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One guy started 7 out of 8 pitchers and has an OF consisting of Joyce, Alonso, Presley, Craig, Brantley. From the 12, he went Kershaw, Verlander, Weaver, Strasburg (4.01), Wainwright, Mariano, Asdrubal, Motte (8.01).

Other Interesting picks...
Ellsbury 2.10 (to the Miggy owner, decent 1-2 combe there)
Longo 2.12/Stanton 3.01 (Will Tyrer took Kemp 1.01 and landed this pair at the 2/3 turn)
Elvis 6.12
Youkilis 10.12
Choo 11.03 (I have no idea and no real rational excuse for why I didn't take him early, other than I already had 3 OF)
Worley 11.04 / Sale 12.09 / Minor 13.04 (same guy took them all b2b2b)
Romero 12.02
Butler 16.05
Dunn 17.10
Cespedes 17.11
Francoeur 18.03
De Aza 24.03

Weird closer picks
Papelbon 4.09
Kimbrel 5.03
Valverde 6.09 (to the Papelbon owner)
Axford 6.11
H.Bell 7.02 (to the Axford owner)
Walden 7.04 (to the Pap/Valverde owner) ?!??!?!!?
Storen 11.10 (13th closer selected, great value if injury is minor)

There's a few really good teams in this draft, due to some really bad drafts by a few teams. Really happy with my team, but Tyrer just sat there at pick 1 and let value after value fall to him. There were a few picks where he had too many guys to choose from that were all just amazing values (he actually passed on Choo at the 10/11 turn in lieu of Youk/Ike). There's a decent chance a Top Overall Contender comes out of this league, even with the one guy monopolizing the pitching.

Where did you pick in this draft?

Unless you were at #2, I don't see how you could pass on Longoria AND Ellsbury in round 2?

It was definatley a crazy draft. Strange picks all night long. Yes, i got my closers, but only after i saw the top 3 i wanted gone by round 5. Cali Cartel nailed it on there be value , At least in his and my opnions, all draft long.

I had the second pick.

Lucroy, Jonathan C MIL
Santana, Carlos C,1B CLE
Pujols, Albert 1B LAA
Kendrick, Howie 2B,OF LAA
Lawrie, Brett 3B TOR
Cozart, Zack SS CIN
Carp, Mike 1B,OF SEA
Crisp, Coco OF OAK
Ethier, Andre OF LAD
McCutchen, Andrew OF PIT
Zobrist, Ben 2B,OF TB
Ackley, Dustin 2B SEA
Bonifacio, Emilio 3B,SS,OF MIA
Montero, Jesus UTL SEA
Belt, Brandon 1B,OF SF
Boesch, Brennan OF DET
Murphy, Daniel 1B,2B,3B NYM
Prado, Martin 3B,OF ATL

Zambrano, Carlos P MIA
Alvarez, Henderson P TOR
Cahill, Trevor P ARI
Axford, John P MIL
Bell, Heath P MIA
Buchholz, Clay P BOS
Holland, Derek P TEX
Masterson, Justin P CLE
Norris, Bud P HOU
Pineda, Michael P NYY
Rodriguez, Wandy P HOU


Arenado, Nolan 3B COL

Sorry Outlaw but I don't believe you will be able to compete with that team...

there's that word "value" again

I'm not sure what it means

PGromek wrote:there's that word "value" again

I'm not sure what it means

Indeed.

Got to the point that I identify the players I want, look at their ADP and take them 1/2 rounds before that. I will have poor 'value' but I have the team I want.

BlindSquirrel wrote:Where did you pick in this draft?

Unless you were at #2, I don't see how you could pass on Longoria AND Ellsbury in round 2?

Went Cargo 1 and Cano 2. Had no need for Ellsbury with Cargo already and much prefer Cano over Longo.

This is what I ended up with...

CI: Sandoval (4.03), Lind (16.03), Dunn (17.10), Moreland (27.10), Figgins (29.10)

MI: Cano (2.03), Hardy (14.03), Desmond (21.10), S.Drew (30.03)

OF: C.Gonzalez (1.10), Cruz (5.10), A.Jones (8.03 -- should've gone pitcher here and took Choo in the 9th, didn't expect either to get back to me), Francoeur (18.03), L.Cain (19.10), De Aza (24.03), Venable (26.03)

C: Napoli (6.03), Mauer (9.10)

SP: Hamels (3.10), Kennedy (7.10), Luebke (10.03), Hanson (13.10), McCarthy (20.03), Billingsley (22.03), Volquez (23.10), Capuano (25.10), Nicasio (28.03)

RP: Storen (11.10), Street (12.03), Guerra (15.10)

CALI CARTEL wrote:This is what I ended up with...

