Braun Suspended For Rest Of 2013 Season

[Outlaw]

Braun possibly Tied to Miami investigation... supposedly many more players may be inlvolved...

[swampass]

this is getting saucy!! if its true and he lied and got off from his 50 game suspension last season i think MLB should double down this season and give him 100 games. (Only if they determine that he was in fact a patient there though)

WOW... the credibility of braun and frankly the MLB is taking a big hit.

i just need all this news out and suspensions official by march 23rd!!

[Tom Kessenich]

What, if any, impact do you think this will have on his fantasy value? Greg and I will discuss this situation tomorrow on our Sirius show. The best responses here could get on the air so let us know what you think

[meanguy]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ryan-braun ... 50670.html

[Ando]

Not a surprise to me as the only reason he didn't serve 50 last year is because Pee Cup Boy didn't do a very good job at being Pee Cup Boy.

[Navel Lint]

WOW... the credibility of braun and frankly the MLB is taking a big hit.

Cheating players are getting caught. Ryan Braun was caught. Melky Cabrera was caught. Mota, Bryd, Colon; all caught and suspended last year.

For 2013, MLB will have the toughest drug testing in all of sport, including in-season HGH blood testing.

So while players will continually attempt to beat the system, I think the system is starting to win. I actually think MLB's credibility on the PED issue is the highest it's ever been.

[swampass]

"So while players will continually attempt to beat the system, I think the system is starting to win. I actually think MLB's credibility on the PED issue is the highest it's ever been."

i think thats an interesting point. i guess i was more saying how the media and masses will react. those in the know will realize your statement but in todays age id guess that the media will be stringing up braun any minute now with actual facts or without.. today its not about whats true, what matters is what "sells."

i really hope its not true, but at this point (as ando wrote) i think that the chances are slim and none. i think at this point the cheaters will continue to be one step ahead. if its not ground up deer antlers it will be crushed and minted monkey poo.

ps how does MLB's drug testing compare to the olympics?

[Tom Kessenich]

Braun's statement:

"During the course of preparing for my successful appeal last year, my attorneys, who were previously familiar with Tony Bosch, used him as a consultant. More specifically, he answered questions about T/E ratio and possibilities of tampering with samples.

"There was a dispute over compensation for Bosch's work, which is what my lawyer and I listed under 'moneys owed' and not on any other list.

"I have nothing to hide and have never had any other relationship with Bosch.

"I will fully cooperate with any inquiry into this matter."

[Outlaw]

MLB and all of sports have thier hands full. The PEDS and drug enhancements available now and in the future are 10 steps ahead of testing. Avoidance and the ability to not be detected is getting more and more sophisticated and the sports know it. The only way they are going to catch these guys in the future is big mouths, mistakes, following the money and lists like this. The genetic technology one day (soon) will be so far advanced and vitually non detectable, that it will be assumed everyone is going to be doing it. Braun was on a hit list of MLB, because they knew they caught him last year and he lawyered up big time and got off. There are a lot more names coming IMO...

[Outlaw]

What, if any, impact do you think this will have on his fantasy value? Greg and I will discuss this situation tomorrow on our Sirius show. The best responses here could get on the air so let us know what you think

High probability they give him the 50 games they felt he should have gotten last year. The other intriguing thing about this "Clinic" and the names so far is that if they let one of them off, they have to let them all off... Knowing they got Colon and Cabrera last year, probaly from treatments at this clinic, and seeing that the Yankees and MLC may finally want to be rid of AROD, they cannot take him down without every name that gets released being suspended. It also seems the names and players using go back to at least 2009...


I think his ADP drops fairly quickly if and until when a final finding comes out- good or bad for Braun.

[Tom Kessenich]

What, if any, impact do you think this will have on his fantasy value? Greg and I will discuss this situation tomorrow on our Sirius show. The best responses here could get on the air so let us know what you think

High probability they give him the 50 games they felt he should have gotten last year.

