Paul Konerko

[ChiScottieBaseball]

At home watching the Cubs game. Paul "Pauly" Konerko just got beaned in the forehead (bottom of the helmet area) by a Jeff Samardjza fastball and it was ugly. It's hard to tell if the ball got more of his head or the helmet. You never want to see anyone get hurt like this and hopefully he'll be ok, but he was taken out of the game...

[headhunters]

that was after he hit homer. just no class on jeff s part. hit him in the back or leg. konerko is a class act all the way. the cub is, was, and always will be, a punk. and i know a lot of cub fans will not like to hear any of that.

[Outlaw]

Humber just threw at Lahairs head and missed. Warnings issued... Some day something bad will happen with this idiotic unwritten rule. Not that it has'nt in the past (Paul blair, Tony conigliaro, etc), but when it does, Baseball will have no choice but to deal with it once and for all. The interent, the blogs, the media will force the changes needed. What changes or rules would it be? Whatever they are they will be harsh.

[ChiScottieBaseball]

I'm a Cubs fan but am also a baseball fan. I don't know what you mean by the punk comment. Are you referring to the players or the fans? As in anything, yes, there will be punks, but for the most part Cubs fans and it seems like the players are good people.

In retaliation, Humber tried to plunk Bryan LaHair but completely missed him. No one was thrown out of the game.

[Money Men]

that was after he hit homer. just no class on jeff s part. hit him in the back or leg. konerko is a class act all the way. the cub is, was, and always will be, a punk. and i know a lot of cub fans will not like to hear any of that.

but you call yourself headhunters

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Was either a 2-2 pitch or a full count. That doesn't help generate much credibility for this statement.

that was after he hit homer. just no class on jeff s part. hit him in the back or leg. konerko is a class act all the way. the cub is, was, and always will be, a punk. and i know a lot of cub fans will not like to hear any of that.

[DOUGHBOYS]

Humber just threw at Lahairs head and missed. Warnings issued... Some day something bad will happen with this idiotic unwritten rule. Not that it has'nt in the past (Paul blair, Tony conigliaro, etc), but when it does, Baseball will have no choice but to deal with it once and for all. The interent, the blogs, the media will force the changes needed. What changes or rules would it be? Whatever they are they will be harsh.

And who would you have punished?
Samardzjia, who throws a curve that looks like slipped out of his fingers and grimaces as Konerko is hurt?
Or would you punish Humber in retaliation? And MISSING?

What's YOUR remedy?

In my mind, it is part of the game.
As parents, we watch our kids getting hurt playing sports. We can't re-form rules so that it doesn't happen.
As umpires, they can't read minds on the intent of a pitch.
Knee jerk reaction is that Konerko got hit after a home run. I love Konerko and think he's one of the classiest guys in baseball. But a breaking ball on a 2-2 pitch?
It is why cooler heads usually prevail. Common sense should always be the order of the day.
Move on. Nothing to see here.

[headhunters]

i was talking about jeff the cub,not the fans. it is all my opinion and goes all the way back to his nd days. as usual ad hominem prevailed. he threw at pauls head- and hit it. of course he said it got away and how bad he felt. humber- if you draw a circle around lahairs head - like they do on golf telecasts- and watch where the pitch goes, it would not have hit him in the head. in fact- he threw a purpose pitch without trying to hit lahair. then the manager on the cubs gets mad- but the guy on the sox is hurt- not the guy on the cubs. headhunter= slang for executive recruiter. nothing to do with real headhunting. i can see how that looked. sorry.

[headhunters]

doughboys- i will look again- i have seen it 10 times- but did NOT look like a breaking ball at all. there was also a big argument in the sox dugout between peavy and aj- obviously over what to do. i pretty much knew you and i would disagree on this but everything is not timeless. sometimes things are wrong. saying "that is the way it has always been done" and lots of people are not in as good a spot today as they were 100 years ago- because the old way wasn't the right way. just my opinion- but i think he threw at his head and i think that" he just happened to have hit a homer" is very very weak.

[headhunters]

well- stone said it was a slider. ist time i saw it with sound. ball moved in- so it must have REALLY got away from him. stone knows 1000 times more about baseball than me - so i will stand corrected. still not in favor of throwing at guys heads- but that is obviously not the same as hitting a guy in the head.

[Outlaw]

Humber just threw at Lahairs head and missed. Warnings issued... Some day something bad will happen with this idiotic unwritten rule. Not that it has'nt in the past (Paul blair, Tony conigliaro, etc), but when it does, Baseball will have no choice but to deal with it once and for all. The interent, the blogs, the media will force the changes needed. What changes or rules would it be? Whatever they are they will be harsh.

