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Would love some feedback... one thing i noticed was quite a few unsigned players without teams were taken. Also after doing a few 50 round 15 teamers, these 12 team drafts felt totally different... As with the 50 rounders, plenty of SP late....

Posey, Buster C SF
Wieters, Matt C BAL
Cabrera, Miguel 1B DET
Ackley, Dustin 2B SEA
Moustakas, Mike 3B KC
Reyes, Jose SS MIA
Bruce, Jay OF CIN
Hunter, Torii OF LAA
McCutchen, Andrew OF PIT
Morrison, Logan OF MIA
Prado, Martin 3B,OF ATL
Aybar, Erick SS LAA
Goldschmidt, Paul 1B ARI
Montero, Jesus UTL SEA
Alvarez, Henderson P TOR
Axford, John P MIL
Holland, Derek P TEX
Jackson, Edwin P WAS
Leake, Mike P CIN
Masterson, Justin P CLE
Nova, Ivan P NYY
Rivera, Mariano P NYY
Storen, Drew P WAS

BENCH
Alvarez, Pedro 3B PIT
Jay, Jon OF STL
Lucroy, Jonathan C MIL
Porcello, Rick P DET
Scutaro, Marco SS COL
Tomlin, Josh P CLE
Young, Delmon OF DET

Outlaw wrote:Would love some feedback... one thing i noticed was quite a few unsigned players without teams were taken. Also after doing a few 50 round 15 teamers, these 12 team drafts felt totally different... As with the 50 rounders, plenty of SP late....

Posey, Buster C SF
Wieters, Matt C BAL
Cabrera, Miguel 1B DET
Ackley, Dustin 2B SEA
Moustakas, Mike 3B KC
Reyes, Jose SS MIA
Bruce, Jay OF CIN
Hunter, Torii OF LAA
McCutchen, Andrew OF PIT
Morrison, Logan OF MIA
Prado, Martin 3B,OF ATL
Aybar, Erick SS LAA
Goldschmidt, Paul 1B ARI
Montero, Jesus UTL SEA
Alvarez, Henderson P TOR
Axford, John P MIL
Holland, Derek P TEX
Jackson, Edwin P WAS
Leake, Mike P CIN
Masterson, Justin P CLE
Nova, Ivan P NYY
Rivera, Mariano P NYY
Storen, Drew P WAS

BENCH
Alvarez, Pedro 3B PIT
Jay, Jon OF STL
Lucroy, Jonathan C MIL
Porcello, Rick P DET
Scutaro, Marco SS COL
Tomlin, Josh P CLE
Young, Delmon OF DET

I was in the draft with you and noticed the late SP strategy you had, but I think you may have waited a little too long. I like the rest of your team a lot, though. If you can get anything out of your SP and pick up a few in FAAB, you should do well since your hitting is strong. 3 absolute stud closers. Will post mine in a few.

Overkill with 4 catcher,(once Montero gets 10 games there,his value is to be used as a catcher).Plus going 3 top Relief pitchers, left you way short on Starting pitching. Looks like you will be chasing pitching. IMHO Roy

My team - from the 12 spot - Don't like my 2nd base situation. I waited too long, but some free agent surprises could be out there.

C- Brian McCann
C- Giovanni Soto
1B - Prince Fielder
2B - Jose Altuve
3B - Evan Longoria
SS - Asrubel Cabrera
CI - Carlos Lee
MI - Ian Desmond
OF - BJ Upton
OF - Brett Gardner
OF - Nick Markakis
OF - Nick Swisher
OF - Yoenes Cespedes
DH - Jason Kubel
SP - Tim Lincecum
SP - James Shields
SP - Daniel Hudson
SP - Ricky Romero
SP - Hiroki Kuroda
SP - Ricky Nolasco
RP - JJ Putz
RP - Joel Hanrahan
RP - Kyle Farnsworth

Bench
C - John Buck
OF- Andres Torres
OF - Allen Craig
SP - Ryan Dempster
SP - Roy Oswalt
RP - Addison Reed
RP - Andrew Cashner

I like outside the box drafts. Thanks for posting.