Unless there's another smoking gun about to surface it doesn't appear anything will happen to Braun since nothing in this report links him to PED usage. Plus his denial presents a reasonable explanation for why his name is appearing in the records. Again, we'll have to see if anything further emerges but it doesn't appear there's anything here in this report which should have Braun concerned about facing a suspension.

[swampass]

i dont know about no repercussions for braun. seems like some strange coincidences. he just happens to contact this doctor who just happens to be servicing other MLB players with PED's? how did he know to get in touch with this doctor? he just happened to over hear his name at college (u of miami) or in the locker room with the brewers?

are there no reputable doctors who are specialists in this field that dont supplement pro athletes? i smell a foul stench coming off of brauns statement.

[Outlaw]

High probability they give him the 50 games they felt he should have gotten last year.[/quote]

Unless there's another smoking gun about to surface it doesn't appear anything will happen to Braun since nothing in this report links him to PED usage. Plus his denial presents a reasonable explanation for why his name is appearing in the records. Again, we'll have to see if anything further emerges but it doesn't appear there's anything here in this report which should have Braun concerned about facing a suspension.[/quote]


Follow the money... supposedly 20k-30k in payments supposedly attributed to Braun or his lawyers. For what, for who, Why, when... Follow the money with any of these guys.... No exemplifies denial better than Armstrong and he had most convinced for over 10 years he didnt use.... the money trail did him in ultimately as well as loose lips....

[Tom Kessenich]

Follow the money... supposedly 20k-30k in payments supposedly attributed to Braun or his lawyers. For what, for who, Why, when...

Braun's answered all of that with his statement. Now whether he's telling the truth I don't know. But the explanation is reasonable. I admit my Brewers' bias here in hoping his statement is the truth. But I do think it's reasonable.

[Gekko]

"There was a dispute over compensation for Bosch's work, which is why my lawyer and I are listed under 'moneys owed' and not on any other list," Braun's statement said. "I have nothing to hide and have never had any other relationship with Bosch.

"I will fully cooperate with any inquiry into this matter."

BRAUN SKATES

[Navel Lint]

MLB and all of sports have thier hands full. The PEDS and drug enhancements available now and in the future are 10 steps ahead of testing. Avoidance and the ability to not be detected is getting more and more sophisticated and the sports know it. The only way they are going to catch these guys in the future is big mouths, mistakes, following the money and lists like this. The genetic technology one day (soon) will be so far advanced and vitually non detectable, that it will be assumed everyone is going to be doing it. Braun was on a hit list of MLB, because they knew they caught him last year and he lawyered up big time and got off. There are a lot more names coming IMO...

It’s true that PED’s are ahead of the testing. Genetic markers can be altered and the tests will only look for things it knows to look for.

However, MLB is also instituting what I believe they call “longitudinal testing” (or something that sounds like that). Each player will take a base-line test during Spring Training every year. This test will be used as a comparison for the random test taken during the season.


Obviously, when it comes to HGH testing, the randomness of the testing is the key. HGH only stays in your system for a finite period of time. If you know when the test is scheduled to take place (such as at the Olympics for Olympic athletes), it’s easier to implement your HGH regiment around that testing.

Now; we know the test will be random, but I’m not aware if they have announced whether players are subject to multiple tests, or only one test during the season. That will make a big difference.

In the end, with MLB’s new testing for 2013 (to which I credit both the owners and the union for coming to this agreement); I stand by the comment I made in an earlier post that MLB’s credibility on reducing/eliminating PED use has never been higher.

[Outlaw]

HGH has been around for 10 years and they are just getting a handle on testing for it and right now the evasion methods being used are still way ahead of the any testing out there. Where performance enhancemets are going is in Blood doping, Gene manipulation, DNA enhancement, and other even more complex medical enhancements. The big thing I see in the next 20 years are children being genetically changed before birth or right after. How do they deal with these super athletes that will be coming... To me its all disgusting and wrong, but when it all about money and fame it is amazing what people will do, including parents. Stealing signs were the good old days. Tradition and honest records are for the most part gone.

