Live Scoring

[BK METS]

OK, so not to beat a dead horse, let me list the problems I have seen with live scoring, in a list (which is my favorite thing to do, as everyone knows) and anyone add to the list if they see something missing.

1) Live scoring for teams involved in doubleheaders does not work AT ALL, neither game, it doesnt keep track of the 1st game and then erase it for the 2nd game like ESPN. It shows nothing. It doesn't show you any stats at all for any of the hitters or pitchers in either game. I am not sure I can be any clearer - ZERO STATS FOR DOUBLEHEADERS

2) Slow draft stats are very erratic. Sometimes, stats don't show up at all, sometimes, only hitters show up, sometimes only pitchers show up. Most of the time, the stats are extremely slow

3) Stats do not show up for up to a minute, once the team is loaded, up to two minutes for pitchers. I can literally walk away from the computer, after loading my team, go to the bathroom, and come back, and the team is still not completely showing.

4) Unlike last year, there is no way to simply click on an opposing team to see what their stats are for the day... the only way this can be done is to scroll all the way to the bottom and scroll to the team, then wait the additional 1-2 minutes for their stats to appear below our teams stats.. by that time, I have lost interest

Anyone have anything to add?

[Cocktails and Dreams]

The programmers should pay close attention to sportsline and the closest that live scoring can be replicated, the better. RT sports isn't quite as "real time" as sportsline in updating, but is probably a much easier thing to replicate and is damn near perfect as well. Catching up with them in scoring and free agent inputting ease would be the main things to work on. Those are the only things preventing NFBC/NFFC from being an absolutely perfect place to play. They are minor in grand scheme of things and that is why it is frustrating they haven't been addressed by now.

[Steel Lugnuts]

That pretty much sums it up for me BK...I'm actually amazed there is no "test" team for Greg/Tom or the IT group to see what is or what is not happening with the scoring (or for any issues for that matter). Maybe there is no way to set this up in production, but would certainly help...although I think everyone has been pretty much clear as to the issues for the last month or so.

Question: Is "live" scoring also a problem during the football season? Or is this just a baseball issue?

[Steel Lugnuts]

The programmers should pay close attention to sportsline and the closest that live scoring can be replicated, the better. RT sports isn't quite as "real time" as sportsline in updating, but is probably a much easier thing to replicate and is damn near perfect as well. Catching up with them in scoring and free agent inputting ease would be the main things to work on. Those are the only things preventing NFBC/NFFC from being an absolutely perfect place to play. They are minor in grand scheme of things and that is why it is frustrating they haven't been addressed by now.

I agree with this, it's pretty amazing when your watching the live scoring on cbs sportsline, and as soon as the at bat or pitch is over, the scoring is updated instantly, it's insane. I moved from cbs this year and joined NFBC for the first time, and am pretty disappointed (as far as live scoring goes).

Don't think I'll be switching back to cbs for this reason however, the payouts are still the best around here at NFBC!

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Perhaps 12 people at Stats should play 3 football leagues this year or better yet 2nd half baseball. One at sportsline, one here and one at RT sports. Then they could get a first hand look at the differences in inputting free agents and the live scoring. If the programmers were among those playing, then they would have a hands on idea of what they are trying to fix. If they don't see a clear picture of what they are trying to replicate, it is hard to fix. You have to have a good idea of what you are fixing. And this might bet the best way to gain that understanding.

For the record, sportsline has flaws as well. The free agent system is a debacle and a half. But everyone could see what is right and wrong with each system by simply playing in a league there. Then it can be fixed.

[Hells Satans]

Good point, Chad.

I will say that the Sportsline FA system must have been designed by blind monkeys. It's unbearable.

[JEagle]

4) Unlike last year, there is no way to simply click on an opposing team to see what their stats are for the day... the only way this can be done is to scroll all the way to the bottom and scroll to the team, then wait the additional 1-2 minutes for their stats to appear below our teams stats.. by that time, I have lost interest


BKmets hit on my biggest issue.