The consensus will be that you are way short on SP, and right now on paper you are. You need to make sure that the back-end of your rotation doesn't kill you right off the bat and put in an ERA and WHIP hole.

In a 12-team league there will be quite a few SP on the free agent wire throughout the year that can help you. Don't become attached to guys like Alvarez and Nova and E. Jackson...be willing to cut bait to pick up a possible difference-make in FAAB.

BK , I like your team, looks well balanced, pitching looks very good with good pitching depth on the bench, but if Oswalt doesn't sign going to need that roster spot to roster another 2nd baseman,but overall looking good. Roy

PGromek wrote:I like outside the box drafts. Thanks for posting.

The consensus will be that you are way short on SP, and right now on paper you are. You need to make sure that the back-end of your rotation doesn't kill you right off the bat and put in an ERA and WHIP hole.

In a 12-team league there will be quite a few SP on the free agent wire throughout the year that can help you. Don't become attached to guys like Alvarez and Nova and E. Jackson...be willing to cut bait to pick up a possible difference-make in FAAB.

I definately learned a few things tonight as far as when to go after certain players. In past years teams, I have continued to get burned by closers and catchers. Usually very strong in pitching (save for saves-lol) and always middle of the pack or low in offense, due a lot to low performing or injured cathers. Decided this year to change a few strategies, as I agree with you I can chase pitching. I'm hoping 3 top closers helps control my whip and ERA. On Teams where I have drafted Posey, the intent is to use him at CI possibly as soon as he gets eligible at 1B. If that doesnt happen, 4 catchers is over kill. I also avoid having to chase saves and catchers hopefully. It was a fun draft and seemed almost all of them knew the player pool. Big difference though, at least for me, in the 12 team vs 15 team strategy.

BK METS wrote:My team - from the 12 spot - Don't like my 2nd base situation. I waited too long, but some free agent surprises could be out there.

C- Brian McCann
C- Giovanni Soto
1B - Prince Fielder
2B - Jose Altuve
3B - Evan Longoria
SS - Asrubel Cabrera
CI - Carlos Lee
MI - Ian Desmond
OF - BJ Upton
OF - Brett Gardner
OF - Nick Markakis
OF - Nick Swisher
OF - Yoenes Cespedes
DH - Jason Kubel
SP - Tim Lincecum
SP - James Shields
SP - Daniel Hudson
SP - Ricky Romero
SP - Hiroki Kuroda
SP - Ricky Nolasco
RP - JJ Putz
RP - Joel Hanrahan
RP - Kyle Farnsworth

Bench
C - John Buck
OF- Andres Torres
OF - Allen Craig
SP - Ryan Dempster
SP - Roy Oswalt
RP - Addison Reed
RP - Andrew Cashner

I like your team too... you could have 4 closers going by mid year too. possibly even 5 if Street gets hurt for the padres. Altuve could be better than most think, but if not, there are some good 2B still available. You might be looking for speed too.

Outlaw wrote:

BK METS wrote:My team - from the 12 spot - Don't like my 2nd base situation. I waited too long, but some free agent surprises could be out there.

C- Brian McCann
C- Giovanni Soto
1B - Prince Fielder
2B - Jose Altuve
3B - Evan Longoria
SS - Asrubel Cabrera
CI - Carlos Lee
MI - Ian Desmond
OF - BJ Upton
OF - Brett Gardner
OF - Nick Markakis
OF - Nick Swisher
OF - Yoenes Cespedes
DH - Jason Kubel
SP - Tim Lincecum
SP - James Shields
SP - Daniel Hudson
SP - Ricky Romero
SP - Hiroki Kuroda
SP - Ricky Nolasco
RP - JJ Putz
RP - Joel Hanrahan
RP - Kyle Farnsworth

Bench
C - John Buck
OF- Andres Torres
OF - Allen Craig
SP - Ryan Dempster
SP - Roy Oswalt
RP - Addison Reed
RP - Andrew Cashner

I like your team too... you could have 4 closers going by mid year too. possibly even 5 if Street gets hurt for the padres. Altuve could be better than most think, but if not, there are some good 2B still available. You might be looking for speed too.