[Greg Ambrosius]

There's no doubt that this will be a big part of tomorrow's SiriusXM show. The fact that Braun is No. 1 on our ADP list has huge implications to a lot of you folks. Let's follow the trail on this and see where it leads us. If Braun's alibi doesn't pan out, he will look mighty foolish. Either way, in the court of public opinion he's guilty and his last two seasons are tarnished even if he is innocent. The whole Miami connection is scary for all of sports.

Give us some good one-liners about Braun and how you see his fantasy value going forward and if you think he will be suspended this year. We'll use 3 of them on the air tomorrow. Thanks all.

[Outlaw]

Give us some good one-liners about Braun and how you see his fantasy value going forward and if you think he will be suspended this year. We'll use 3 of them on the air tomorrow. Thanks all.

If one gets suspended, they all will get suspended. Baseball does not need an actual drug test to suspend and being that Melky already admitted he used, its not that far of reach to figure out where he got them from. If the clinic was above board and not doing anything wrong they would be out front saying so and they are not. Brauns value drops in the next draft for right now. anyone taking him in the first couple of rounds is betting he doesnt get suspended and doing so, having no facts as to what is true or not true regarding this mess.

anyone on the current list will have his ADP fall. The bigger question is how many more names and who are they and how long someone delays getting into a new draft.

I see big time changes coming in the penalties to try and stop this stuff.... 50 games does nothing. some where recently i read there were about 150 total suspensions in Major and minor ball the past 2 years, a number that surprised me when i saw it.

[rockitsauce]

Baseball does not need an actual drug test to suspend

Really? Then what type of evidence is legitimate? Who's word does MLB believe? They obviously didn't believe Piss Boy last yr or Bug Eyes would've gotten the 50 he deserved. Seriously, if an actual positive drug test is not needed than what IS the process by which they determine guilt or innocence now?

I have pk 14 in the upcoming Fri. night DC Express. Help me out here Outlaw

[Billyhaze]

I will be vary wary of PED list players. I do not spend big on risky players and will only draft them when my options are extremely limited.
I will also be scouring teams depth charts and possibly take a flier on SOME of the backups

[BK METS]

I don't believe any of these guys will get suspended unless they actually get tested positive. I cannot see how its possible. Being linked and being tested positive are 2 different things. Melky tested positive. Sure, it is pretty good evidence that they did something, but in reality, if Ryan Braun can get his suspension reversed like he did previoiusly, then anyone linked to this will not be suspended, but forever on the "did he take PEDS" list for future consideration into the hall of fame, where opinion and rumors DO matter. No smoking gun, no suspension.

[Gekko]

I dont follow the actual game of baseball like many of you do. Can someone post the name of any player suspended for PED use without testing positive? Thanks

[Daveclum]

I dont follow the actual game of baseball like many of you do. Can someone post the name of any player suspended for PED use without testing positive? Thanks

Jordan schafer in the minors.Minor league rule is different though.

[DOUGHBOYS]

I don't care if they're suspended or not.
From a fantasy perspective, these guys are branded. For this year, I can't think of Gio as the Starter who allowed the lowest batting average against last year.
And I can't think of Nellie Cruz as a possible 30/100 guy.
I now have to think of them as probable PED induced.
In America, you're innocent till proven guilty. It doesn't work that way in fantasy baseball.
Maybe Gio isn't the same pitcher this year. Maybe Cruz doesn't play in as many games. The threat of a 50 game suspension looms, and with it, possible future under performance or injury if PED's are stopped.
These players become that pond in the middle of the desert with a sign in front saying 'Don't Drink the Water'.
We can either drink and relieve our thirst or pass it by and search elsewhere.
I'll look somewhere else.