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Not that anyone really cares (anymore, if at all), but does anyone recall the long discussions on this board during the first season about strength of leagues, and trying to determine which leagues were stronger than others? Owners must have gone through a dozen different ways in an attempt to determine which league was the strongest.



Las Vegas #3 (inaugural season) was always listed near the bottom. I never really understood why, especially considering that this league had Todd Zola, Nate Ravitz and Terry Haney among others.



Haney ended up winning the league, as well as the NL auction league, and finished (I think) 3rd overall.



Of the fifteen owners in that league, a remarkable four won their respective leagues in 2005. These four are Nate Ravitz (winner, Las Vegas #3), David Longood (winner, ultimate auction), Kevin Rogers (winner, Las Vegas #8) and Mark Yagan (winner, Chicago #2).



Kevin Rogers is presently in 4th in the lifetime standings, with Mark Yagan in 8th, and Terry Haney should be in the top 20, (but is not listed for some reason). Additionally, Nate Ravitz is 44th in the lifetime standings, David Longood is 53rd in the lifetime standings, and some guy named Scott Zeidman is 39th lifetime. That gives 2004 LV #3 six of the top 53 in the lifetime standings, even after having to compete with one another during the 2004 season.



No, we didn't have NFBC demigod Shawn Childs in the league, but still it was a competitive league, certainly better than the ranking provided by the various statistical analyses provided.



By the way, in the inaural 2004 season, Nate Ravitz finished 13th, Kevin Rogers finished 3rd, David Longood finished 11th and Mark Yagan finished 4th in (allegedly weak) Las Vegas #3.



What does it all mean?



Admittedly, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.



Was LV#3 one of the top or bottom leagues of the inaugural 2004 season? I have no idea. But, on a relatively slow message board day as we all get ready for the 2006 season, perhaps it is food for thought.



Then again, perhaps not.



Buster

I beleive I was in that league. I spent all my FAAB and became the poster child of how not to do it. I learned a good lesson in that league. The lesson was don't draft with those guys!!!

Buster,



I did an anlysis of what league looked most competitive based on each league's cumulative stats and subsequent rankings. You'll have to look back on the message board to October or November to find it. Unfortunately, there are just to many 'what if's' to truly know which league was best. Each method of determing this has its flaws. For instance the methid I used above would be flawed if 4 or 5 managers' benches wre so good, thus reducing their leagues cumulative stats vs other leagues.



I also spent a good week (recently) looking at last year's drafts (all 20 from Main Event) up and down and inside and out. Perhaps I'm grasping at straws here, but some leagues, perhaps those with more PROS than AMATEURS, can sometimes alter each managers draft dramatically because of similar stratgeies/methodologies. Just maybe this human behavior (ie CLOSER STAMPEDE, REPLACEMENT VALUE PICKS, etc) severely alters their results dramiatcally when a large group does the same. Just food for thought!

Buster,



I dug it up for you. Notice where Vegas 3 stands in this list.



POINTS Total Rank

Chicago 4 151 20

Las Vegas 3 129 19

New York 5 128 18

Las Vegas 5 127 17

Chicago 3 118 15

New York 7 118 15

Las Vegas 9 112 14

Las Vegas 8 110 13

Las Vegas 1 106 11

New York 1 106 11

Las Vegas 7 103 10

New York 3 99 9

Las Vegas 2 98 7

Las Vegas 6 98 7

Las Vegas 4 96 6

New York 4 94 5

New York 6 86 4

Chicago 2 80 3

Chicago 1 78 2

New York 2 56 1