Yeah, about the speed, strange thing is, as I was drafting, I was thinking... wow I am gonna have a lot of speed, with BJ Upton, Gardner, Asrubel, Desmond... But near the end of the draft, I saw that I might be short and picked up Torres for bench speed, and there is always speed in free agency. I think I played a few things differently than planned, but overall, I wanted pitching depth, both in starters and relievers, so I wasn't constantly looking for pitching in FAAB.... while trying to stay as balanced as possible. I hear ya about catchers and closers. In years past, I have always gone into seasons being short on both and using up my FAAB dollars on speculative closers or inferior catchers. I think we both had the same strategy as far as both.... Good luck this season!

mets your team looks good . now the other team . what were you thinking . your sp is so poor i have no words .

should have used the POSEY and WEITERS rds for top sp . imo

i would like to get in 1 more 12 man draft . if you guys want to play one pick a date . already have a $ 350 online team . would like to draft a $150 pay top 3 . 12 man . let me know if you want in post on this thread if you want . mark

Outlaw wrote:Would love some feedback... one thing i noticed was quite a few unsigned players without teams were taken. Also after doing a few 50 round 15 teamers, these 12 team drafts felt totally different... As with the 50 rounders, plenty of SP late....

Posey, Buster C SF
Wieters, Matt C BAL
Cabrera, Miguel 1B DET
Ackley, Dustin 2B SEA
Moustakas, Mike 3B KC
Reyes, Jose SS MIA
Bruce, Jay OF CIN
Hunter, Torii OF LAA
McCutchen, Andrew OF PIT
Morrison, Logan OF MIA
Prado, Martin 3B,OF ATL
Aybar, Erick SS LAA
Goldschmidt, Paul 1B ARI
Montero, Jesus UTL SEA
Alvarez, Henderson P TOR
Axford, John P MIL
Holland, Derek P TEX
Jackson, Edwin P WAS
Leake, Mike P CIN
Masterson, Justin P CLE
Nova, Ivan P NYY
Rivera, Mariano P NYY
Storen, Drew P WAS

BENCH
Alvarez, Pedro 3B PIT
Jay, Jon OF STL
Lucroy, Jonathan C MIL
Porcello, Rick P DET
Scutaro, Marco SS COL
Tomlin, Josh P CLE
Young, Delmon OF DET

I think some others are busting your chops over this SP situation a little too much. I like this strategy at the right draft table. Leake was a poor fit for this strategy IMO, and I would have managed the reserve rounds pretty differently. I would have taken a minimum of 4, and probably more like 5 or 6 dart throws at other starters rather than all those backup hitters when your offense should be strong to begin with. An OF and 2b in the reserves would have been enough to cover any injury. Good team, could be a real winner.

whipsaw wrote:

Outlaw wrote:Would love some feedback... one thing i noticed was quite a few unsigned players without teams were taken. Also after doing a few 50 round 15 teamers, these 12 team drafts felt totally different... As with the 50 rounders, plenty of SP late....

Posey, Buster C SF
Wieters, Matt C BAL
Cabrera, Miguel 1B DET
Ackley, Dustin 2B SEA
Moustakas, Mike 3B KC
Reyes, Jose SS MIA
Bruce, Jay OF CIN
Hunter, Torii OF LAA
McCutchen, Andrew OF PIT
Morrison, Logan OF MIA
Prado, Martin 3B,OF ATL
Aybar, Erick SS LAA
Goldschmidt, Paul 1B ARI
Montero, Jesus UTL SEA
Alvarez, Henderson P TOR
Axford, John P MIL
Holland, Derek P TEX
Jackson, Edwin P WAS
Leake, Mike P CIN
Masterson, Justin P CLE
Nova, Ivan P NYY
Rivera, Mariano P NYY
Storen, Drew P WAS

BENCH
Alvarez, Pedro 3B PIT
Jay, Jon OF STL
Lucroy, Jonathan C MIL
Porcello, Rick P DET
Scutaro, Marco SS COL
Tomlin, Josh P CLE
Young, Delmon OF DET

I think some others are busting your chops over this SP situation a little too much. I like this strategy at the right draft table. Leake was a poor fit for this strategy IMO, and I would have managed the reserve rounds pretty differently. I would have taken a minimum of 4, and probably more like 5 or 6 dart throws at other starters rather than all those backup hitters when your offense should be strong to begin with. An OF and 2b in the reserves would have been enough to cover any injury. Good team, could be a real winner.