CI: Sandoval (4.03), Lind (16.03), Dunn (17.10), Moreland (27.10), Figgins (29.10)

MI: Cano (2.03), Hardy (14.03), Desmond (21.10), S.Drew (30.03)

OF: C.Gonzalez (1.10), Cruz (5.10), A.Jones (8.03 -- should've gone pitcher here and took Choo in the 9th, didn't expect either to get back to me), Francoeur (18.03), L.Cain (19.10), De Aza (24.03), Venable (26.03)

C: Napoli (6.03), Mauer (9.10)

SP: Hamels (3.10), Kennedy (7.10), Luebke (10.03), Hanson (13.10), McCarthy (20.03), Billingsley (22.03), Volquez (23.10), Capuano (25.10), Nicasio (28.03)

RP: Storen (11.10), Street (12.03), Guerra (15.10)

nice balance. like this.

mattjb wrote:nice balance. like this.

Thanks, loved everything except gonna be a little light in steals unless I use De Aza/Figgins a little more than I normally would. Kinda hope to use Dunn/Figgins in some sort of platoon, sitting Dunn when he gets multiple lefties during a series.

PGromek wrote:there's that word "value" again

I'm not sure what it means

It means nobody in their right mind should EVER let Choo get to round 11.

PGromek wrote:there's that word "value" again

I'm not sure what it means

When 7 closers go off the board before 7.05 in a 12-teamer, that creates VALUE elsewhere, no matter what your opinion of what or how much that word actually means.

CALI CARTEL wrote:This is what I ended up with...

CI: Sandoval (4.03), Lind (16.03), Dunn (17.10), Moreland (27.10), Figgins (29.10)

MI: Cano (2.03), Hardy (14.03), Desmond (21.10), S.Drew (30.03)

OF: C.Gonzalez (1.10), Cruz (5.10), A.Jones (8.03 -- should've gone pitcher here and took Choo in the 9th, didn't expect either to get back to me), Francoeur (18.03), L.Cain (19.10), De Aza (24.03), Venable (26.03)

C: Napoli (6.03), Mauer (9.10)

SP: Hamels (3.10), Kennedy (7.10), Luebke (10.03), Hanson (13.10), McCarthy (20.03), Billingsley (22.03), Volquez (23.10), Capuano (25.10), Nicasio (28.03)

RP: Storen (11.10), Street (12.03), Guerra (15.10)

For a 12 team league, steals look light unless you plan to play De Aza and Venable

CALI CARTEL wrote:One guy started 7 out of 8 pitchers and has an OF consisting of Joyce, Alonso, Presley, Craig, Brantley. From the 12, he went Kershaw, Verlander, Weaver, Strasburg (4.01), Wainwright, Mariano, Asdrubal, Motte (8.01).

Other Interesting picks...
Ellsbury 2.10 (to the Miggy owner, decent 1-2 combe there)
Longo 2.12/Stanton 3.01 (Will Tyrer took Kemp 1.01 and landed this pair at the 2/3 turn)
Elvis 6.12
Youkilis 10.12
Choo 11.03 (I have no idea and no real rational excuse for why I didn't take him early, other than I already had 3 OF)
Worley 11.04 / Sale 12.09 / Minor 13.04 (same guy took them all b2b2b)
Romero 12.02
Butler 16.05
Dunn 17.10
Cespedes 17.11
Francoeur 18.03
De Aza 24.03

Weird closer picks
Papelbon 4.09
Kimbrel 5.03
Valverde 6.09 (to the Papelbon owner)
Axford 6.11
H.Bell 7.02 (to the Axford owner)
Walden 7.04 (to the Pap/Valverde owner) ?!??!?!!?
Storen 11.10 (13th closer selected, great value if injury is minor)

There's a few really good teams in this draft, due to some really bad drafts by a few teams. Really happy with my team, but Tyrer just sat there at pick 1 and let value after value fall to him. There were a few picks where he had too many guys to choose from that were all just amazing values (he actually passed on Choo at the 10/11 turn in lieu of Youk/Ike). There's a decent chance a Top Overall Contender comes out of this league, even with the one guy monopolizing the pitching.

OK 12 team league, granted, but how is Ellsbury drafted at #22 ??? Am I reading this correctly?

mattjb wrote:

PGromek wrote:there's that word "value" again

I'm not sure what it means

Indeed.

Got to the point that I identify the players I want, look at their ADP and take them 1/2 rounds before that. I will have poor 'value' but I have the team I want.

True, but when a sure fire top 10 guy (Ellsbury) gets drafted at 22, there is a problem. I can see reaching for players that you like throughout the draft, but 22 for Ellsbury, really??

BK METS wrote:True, but when a sure fire top 10 guy (Ellsbury) gets drafted at 22, there is a problem. I can see reaching for players that you like throughout the draft, but 22 for Ellsbury, really??

Here's the first 7 rounds by team (so go down the first column, back up the second column, etc)...