[Gekko]

Greg,
Just so you are aware, there are those of us that don't have time or don't care to check live scoring. Personally, I've looked at live scoring all of 4 times in the past 5 years. I have no problem looking at box scores to get a glimpse of what my players have done.

[mlbbug]

Here is a different issue related to the live scoring problem already noted in numerous previous posts. Can we be assured that the stats that do not show up on live scoring(Doubleheaders,slow drafts,etc.) are actually being added to our teams total counting and ratio stats? It's one thing not to be able to see the stats on live scoring but I am wondering how we know that these stats don't just disappear .

[ToddZ]

Here is a different issue related to the live scoring problem already noted in numerous previous posts. Can we be assured that the stats that do not show up on live scoring(Doubleheaders,slow drafts,etc.) are actually being added to our teams total counting and ratio stats? It's one thing not to be able to see the stats on live scoring but I am wondering how we know that these stats don't just disappear .

The practical answer is common sense -- with all the feedback, do you really think that no one has checked to make sure their team's stats are correct?

The technical answer (Tom has explained this) -- there are TWO SEPARATE STAT FEEDS!! One fuels live stats the other the official standings.

The live stream is generated real time by stringers at the games, entering code into their laptop which gets sent at the speed of light to STATS who then feed it into the commissioner service.

The official stream goes through multiple levels of checks and balances, before it is released by the data collection service as "official". This separate feed is used for standings.

[Steel Lugnuts]

Here is a different issue related to the live scoring problem already noted in numerous previous posts. Can we be assured that the stats that do not show up on live scoring(Doubleheaders,slow drafts,etc.) are actually being added to our teams total counting and ratio stats? It's one thing not to be able to see the stats on live scoring but I am wondering how we know that these stats don't just disappear .

The practical answer is common sense -- with all the feedback, do you really think that no one has checked to make sure their team's stats are correct?

The technical answer (Tom has explained this) -- there are TWO SEPARATE STAT FEEDS!! One fuels live stats the other the official standings.

The live stream is generated real time by stringers at the games, entering code into their laptop which gets sent at the speed of light to STATS who then feed it into the commissioner service.

The official stream goes through multiple levels of checks and balances, before it is released by the data collection service as "official". This separate feed is used for standings.

Awesome...so can you give a "practical answer" as to why the live scoring doesn't work?

[ToddZ]

Awesome...so can you give a "practical answer" as to why the live scoring doesn't work?

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[Steel Lugnuts]

OK, that makes sense...Sooooo, if you can figure that out, why can't STATS?

[Steel Lugnuts]

Greg,
Just so you are aware, there are those of us that don't have time or don't care to check live scoring. Personally, I've looked at live scoring all of 4 times in the past 5 years. I have no problem looking at box scores to get a glimpse of what my players have done.

Hey Gekko, there's about 10,000 teams (or whatever it is), I'm sure Greg's aware that there are a "few" that feel the way you do, but that's not the point. In this day and age, you shouldn't have to wait until an e-mail shows up in the morning to see where you stand. When other lesser websites can figure it out, NFBC should as well.

NFBC is a high stakes league that claims to be the best at what they do, so far I haven't seen it. Then again, not much competition in fantasy baseaball for this type of payout...as of yet!

[ToddZ]

NFBC is a high stakes league that claims to be the best at what they do, so far I haven't seen it. Then again, not much competition in fantasy baseaball for this type of payout...as of yet!

Actually, this is not true. The plethora of daily games pose a greater threat to the NFBC than another yearly contest could possibly hope to imagine.

[Steel Lugnuts]

NFBC is a high stakes league that claims to be the best at what they do, so far I haven't seen it. Then again, not much competition in fantasy baseaball for this type of payout...as of yet!

Actually, this is not true. The plethora of daily games pose a greater threat to the NFBC than another yearly contest could possibly hope to imagine.

Not talking about daily games, you know what "high stakes" mean? There is nothing like what the NFBC offers, not sure why this is so hard to figrue out.

