Wanna be Auction Championship team vs. The Real McCoy

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Wanna be Auction Championship team vs. The Real McCoy

Post by ALL-IN JD » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:08 pm

Exhibit A: The Championship Roster:


c molina 9 Posey 16
c arencibia 8 Lucroy 5
1b hosmer 29 Pena 7
2b kinsler 36 Kendrick 20
ss tulo 41 Aybar 17
3b r.roberts 11 Lawrie 26
ci wiggington 2 Freese 10
mi j.weeks 11 Ackley 8
of willingham 5 Jennings 21
of d.young 11 A. Gordon 21
of cain 13 Alonso 3
of presley 8 Rasmus 4
of reddick 1 Revere 3
u parmelee 2 Belt 7

sp greinke 26 Weaver 21
sp d.holland 9 M. Moore 17
sp masterson 4 Romero 12
sp t.hudson 6 Fister 8
sp hochaver 1 Kuroda 7
sp nicasio 5 Capuano 3
sp bauer 2 Motte 11
rp valverde 12 Wilson 8
rp marshall 8 Guerra 5

reserves
m.harrison Span
t.greene J. Guzman
w.betemit Schaefer
lohse Porcello
rosario De Jesus
brothers C. Johnson
wilhelsman E. Chavez

Looks like a mismatch to me!! :-)

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Re: Wanna be Auction Championship team vs. The Real McCoy

Post by Gekko » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:15 pm

u have quality team jeff. however, not a fan of buying 3 closers. get lapped in k's and wins. could have used the extra money for another SP IMO

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Post by ALL-IN JD » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:24 pm

Come on Mark, lapped in k's? Did you compare your starters to mine? It's an absolute whitewash. What what you say you get from your 7 starters to my 6? Also, I paid $24 for three closers, an absolute no brainer. Unless you are able to troll for saves you are out of contention for the overall, in my humble opinion of course :-)

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Post by Gekko » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:33 pm

ALL-IN JD wrote:Come on Mark, lapped in k's? Did you compare your starters to mine? It's an absolute whitewash. What what you say you get from your 7 starters to my 6? Also, I paid $24 for three closers, an absolute no brainer. Unless you are able to troll for saves you are out of contention for the overall, in my humble opinion of course :-)
yes, i've seen both pitching staffs and i believe i will have more k's at the end of the season. also 3 of your 6 SP pitch in AL East. team whip/era will be higher than u think. guerra is really like half a closer. will liekly be gone at some pt of season

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Post by ALL-IN JD » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:41 pm

You gotta do better than that my good friend. Romero pitched in the AL East last year (the last time I checked) and had a 2.92 ERA and 1.14 WHIP, and Moore has stud written all of him, so I am not sure what the AL East has to do with it. I get 740-750 k's just from my top 4. Another 330 minimum from Capuano and Fister

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Post by Gekko » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:48 pm

ALL-IN JD wrote:You gotta do better than that my good friend. Romero pitched in the AL East last year (the last time I checked) and had a 2.92 ERA and 1.14 WHIP, and Moore has stud written all of him, so I am not sure what the AL East has to do with it. I get 740-750 k's just from my top 4. Another 330 minimum from Capuano and Fister
romero had a lucky year last year. skill set is worse than his surface stats. good bet to regress. while moore looks good in a limited sample size, he's had control issues in the past, and could surface this year, which will drive up pitch counts and reduce wins. will likely have an inning cap which limits k's and wins

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Post by Gekko » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:51 pm

we should have a roundtable discussion at the draft venue after the auction next year. it will be the most watched nfbc event ever. :D

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Post by ALL-IN JD » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:51 pm

I love you man!! :-)

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Post by Gekko » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:53 pm

ALL-IN JD wrote:I love you man!! :-)
it's all in good fun! like i said, overall u have a quality team, and even though i'm hate'n on moore, i'd love to have him!! :D