I definitely agree that it is not a bad strategy, especially with the strength everywhere else. I just think the 18th round is a little late to take your first SP and if you are going to wait that long, you pick maybe 6 in a row and load up with a total of 9-10 starters.. I liked the strategy a lot, until rounds 20-23.... Pedro Alvarez (20), Torrii Hunter (21), and Marco Scutaro (23) should have been pitchers, IMO. The likes of Danks, Stauffer, Liriano, Chacin were all available when you took those hitters. But, hey... your hitting is top notch and all you will need is middle of the road starting pitching to win the league, so, I guess we will see. I took a more conventional approach but who knows.

The other problem is that by you not taking any SP, you made every other team in the league's SP that much better since it was basically an 11 man draft for pitching, which, in turn, makes it that much harder for you to get any pitching points

hot and cold wrote:mets your team looks good . now the other team . what were you thinking . your sp is so poor i have no words .

I knew there would be critiscm of the SP's, but I pretty much got the ones i wanted and we will see as the season plays out. My goal was to pick starters who are healthy (tomlin i checked out every which way injury wise and he was solid for me last year) and who can give me 175-200 innings. I'm looking for 90 wins from the SP's i have (Nova- 13, Tomlin 12, Leake 13, Alavarez -12, Holland- 18, EJack- 15, Porcello 15, Masterson 14 - Total of 112.) That being said there are another at least 20 SP's left in the FA pool, who i would have no problem targeting or dropping any i have should they not perform. This approach, for sure, requires in season managment every week, but we shall see. Alavarez was a gut pick, who ill dump quick should he not get going early and fast. Scutaro pick was panic pick when i realized late i was short a decent backup MI. With the way injuries have gone in MLB the past 5 years, I always want a decent backup in as many places as I can. I did come down to Scutaro or Chacin, and i wanted the flyer on Scutaro playing in Coors.

As far as another league, ill pass, but TY for mentioning it.

Hells Satans wrote:The other problem is that by you not taking any SP, you made every other team in the league's SP that much better since it was basically an 11 man draft for pitching, which, in turn, makes it that much harder for you to get any pitching points

You are correct, I probably left about 4-5 SP's available for the 11 other teams in the first 18 rounds or so if i had a conventional draft plan. I do appreciate the feedback i have gotten from everyone.

Outlaw wrote:

hot and cold wrote:mets your team looks good . now the other team . what were you thinking . your sp is so poor i have no words .

I knew there would be critiscm of the SP's, but I pretty much got the ones i wanted and we will see as the season plays out. My goal was to pick starters who are healthy (tomlin i checked out every which way injury wise and he was solid for me last year) and who can give me 175-200 innings. I'm looking for 90 wins from the SP's i have (Nova- 13, Tomlin 12, Leake 13, Alavarez -12, Holland- 18, EJack- 15, Porcello 15, Masterson 14 - Total of 112.) That being said there are another at least 20 SP's left in the FA pool, who i would have no problem targeting or dropping any i have should they not perform. This approach, for sure, requires in season managment every week, but we shall see. Alavarez was a gut pick, who ill dump quick should he not get going early and fast. Scutaro pick was panic pick when i realized late i was short a decent backup MI. With the way injuries have gone in MLB the past 5 years, I always want a decent backup in as many places as I can. I did come down to Scutaro or Chacin, and i wanted the flyer on Scutaro playing in Coors.

As far as another league, ill pass, but TY for mentioning it.

if you get between 90 - 112 wins with this staff . the beer is on me .

hot and cold wrote:

Outlaw wrote:

hot and cold wrote:mets your team looks good . now the other team . what were you thinking . your sp is so poor i have no words .