[Steel Lugnuts]

I'm starting to think that the NFBC has become so big, it's almost as though they are not able to keep up with growth and expectations. We're not talking about a bunch of single 10-team leagues like cbs sportsline, this is obviuosly way more complicated when you consider the grand scheme of things.

That being said, there is alot of money being paid into the NFBC, they need to figure it out and keep the masses updated as to the progress and make this work...which I'm pretty sure they will.

[ToddZ]

Not talking about daily games, you know what "high stakes" mean? There is nothing like what the NFBC offers, not sure why this is so hard to figrue out.

Are you aware of some of the payouts some of those contests are offering? They are most certainly of the high stakes variety.

My point is (sorry if this is so hard for you to figure out) that while there are many that can afford to play multiple contests here and elsewhere, there is a huge faction with just enough "disposable" income to enter one contest.

So if someone has not cashed enough to warrant continuing to play year after year, they may sate their fantasy appetite playing the daily games -- smaller entries, immediate reward - no concern about having a squad with five DL guys on reserve, etc.

There is a fixed amount of money that can be spent on contest of this nature, regardless of "the stakes". While there is obviously a new audience for these daily games, there is also most certainly a crossover audience.

THAT is much more of a long-term threat -- NFBC vets turning to the daily games.

Since one of the thrills of the daily games is the real-time aspect of it, one way to help defuse the migration is having that same nightly "thrill" here.

The irony is, on a personal level, I am a whole lot closer to Gekko on this, though I admit to peeking at the live scoring a few more times than him

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Are the daily games paying out higher percentages these days? Seems like a losing proposition if not. People playing for a lot know what they are doing and the cut is very large last I knew.

[ToddZ]

Are the daily games paying out higher percentages these days? Seems like a losing proposition if not. People playing for a lot know what they are doing and the cut is very large last I knew.

I don't know for sure, but I am guessing the rake is quite high.

As you can imagine, there are a ton of free entries, designed to have the winners roll their money back in -- I'm at the point where I can cash out and enter a slow draft here next season "on the house"

That said, the sort of person that might only be able to play one "overall" contest here may not be as concerned about the rake as those treating this as more of......an.....investment opportunity.

[G1AZM]

I could have sworn I watched Gavin Floyd pitching well tonight... I guess not, the game's been over for an hour or so and he doesn't show any stats.

[mlbbug]

I know what you mean. I've got Floyd on my Main Event roster and would love to see how his game helped my team's stats. I guess that's too technologically advanced for live scoring to be able too handle . Shouldn't have to rely on an email in A.M. for this info .

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Oh man that is a buzzkill. I wanted to see how he impacted some leagues as well. Was holding off until the end of the night to do so. Now just have to wait until the morning again. This is not acceptable.

[Money]

Oh man that is a buzzkill. I wanted to see how he impacted some leagues as well. Was holding off until the end of the night to do so. Now just have to wait until the morning again. This is not acceptable.

I have Floyd in a slow draft league, I saw his stats earlier and now they're not there.

Last year at a certain hour (late night east coast time) the stats became disoriented. I remember KJ having the answer to what was going on. I think it's happening again this year. The first blink of live scoring renders numbers in the total standings that are not accurate until some actual results finally load.

Greg & Tom, at this point you need to be at the forefront of this issue. Over communication needs to rule. You need to let everyone know what progress is being made to correct the live scoring. Daily updates would be a good thing, right now we have to guess if something is being done.

This is simply not right and has been allowed to be inadequate to long.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

That is a different issue. It occurs somewhere around an hour to two hours after the games are over usually. It is annoying as well but not a big deal as most normal people are in bed by then. It doubles up all the stats for the day so you still cannot get an accurate picture. That is not that big a deal though.

This involves a game randomly missing. No Royals and White Sox stats are showing up. Similar to the Bartolo Colon stats missing a couple weeks ago. About half the days something is going wrong to mess everything up. Doubleheader it is a lock to go wrong. If no doubleheader there is a chance. Not this day unfortunately.