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Post by King of Queens » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:26 am

Gekko wrote:we should have a roundtable discussion at the draft venue after the auction next year. it will be the most watched nfbc event ever. :D
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Post by Thunder » Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:22 pm

Gotta love this, my wife and I sat between these two during the draft. it's a good thing my wife was there, for out of respect for her, they could have come to blows.
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Post by CALI CARTEL » Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:30 am

I like both those rosters, lots of quality buys there. You may not like buying 3 closers, but those 3 were terrific values, $24 for that trio? Sign me up any time, Guerra is part time optional if you don't want to fall behind in Wins/Ks, but there's a good chance someone from that group misses time due to injury (or job loss with Guerra or even Motte), so the opportunities to go 7 SP will be there. Solid starters for a 15-teamer, but I probably prefer Gekko's value at SP, with some great buys in Tim Hudson, Nicasio and Bauer. Hitting wise, Gekko's got Tulo/Kinsler/Hosmer, but I wasn't ecstatic with the choice of $8-$13 guys you filled in with, did like the cheap Wigginton & Parmalee selections though. Overall however, I think the more balanced purchases of McCoy are gonna win out here, Lawrie, Jennings, A.Gordon, Kendrick, Aybar, Posey and a few guys I liked as better cheap values in Freese/Ackley/Revere/Lucroy, plus the Pena and (hopefully) Alonso power bats, puts together a deep and balanced roster that should do well. Both teams are pretty damn solid, but I'd give a slight edge to McCoy overall.

I was able to put this together in the Vegas Sunday 10am league that consisted of a very savvy group of owners...

C: W.Ramos (4)
C: R.Hernandez (2)
1B: E.Hosmer (27)
CI: J.Morneau (8)
3B: B.Lawrie (26)
2B: R.Weeks (14)
MI: S.Drew (2)
SS: T.Tulowitzki (41)
OF: M.Cuddyer (17)
OF: J.Heyward (13)
OF: L.Morrison (4)
OF: M.Moreland (2)
OF: A.Craig (1)
DH: D.Freese (5)

Reserves: C.Figgins, R.Davis, R.Andino, J.Rivera, C.Nelson

SP: D.Haren (24)
SP: Y.Darvish (17)
SP: D.Hudson (15)
SP: M.Minor (9)
SP: B.Colon (3)
SP: T.Bauer (2)
RP: J.Valverde (12)
RP: J.Guerra (9)
RP: G.Holland (3)

Reserves: A.Harang, C.Richard

Some of my thoughts...

Pretty happy with the roster, but it's WAY LIGHT in steals, tried to begin addressing that with the early reserve picks of Figgins/Rajai. Obviously need some SP depth as well, but not too worried about that with my top 4-5 guys, can find a few bodies off waivers. Didn't expect to get stuck with Allen Craig at $1, thought someone else would take a stab for $2, but we were willing to take him for the $1 if they didn't -- however it locked up our final OF slot and we already had 4 Corners (got Freese before Morneau). We were targeting a group of speed guys for that last slot, but were thinking if we got stuck with Craig at least one would survive until Reserves. After we finished out our roster, we sat there and watched all four of Ben Revere, Nyjer Morgan, Eduardo Nunez and Alexi Casilla get selected as $1 fillers -- needed at least one of those guys to get to us in the reserve round, would've helped out a lot.

Don't usually like to park more than one guy on the bench, but these guys (Craig, Drew & Bauer) were great values at $5 total and I don't think any one of them is going to be out of service for that long. Craig is nearly back already and should only be out 1-2 weeks; Drew is way ahead of his original time table for return and now is looking to be back in mid-to-late April; and if you've seen Josh Collmenter or Joe Saunders pitch this spring, then you have to believe Trevor Bauer is going to be up sooner than later if the D-Backs want to repeat as NL West Champs.