I knew there would be critiscm of the SP's, but I pretty much got the ones i wanted and we will see as the season plays out. My goal was to pick starters who are healthy (tomlin i checked out every which way injury wise and he was solid for me last year) and who can give me 175-200 innings. I'm looking for 90 wins from the SP's i have (Nova- 13, Tomlin 12, Leake 13, Alavarez -12, Holland- 18, EJack- 15, Porcello 15, Masterson 14 - Total of 112.) That being said there are another at least 20 SP's left in the FA pool, who i would have no problem targeting or dropping any i have should they not perform. This approach, for sure, requires in season managment every week, but we shall see. Alavarez was a gut pick, who ill dump quick should he not get going early and fast. Scutaro pick was panic pick when i realized late i was short a decent backup MI. With the way injuries have gone in MLB the past 5 years, I always want a decent backup in as many places as I can. I did come down to Scutaro or Chacin, and i wanted the flyer on Scutaro playing in Coors.

As far as another league, ill pass, but TY for mentioning it.

if you get between 90 - 112 wins with this staff . the beer is on me .

I think he gets it... no need to pour it on. I actually like Masterson and Holland a lot this year, and there are some serviceable free agents who can win some games. The win total is not unrealistic with some luck. The WHIP/ERA cats are a lot more up in the air, IMO. The elite closers will help, plus some decent FA pickups. Good luck. Should be fun.

hot and cold wrote:

Outlaw wrote:

hot and cold wrote:mets your team looks good . now the other team . what were you thinking . your sp is so poor i have no words .

I knew there would be critiscm of the SP's, but I pretty much got the ones i wanted and we will see as the season plays out. My goal was to pick starters who are healthy (tomlin i checked out every which way injury wise and he was solid for me last year) and who can give me 175-200 innings. I'm looking for 90 wins from the SP's i have (Nova- 13, Tomlin 12, Leake 13, Alavarez -12, Holland- 18, EJack- 15, Porcello 15, Masterson 14 - Total of 112.) That being said there are another at least 20 SP's left in the FA pool, who i would have no problem targeting or dropping any i have should they not perform. This approach, for sure, requires in season managment every week, but we shall see. Alavarez was a gut pick, who ill dump quick should he not get going early and fast. Scutaro pick was panic pick when i realized late i was short a decent backup MI. With the way injuries have gone in MLB the past 5 years, I always want a decent backup in as many places as I can. I did come down to Scutaro or Chacin, and i wanted the flyer on Scutaro playing in Coors.

As far as another league, ill pass, but TY for mentioning it.

if you get between 90 - 112 wins with this staff . the beer is on me .

they had 95 last year and that was with Alvarez with 1. 6 of the 8 play for playoff contenders and if if cleveland contends, all 8 will... just saying... Henderson Alvarez I believe will be a fantasy stud, but thats just my opinion. plus there are another 118 wins from last year amongst only 9 other pichers sitting on the waiver wire in our league. folks can have all the yu darvish, Neftali, johan, santana, Latos, Johnson, they want, but it remains to be seen. Health, health and more health with pitchers is the way I view them.

Was in that draft as well from the 4th slot. Really liked what you did in the OF Outlaw, was pissed when you got LoMo & Delmon that late, I was like "Shit, he's gonna pull off a solid roster". Here's what I ended up with at 4...

C - Avila, A (8.09)
C - Hernandez, R (23.04)
1B - Berkman, L (9.04) (OF)
CI - Freeman, F (11.04) (1B)
3B - Beltre, A (3.04)
2B - Pedroia, D (2.09)
MI - Cozart, Z (24.09) (SS)
SS - Peralta, J (15.04)
OF - Braun, R (1.04)
OF - Jennings, D (4.09)
OF - Gordon, A (6.09)
OF - Bourjos, P (13.04)
OF - Harper, B (18.09)
DH - Encarnacion, E (19.04) (1B/3B)

B - Viciedo, D (21.04) (OF)
B - Martinez, JD (25.04) (OF)
B - Moreland, M (27.04) (1B/OF)
B - Furcal, R (28.09) (SS)