And who would you have punished?
Samardzjia, who throws a curve that looks like slipped out of his fingers and grimaces as Konerko is hurt?
Or would you punish Humber in retaliation? And MISSING?

What's YOUR remedy?

In my mind, it is part of the game.
As parents, we watch our kids getting hurt playing sports. We can't re-form rules so that it doesn't happen.
As umpires, they can't read minds on the intent of a pitch.
Knee jerk reaction is that Konerko got hit after a home run. I love Konerko and think he's one of the classiest guys in baseball. But a breaking ball on a 2-2 pitch?
It is why cooler heads usually prevail. Common sense should always be the order of the day.
Move on. Nothing to see here.

Dough- and niether can you know a pitchers intent. A Homerun is hit and in the span of 1/2 hour 2 players are thrown at, one hit in the head, the other thrown at the head, but gets out of the way. Sorry no place for this crap anymore and thats my opinion. All I am saying is one day someone will get serioulsy hurt, it will be shown as more than likley payback or intentional and in this day and age the public and the press will demand a change and MLB will have no choice other than to make changes. I hate this "because its always been that way attitude" it should stay that way. As for what they will do, there will be many suggestions and ideas, but the pitcher will pay big. I sure hope no player ever dies from this stupid unwritten rule.

My son was a pitcher through college until an unfortuante accident. He threw in low 90's from about 17 on and was always a hard thrower early on. He loved pitching, but what I taught him about throwing at a hitter was this, you ever throw at a hitter intentionally, you will never pitch again and I will know. I taught him the how and why of throwing inside, the strategy of that, but never, ever throw at a hitter intentionally, or becuase a coach told you to, or a teamate told you to, or you felt you had to payback a hitter for getting a hit off you. He was fully aware that he could seriously hurt someone with how hard he threw. And for anyone that has never stood in batters box against 95, try it someday and and then think what if that had hit me in the face.

[DOUGHBOYS]

Humber just threw at Lahairs head and missed. Warnings issued... Some day something bad will happen with this idiotic unwritten rule. Not that it has'nt in the past (Paul blair, Tony conigliaro, etc), but when it does, Baseball will have no choice but to deal with it once and for all. The interent, the blogs, the media will force the changes needed. What changes or rules would it be? Whatever they are they will be harsh.

And who would you have punished?
Samardzjia, who throws a curve that looks like slipped out of his fingers and grimaces as Konerko is hurt?
Or would you punish Humber in retaliation? And MISSING?

What's YOUR remedy?

In my mind, it is part of the game.
As parents, we watch our kids getting hurt playing sports. We can't re-form rules so that it doesn't happen.
As umpires, they can't read minds on the intent of a pitch.
Knee jerk reaction is that Konerko got hit after a home run. I love Konerko and think he's one of the classiest guys in baseball. But a breaking ball on a 2-2 pitch?
It is why cooler heads usually prevail. Common sense should always be the order of the day.
Move on. Nothing to see here.

Dough- and niether can you know a pitchers intent. A Homerun is hit and in the span of 1/2 hour 2 players are thrown at, one hit in the head, the other thrown at the head, but gets out of the way. Sorry no place for this crap anymore and thats my opinion. All I am saying is one day someone will get serioulsy hurt, it will be shown as more than likley payback or intentional and in this day and age the public and the press will demand a change and MLB will have no choice other than to make changes. I hate this "because its always been that way attitude" it should stay that way. As for what they will do, there will be many suggestions and ideas, but the pitcher will pay big. I sure hope no player ever dies from this stupid unwritten rule.

My son was a pitcher through college until an unfortuante accident. He threw in low 90's from about 17 on and was always a hard thrower early on. He loved pitching, but what I taught him about throwing at a hitter was this, you ever throw at a hitter intentionally, you will never pitch again and I will know. I taught him the how and why of throwing inside, the strategy of that, but never, ever throw at a hitter intentionally, or becuase a coach told you to, or a teamate told you to, or you felt you had to payback a hitter for getting a hit off you. He was fully aware that he could seriously hurt someone with how hard he threw. And for anyone that has never stood in batters box against 95, try it someday and and then think what if that had hit me in the face.

So again, what is your remedy?

[Outlaw]

So again, what is your remedy?[/quote

I believe the NFL has started to address the penalties for intent to injure for players and coaches. As I've said, all it will take these days is one serious injury or a players career ending for it to get addressed.