Daniel Hudson $15 was the last of the #2 SP (Top 30) left on the board when he was called, the other options at that time were guys like Anibal Sanchez, Clay Buchholz, Neftali Feliz, Shaun Marcum, etc. We had Hudson pegged at $15, but were actually probably willing to go $17 on him if someone topped the $15. The edge getting a horse as our #3 at that point was way bigger than the extra few dollars we'd save grabbing a $10-12 SP as our #3.

Javy Guerra $9 was one of the last 3 closers off the board, and the other two were Matt Thornton and Jim Johnson, both of whom we hate the situations. Got into a bidding war with Brady Schiller for Guerra's services, we hoped to get him at $7, but wasn't really too upset having to go 1 more round when Brady went $8.

The catcher situation was God sent, we were completely resolved to punting catchers and planned on spending $1-$3 on each guy. We had a MI, P and 2 C positions to fill and $11 left to spend; we bid $2 and got Ramon Hernandez after the Magner/Lindy team called him out. Had been waiting and waiting for someone to call Ramos in the miracle chance that we could steal him for $7 or less (our max bid), when he finally got called for $1 someone else bid $2, the original bidder went $3, we threw out a $4 with the intention of trying to get him at $6 after someone bid $5, but the room went silent and we somehow got him for only $4. It turned out to be a fairly important $2, because with our last pick we called Bartolo Colon for $3 and shut out Jon Stademueller who had a $3 max bid and told us later that he was dead red on grabbing Bartolo for his last pitcher. It was even better when a few players later two teams got into a battle for Ryan Doumit that ended at $11, I'm sure the winner of that one is really happy now that Parmalee has taken his job, could've had Ramos for $7.

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Post by Gekko » Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:10 am

for those keeping track, brett lawrie has ZERO hr this spring and ZERO sb since hurting his groin.

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Post by Gekko » Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:13 am

ackley was a nice value for jeff. i have him around a $14-$15 player. he also woulda got aybar for about $3 or $4 less if i hadn't jumped in to price enforce ;)

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Post by ALL-IN JD » Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:11 am

Cali,

That team will have a very difficult time competing. As you mentioned with steals you are guaranteed a 1 in that category. You also may be middle of the pack in saves (of course that can change if Guerra keeps the job all year and Holland takes the KC job). I like your IF a lot (obviously) but your outfield is sub-par. Cuddyer is solid and Morrison is great value but Heyward is a big risk, Moreland is marginal at best and Craig is on the DL with no real position when he comes back. With Bauer in the minors and Colon being average at best you also have very limited pitching depth. If you can find some (or a lot of) steals off of the wire along with an OF'er you will have a much better chance. When you punt a category (either intentionally or not) you really need to nail it everywhere else. Good luck either way.

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Post by MadCow Sez » Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:34 am

Same auction as Cali. Tough crowd. Wanted power early and was willing to pay. Had to go higher on Kipnis than planned as 2B cleared out before I was ready. Waited on second catcher as did everyone it seemed...obvious issue is Bailey. For now I'll chalk up my 1 point on saves:

C: LuCroy (4), Thole (1)
1B: Fielder (37)
2B: Kipnis (10)
3B: Baustista (38)
SS: Castro (25)
OF: Stanton (27), Stubbs (14), Cespedes (7), Pagan (4), Tabata (4)
MI: Cozart (6)
CI: Arenado (1)
UT: JDMartinez (2)
SP: Hamels (26), Hanson (11), Beachy (13), Marcum (5), Johan (4), Vogelsong (1), Capuano (2)
RP: Marmol (9), Bailey (9)

RES: Helton, Reddick, Milone, Hendricks, Bloomquist, Bogusevic, Oswalt

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Post by CALI CARTEL » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:22 am