Kemp, Longo, Stanton, Price, BJUpton, Elvis, Cain
Pujols, McCutchen, Lawrie, Santana, Zobrist, Axford, H.Bell
Miggy, Ellsbury, Beltre, Uggla, Kimbrel, Gallardo, Morse
Bautista, Reyes, Hamilton, Papelbon, Phillips, Valverde, Walden
Tulo, Granderson, C.Lee, Haren, Konerko, Bourn, CJWilson
Braun, Teixeira, Sabathia, Jennings, Pence, M.Young, Bumgarner
Votto, Halladay, Lincecum, Bruce, McCann, Castro, Gardner
Adrian, Kinsler, Hosmer, A.Rod, D.Gordon, Moore, Lester
Prince, JUpton, Felix, Zimmerman, D.Wright, A.Gordon, Posey
Cargo, Cano, Hamels, Sandoval, N.Cruz, Napoli, Kennedy
Hanley, Pedroia, Holliday, Greinke, Ar.Ramirez, Crawford, Shields
Kershaw, Verlander, Weaver, Strasburg, Wainwright, Mariano, Asdrubal (and Motte)

The thing that is hard with a draft like the 12 position team had (all pitchers) is that it would kinda screw the pooch for everyone else going for balance and an overall position. Not only does the team with all pitchers have little chance of even winning the league but many of the attempts at balanced rosters would be messed up too.

Would work the same way if someone tried to corner the market on speed or saves. I would think that every other team in the league would struggle overall.

mhest wrote:The thing that is hard with a draft like the 12 position team had (all pitchers) is that it would kinda screw the pooch for everyone else going for balance and an overall position. Not only does the team with all pitchers have little chance of even winning the league but many of the attempts at balanced rosters would be messed up too.

Would work the same way if someone tried to corner the market on speed or saves. I would think that every other team in the league would struggle overall.

Normally I would agree, in one of my other OC drafts another team went 10 straight pitchers to start...in that league I don't think anyone is going to challenge in the overall standings, because he took THE best pitchers on the board at almost every pick in those 10 rounds.

This guy last night tho (arguably) reached on Strasburg/Wainwright, probably went a little unnecessarily early on Weaver/Mariano, and most definitely went absurdly early on Motte. So while he did load up and hinder the pitching across the rest of the league, I think there were a few people who ignored SP early that kind of counterbalanced Team 12's pitching assault.

I mean you don't *have* to get Kershaw + a Felix-type to contend in the overall, through 7 rounds these were the other pitching combos:

Price, Cain
No SP (Axford, H.Bell)
Gallardo (Kimbrel)
No SP (Paps, Valverde, Walden)
Cliff, Haren, CJWilson
Sabathia, Bumgarner
Halladay, Lincecum
Moore, Lester
Felix
Hamels, Kennedy
Greinke, Shields

4 of the other 11 teams combined for only two total SP through 7 rounds, which allowed pretty much everyone else to grab at least 2 solid SP through 7 rounds, even with Team 12 loading up.

I realize that didn't happen here - the pitching choices, while large in number, did not in any way corner a market. In some ways they were just plain odd.

Then again I drafted Alexi Ramirez last night instead of Aramis Ramirez. I don't think it is going affect the team that I only kind of like but it was disappointing when I did it. They both show up as A. Ramirez in the queue.

online done tonight from 2 spot

C Avila/Ruiz
1B Freeman/Mike Young
2B R.Roberts
SS Rollins/Yuni Escobar/galvis(will be 2b soon)
3B Zimmerman/Lowrie
OF Kemp/Hamilton/Morse/Melky/Carlos Lee/brantley/Venable

SP Halladay/Latos/Hellickson/Kuroda/Buehrle/Harrison/Nova/Lohse
RP Valverde/capps/Broxton/Mike Adams/Coco Cordero

My thoughts....i dont like 2b...but we waited too long to get one..so roberts it is...as for closers.....we waited too long there as well....so hoping capps/adams/broxton gets us enough saves to equal a solid #2. Coco cordero was a last second grab that was a throwaway most likely to FAAB

like the offense other than speed..hope brantley and venable can help there

3 teams got unreal starts. What they did the rest of the way will possibly give then a chance at OA. I hope I get so lucky to have some morons in my draft.

76erfan wrote:online done tonight from 2 spot

C Avila/Ruiz
1B Freeman/Mike Young
2B R.Roberts
SS Rollins/Yuni Escobar/galvis(will be 2b soon)
3B Zimmerman/Lowrie
OF Kemp/Hamilton/Morse/Melky/Carlos Lee/brantley/Venable

SP Halladay/Latos/Hellickson/Kuroda/Buehrle/Harrison/Nova/Lohse
RP Valverde/capps/Broxton/Mike Adams/Coco Cordero

My thoughts....i dont like 2b...but we waited too long to get one..so roberts it is...as for closers.....we waited too long there as well....so hoping capps/adams/broxton gets us enough saves to equal a solid #2. Coco cordero was a last second grab that was a throwaway most likely to FAAB

like the offense other than speed..hope brantley and venable can help there

Wow, look at the draft I just posted under the VanRiper thread. Our hitters consist of many of the same players.. I hope you do well!!