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Mariano gets credited a win instead of a save

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:40 am
by Rog
Was there any other reason other than ineffectiveness by robertson for this decision?

Re: Mariano gets credited a win instead of a save

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:11 am
by DOUGHBOYS
It happens seldom. The scorekeeper decides against giving the W to the pitcher that was in the game at the time of the go ahead run.
He felt Robertson did not deserve the Win and ruled accordingly.
For fantasy owners needing a Save from Rivera, a blow.
For fantasy owners of Rivera needing a win, a boon.

Re: Mariano gets credited a win instead of a save

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:42 pm
by Joe Sambito
Could he have given Huff the Win? Only Hughes is precluded from getting the win as the starter who did not go 5 innings. What would you have done Dan? (assuming you did not have Robertson in any of your fantasy lineups)

Re: Mariano gets credited a win instead of a save

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:06 pm
by DOUGHBOYS
I would have given Rivera the Win. But I'm not typical. Most scorekeepers would have given the Win to Robertson because that is 'by the book'.
I have a hard time rewarding a pitcher for a bad performance with a Win. And I have to admit that it probably stems from years of playing fantasy baseball.
I would not consider giving the W to Huff and don't even know if I could. Once the game is tied, I automatically think that every preceding pitcher is now 'off the hook' for a Win or loss.

Re: Mariano gets credited a win instead of a save

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:04 pm
by BK METS
First time in a LONG time that a guy wasn't credited with a win after pitching a full inning and was eligible for the win, no matter how many runs he gave up. I can see if Robertson didn't retire a batter and the only out was a caught stealing or a guy thrown out at home.. but Robertson did retire 3 batters.

Very strange scoring.. You won't see this again for a while.

Re: Mariano gets credited a win instead of a save

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:35 pm
by DOUGHBOYS
BK METS wrote:First time in a LONG time that a guy wasn't credited with a win after pitching a full inning and was eligible for the win, no matter how many runs he gave up. I can see if Robertson didn't retire a batter and the only out was a caught stealing or a guy thrown out at home.. but Robertson did retire 3 batters.

Very strange scoring.. You won't see this again for a while.
Potato, potatoe....you call it very strange scoring. I call it good scoring.

Re: Mariano gets credited a win instead of a save

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:10 pm
by DOUGHBOYS
'The official scorer shall not credit as the winning pitcher a relief pitcher who is ineffective in a brief appearance, when at least one succeeding relief pitcher pitches effectively in helping his team maintain its lead. In such a case, the official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher the succeeding relief pitcher who was most effective, in the judgment of the official scorer.

Rule 10.17(c) Comment: The official scorer generally should, but is not required to, consider the appearance of a relief pitcher to be ineffective and brief if such relief pitcher pitches less than one inning and allows two or more earned runs to score (even if such runs are charged to a previous pitcher). Rule 10.17(b) Comment provides guidance on choosing the winning pitcher from among several succeeding relief pitchers.'

This is the official rule.
To answer your question, Andy. No, Huff cannot be given the win.

Re: Mariano gets credited a win instead of a save

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:21 pm
by BK METS
DOUGHBOYS wrote:'The official scorer shall not credit as the winning pitcher a relief pitcher who is ineffective in a brief appearance, when at least one succeeding relief pitcher pitches effectively in helping his team maintain its lead. In such a case, the official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher the succeeding relief pitcher who was most effective, in the judgment of the official scorer.

Rule 10.17(c) Comment: The official scorer generally should, but is not required to, consider the appearance of a relief pitcher to be ineffective and brief if such relief pitcher pitches less than one inning and allows two or more earned runs to score (even if such runs are charged to a previous pitcher). Rule 10.17(b) Comment provides guidance on choosing the winning pitcher from among several succeeding relief pitchers.'

This is the official rule.
To answer your question, Andy. No, Huff cannot be given the win.
My point exactly... show me the last time a pitcher pitched a FULL inning and was in line to pick up the win, and was not credited for the win. Its been a long time, trust me. It is rare when it happens at all, but when it does, the pitcher retires one batter or none. He doesn't pitch a full inning. It just doesn't happen like this. I have neither player in any of my lineups, so it really didn't matter to me. According to Alias, only 3 times in the past 25 years, has a pitcher, who entered with a chance to get a save, was awarded a win and only 1 of those times, was it remotely parallel, back in 2001. This shouldn't have happened, no matter how much of a purist you are.

Re: Mariano gets credited a win instead of a save

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:59 pm
by DOUGHBOYS
And I believe it should, no matter how much you like to color inside the lines....
When a reliever is called into a game as late as Robertson was, and pitches as badly as Robertson did, they don't usually finish the inning, simply because the Manager finds reason to pull him before the inning is over.
This is the major reason why this doesn't happen much.
Just because it doesn't happen much is not a reason to fault the scorekeeping.