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SP - Price, D (5.04)
SP - Wainwright, A (7.04)
SP - Hanson, T (10.09)
SP - Garcia, J (16.09)
SP - McCarthy, B (17.04)
SP - Minor, M (22.09)
RP - Bailey, A (12.09)
RP - League, B (14.09)
RP - Guerra, J (20.09)

B - Bedard, E (26.09) (SP)
B - Nicasio, J (29.04) (SP)
B - Harang, A (30.09) (SP)

I dont think anyone is piling on. I think most enjoy when someone puts their team out there to be analyzed and scrutinized. I was in this draft too and found the strategy very interesting. It's not something I would probably do in an overall competition, but has a shot to win the league.

Good job with your team Alan. I would post mine but I was not very happy with it o

CALI CARTEL wrote:Was in that draft as well from the 4th slot. Really liked what you did in the OF Outlaw, was pissed when you got LoMo & Delmon that late, I was like "Shit, he's gonna pull off a solid roster". Here's what I ended up with at 4...

C - Avila, A (8.09)
C - Hernandez, R (23.04)
1B - Berkman, L (9.04) (OF)
CI - Freeman, F (11.04) (1B)
3B - Beltre, A (3.04)
2B - Pedroia, D (2.09)
MI - Cozart, Z (24.09) (SS)
SS - Peralta, J (15.04)
OF - Braun, R (1.04)
OF - Jennings, D (4.09)
OF - Gordon, A (6.09)
OF - Bourjos, P (13.04)
OF - Harper, B (18.09)
DH - Encarnacion, E (19.04) (1B/3B)

B - Viciedo, D (21.04) (OF)
B - Martinez, JD (25.04) (OF)
B - Moreland, M (27.04) (1B/OF)
B - Furcal, R (28.09) (SS)

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SP - Price, D (5.04)
SP - Wainwright, A (7.04)
SP - Hanson, T (10.09)
SP - Garcia, J (16.09)
SP - McCarthy, B (17.04)
SP - Minor, M (22.09)
RP - Bailey, A (12.09)
RP - League, B (14.09)
RP - Guerra, J (20.09)

B - Bedard, E (26.09) (SP)
B - Nicasio, J (29.04) (SP)
B - Harang, A (30.09) (SP)

Alan -You have a solid team IMO. You got a few I wanted too, cozart, martinez, harang, Harper and right before I was going to grab them. Like i said in the intial post, I thought almost everyone knew the player pool really well, especially the first 20 rounds.

I got a little program I run in excel loaded with the 10 counting stats and a few others, that as I make a pick or before i make the pick, it updates the cumlative stats for my team as i draft (based on last years stats) and then the next column updates the same counting stats with the avg. of 5 projections (and we all know there are millions of experts out there- lol) from various sources for the coming season. Rookies i only go on projections. So in essence i model the impact almost everytime before i make a pick, unless I am dead sure who I want. So as the draft goes on i can see where i stand based on targets i would like to hit. We all have different methods. Some would be surprised where my CUM ERA and WHIP stands for this pitching staff based on last years stats. That all being said, i agree there will be some work to do managing the team. One thing i have learned over the years, is the numbers never lie and averages almost always work. in this game though, there are all the unknowns...

The Franchise wrote:I dont think anyone is piling on. I think most enjoy when someone puts their team out there to be analyzed and scrutinized. I was in this draft too and found the strategy very interesting. It's not something I would probably do in an overall competition, but has a shot to win the league.

Good job with your team Alan. I would post mine but I was not very happy with it o

It's actually the first time I have put out a team for others to look at. I just never felt inclined to do so until now, bascially looking for any and all insight. I had one slow draft I only took 6 ptichers the first 26 rounds and then loaded up with about 15 SP's out of the next 20 picks. Barring injury I feel that team will do really well on the offense. again, I'm just trying some different things this year.

hot and cold wrote:i would like to get in 1 more 12 man draft . if you guys want to play one pick a date . already have a $ 350 online team . would like to draft a $150 pay top 3 . 12 man . let me know if you want in post on this thread if you want . mark

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