

I was thinking same teams after next season, but it could be done at any time. I just think when real baseball comes along we won't have the time, ya, i'd be in, even if we had one right after this ended (probably be in the next 3 weeks.

i have a feeling it would be tough to keep all the same owners. there might be 4-5 that can't do it for various reasons. i'm not sure a new person would be willing to give it a go if they knew they had pick 15 (or a greater chance at pick 15). any thoughts to 3RR? [/QUOTE]I think we should wait to see how this draft shakes out. Once Dave and I finish 12th from the 1-hole you may change your mind about the built in edge.

mbendar16 · Post by **mbendar16** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:52 pm

Guys,

My power is out, and I'm at my brother's house catching up on all the picks. I'll try to get our pick in as soon as I can.

Mark B

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:54 pm

Originally posted by G@mblor:

I think we should wait to see how this draft shakes out. Once Dave and I finish 12th from the 1-hole you may change your mind about the built in edge. i think as a result of this draft, it will be clear that having one of the big top 4 SP puts u in the best position to win. ruth would go 4th or later. will see if i'm proven wrong come the end. {obviously those owners could F up the rest of their draft}

my money right now is on childs (walsh advantage along with being a very smart owner)

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:56 pm

Originally posted by mbendar16:

Guys,

My power is out, and I'm at my brother's house catching up on all the picks. I'll try to get our pick in as soon as I can.

Mark B mark - where do u live? i'm in PA and we got hit with 7" of snow with power going in and out. on top of trying to get my missing data, i've been trying to finish my basement and snowblowing

G@mblor · Post by **G@mblor** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:02 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by G@mblor:

I think we should wait to see how this draft shakes out. Once Dave and I finish 12th from the 1-hole you may change your mind about the built in edge. i think as a result of this draft, it will be clear that having one of the big top 4 SP puts u in the best position to win. ruth would go 4th or later. will see if i'm proven wrong come the end. {obviously those owners could F up the rest of their draft}

my money right now is on childs (walsh advantage along with being a very smart owner) [/QUOTE]Since this is the first draft we have done I'm not sure what the optimal strategy is (or if there is one). Perhaps when everyone has a better idea of what the best way to go is the advantage will go to the top 4 picks. I'm not convinced of that yet though. Of course a smart drafter should always do well, regardless of draft slot.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:11 pm

Originally posted by G@mblor:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by G@mblor:

I think we should wait to see how this draft shakes out. Once Dave and I finish 12th from the 1-hole you may change your mind about the built in edge. i think as a result of this draft, it will be clear that having one of the big top 4 SP puts u in the best position to win. ruth would go 4th or later. will see if i'm proven wrong come the end. {obviously those owners could F up the rest of their draft}

my money right now is on childs (walsh advantage along with being a very smart owner) [/QUOTE]Since this is the first draft we have done I'm not sure what the optimal strategy is (or if there is one). Perhaps when everyone has a better idea of what the best way to go is the advantage will go to the top 4 picks. I'm not convinced of that yet though. Of course a smart drafter should always do well, regardless of draft slot. [/QUOTE]i think those top sp are so far over the top, that i had little choice but to try ramp up the hitters and try and get by with pitching (sounds like u are doing the same thing).

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:13 pm

The snow's just starting to hit here in NY and I'm hoping we can get a nice run going. Nothing like a draft to help keep you warm on a cold, snowy night.

In regards to the edge given to the top of the 1st round, I pretty much made the same observation in my conversation yesterday with Shawn. Though I did have a slight difference in where the advantage lies.

I believe the edge when it comes to the pitchers is limited to the top 3, not 4. Whomever you feel is the 4th best pitcher Mark is definately a tier below in my opinion as the top 3 give you top of the line ridiculous stats across the board, while any pitcher after that slips a little in a category or two to merely great.

However, I would add Hornsby to the players who provide an immediate and significant edge. He is so far and away the best player at any "scarce" position that he gives you an edge as significant in value as Ruth or the big 3 pitchers.

Unfortunately for me picking in the 6th spot, I believe the top 5 drafters got it right, though I might have changed the order.

G@mblor · Post by **G@mblor** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:15 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by G@mblor:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by G@mblor:

I think we should wait to see how this draft shakes out. Once Dave and I finish 12th from the 1-hole you may change your mind about the built in edge. i think as a result of this draft, it will be clear that having one of the big top 4 SP puts u in the best position to win. ruth would go 4th or later. will see if i'm proven wrong come the end. {obviously those owners could F up the rest of their draft}

my money right now is on childs (walsh advantage along with being a very smart owner) [/QUOTE]Since this is the first draft we have done I'm not sure what the optimal strategy is (or if there is one). Perhaps when everyone has a better idea of what the best way to go is the advantage will go to the top 4 picks. I'm not convinced of that yet though. Of course a smart drafter should always do well, regardless of draft slot. [/QUOTE]i think those top sp are so far over the top, that i had little choice but to try ramp up the hitters and try and get by with pitching (sounds like u are doing the same thing). [/QUOTE]Our passing on pitching for Ruth had more to do with our overall draft philosophy than anything else. I will say we have done nothing so far that we had not planned on doing . Be interesting to see how the standings end up and if there is an apparent edge for those top 4 teams.