ALL-IN JD wrote:Cali,

That team will have a very difficult time competing. As you mentioned with steals you are guaranteed a 1 in that category. You also may be middle of the pack in saves (of course that can change if Guerra keeps the job all year and Holland takes the KC job). I like your IF a lot (obviously) but your outfield is sub-par. Cuddyer is solid and Morrison is great value but Heyward is a big risk, Moreland is marginal at best and Craig is on the DL with no real position when he comes back. With Bauer in the minors and Colon being average at best you also have very limited pitching depth. If you can find some (or a lot of) steals off of the wire along with an OF'er you will have a much better chance. When you punt a category (either intentionally or not) you really need to nail it everywhere else. Good luck either way.
I agree on the steals, but calling the OF subpar is kind of a misnomer, Tulo is basically my OF1 and Heyward is more like my SS -- if you look at the roster that way, it's way more balanced than it first appears at hitter.

Again, this auction was loaded, you guys drafting back East don't know how good you have it in general.

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Post by ALL-IN JD » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:27 am

LOL! So that's the excuse?? I guess that was an insult to the NY competition? :-) Not only is the Auction competition pretty fierce on the East Coast, we did have the overall Auction Champ from 2010 and 2011 drafting in NY. Also, if a draft has a weak link or two (which does happen) it does potentially offer value that may not have been expected (but that can certainly happen in any draft).

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Post by CALI CARTEL » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:38 am

ALL-IN JD wrote:LOL! So that's the excuse?? I guess that was an insult to the NY competition? :-) Not only is the Auction competition pretty fierce on the East Coast, we did have the overall Auction Champ from 2010 and 2011 drafting in NY. Also, if a draft has a weak link or two (which does happen) it does potentially offer value that may not have been expected (but that can certainly happen in any draft).
I'm not bashing the NY drafts, but the reason the 2010/2011 auction champ has come from NY is because the drafts aren't as strong, period. Why do you think people are flying back to Chicago/StLouis to draft and avoiding Las Vegas? It's not just to travel to the midwest, trust me.

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Post by ALL-IN JD » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:41 am

They are staying away from Vegas?? How many auction championship leagues drafted in Vegas this year? How many stayed away because of the "unbelievable" competition?

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Post by CALI CARTEL » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:49 am

ALL-IN JD wrote:They are staying away from Vegas?? How many auction championship leagues drafted in Vegas this year? How many stayed away because of the "unbelievable" competition?
You want names? I know of at least 2 people that are acquaintances of mine, that doesn't include any portion of the other 1000 players that I don't know.

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Post by ALL-IN JD » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:51 am

No need bro. Good luck with your teams this year.

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Post by CALI CARTEL » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:57 am

Listen, I don't want to keep arguing this, if I wanted to draft in NY I could, no one is forcing me to go to Vegas. I want to be in Vegas, it's where the best of the best are drafting -- if you have a problem with that, I'm sorry. I'm not using it as the excuse why my team might be lacking in an area or two in the Auction, I'm using as an excuse to say that ALL the leagues in Vegas are tougher than the other venues, and there's zero doubt in my mind and anyone else that drafts in Vegas that this is true -- I can get into easier leagues for the Online Championship, but for the live drafts I'd rather play against and try to beat the best.

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Post by ALL-IN JD » Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:00 am

And we can agree to disagree (and i'm cool with that). I am not for one second saying that there aren't tremendous auction players in Vegas. But I know for fact that there are many drafting in NY as well. To win an auction (any auction) drafting from scratch, with no trades or keepers, you have to be damn good, in my humble opinion.

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Post by CALI CARTEL » Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:02 am

ALL-IN JD wrote:And we can agree to disagree (and i'm cool with that). I am not for one second saying that there aren't tremendous auction players in Vegas. But I know for fact that there are many drafting in NY as well. To win an auction (any auction) drafting from scratch, with no trades or keepers, you have to be damn good, in my humble opinion.
I agree, none of the leagues are "easy", 15 people who pay $800+ per team should have some decent idea what they are doing, no matter where they draft.

Good luck, we'll see how things shake out.

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