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Rog · Post by **Rog** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:52 pm

I am in first in my main 106 to 105 to 100
team 2 sitting with 105 can not be affected in anyway . he is locked at 105
team 3 can gain 2.5 points if all went his way
I can drop 1 point in average and 1 point in home runs
my average 2659
team in 11th 2658
my team hr's 240 home runs
team in 11th 238 home runs
kind of funny the only to categories i can be passed in is average and homeruns
and it is the 11th place team who is right behind me in both and he has Beltre/aj pierzynski/loney
Talk about not wanting to watch the game . I have joyce who probably isn't playing
Anybody else got any crazy scenarios like this?
NOT COMPLAINING BY ANY MEANS ,LET THE GAMES BEGIN

Rog · Post by **Rog** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:06 pm

in my OC I have a shot at moving up from second to 1st if team in 1st gets tied in wins and guess what he is tied with the team who has 1 of the starting pitchers . oh but wait that starting pitcher is on his bench. how fortunate

Money · Post by **Money** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:15 pm

Rog wrote:in my OC I have a shot at moving up from second to 1st if team in 1st gets tied in wins and guess what he is tied with the team who has 1 of the starting pitchers . oh but wait that starting pitcher is on his bench. how fortunate

You never know, there is still time....

The Mighty Men · Post by **The Mighty Men** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:55 pm

I had an insanely lucky day yesterday. As my baseball partner emailed to me yesterday, "U have a horseshoe up your ____".

I needed about 5 things to happen yesterday in order for me to have a chance at 1st place. They all happened. The craziest of all was that I was tied in K's and the guy I was trying to catch in 1st needed a save to lock up 1st. The Rangers were up 4-2 in the bottom of the 8th, so Nathan is CLEARLY heading for a save. My only pitching shot for getting 1 more K was Frieri, who entered in a non-save situation (that was lucky in and of itself). I first need Frieri to give up at least two runs, and then get a K. Unbelievably, he gives up a HR to Beltre, then another to Soto (of all people). Its 6-2 - no more save situation. Then he gets two K's. I gain 1/2 a point by moving into first in K's. Nathan comes in and does NOT get the save.

To make matters worse for the guy who lost the lead, I believe only 1 more hit this season would give him 1 more BA point and the league lead.

I'm sitting 1/2 a point in 1st right now. If Nathan gets the W or the save, I believe we tie at 116.

Bronx Yankees · Post by **Bronx Yankees** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:08 pm

I have multiple scenarios in multiple leagues at play tonight, so I won't bother detailing them, but did want to comment just how incredible it seems to have so many categories in so many leagues still in play at this point in the season. Just like regular baseball, although the games in September mean a lot, some of those decisions (good or bad) from April are coming back home to roost now. What I wouldn't give to take back one or two really bad pitching starts ....

Good luck everyone. I'm not sure what the TV ratings will be for tonight's game across the country, but I'm thinking the Neilsen ratings would be pretty bleeping high among NFBCers.

Mike

Sack · Post by **Sack** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:16 pm

Big Jack:

Price strikes out 14, but Nelson Cruz hits a 3 run Home Run in the bottom of the 8th. Nathan comes in
to close it out for your Save.

Still, I hate these xtra games with a passion. Doesn't seem fair. Good Luck

The Mighty Men · Post by **The Mighty Men** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:21 pm

Sack wrote:Big Jack:

Price strikes out 14, but Nelson Cruz hits a 3 run Home Run in the bottom of the 8th. Nathan comes in
to close it out for your Save.

Still, I hate these xtra games with a passion. Doesn't seem fair. Good Luck

Sorry, Ken, I wasn't clear. I'm up by 1/2 point.

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:22 pm

Probably just a few more.

Cocktails and Dreams · Post by **Cocktails and Dreams** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:01 pm

Had to sit Price tonight in a league to stay ahead in whip. I am 1 point ahead of third in a 12 teamer. 3rd place is one point back. He can gain a point in BA. He is .0002 behind only. I could gain half a point in Wins with a price win. But if I play price and his whip is higher than 1.12 I will lose the whip lead. Thought I was better off letting him try and get the BA flipped and share 2nd than gamble on price pitching to a 1.12 whip.

COZ · Post by **COZ** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:33 pm

The Mighty Men wrote:I had an insanely lucky day yesterday. As my baseball partner emailed to me yesterday, "U have a horseshoe up your ____".

I needed about 5 things to happen yesterday in order for me to have a chance at 1st place. They all happened. The craziest of all was that I was tied in K's and the guy I was trying to catch in 1st needed a save to lock up 1st. The Rangers were up 4-2 in the bottom of the 8th, so Nathan is CLEARLY heading for a save. My only pitching shot for getting 1 more K was Frieri, who entered in a non-save situation (that was lucky in and of itself). I first need Frieri to give up at least two runs, and then get a K. Unbelievably, he gives up a HR to Beltre, then another to Soto (of all people). Its 6-2 - no more save situation. Then he gets two K's. I gain 1/2 a point by moving into first in K's. Nathan comes in and does NOT get the save.

To make matters worse for the guy who lost the lead, I believe only 1 more hit this season would give him 1 more BA point and the league lead.

I'm sitting 1/2 a point in 1st right now. If Nathan gets the W or the save, I believe we tie at 116.

Nathan, apparently, was not so "mighty to Save." Good luck, Jack.

COZ

COZ · Post by **COZ** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:43 pm

God, I love all these scenarios still in play after all these games. So sick, it's beautiful. Makes me long to be in contention. You can't duplicate the year-end drama fantasy baseball provides. I may have to throw some "units"on the game just to generate that same "energy."

COZ

sek729 · Post by **sek729** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:36 pm

Yesterday and currently today, are the sickest 2 days in my fantasy life. I'll recap it all if I hang on tonight. But it has been nothing short of UNBELIEVABLE. Still in major doubt with 4 1/2 innings left.

Ando · Post by **Ando** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:43 pm

sek729 wrote:Yesterday and currently today, are the sickest 2 days in my fantasy life. I'll recap it all if I hang on tonight. But it has been nothing short of UNBELIEVABLE. Still in major doubt with 4 1/2 innings left.

After your whining session today and your dropping of the "Collusion Bomb", please post if you don't hang on as well. I would probably find that post to be more entertaining.

sek729 · Post by **sek729** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:46 pm

Just frustration boiling over after I went to bed with beers in me thinking I had it won. I apologize for that.

But there were literally 7 categories in flux yesterday when the 4PM games started. It came down to final AB in Dodgers game, after thinking it was over after that absurd photo finish, to find out it wasn't over was very... frustrating,

sek729 · Post by **sek729** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:51 pm

Well I hung on by the narrowest of margins. I'll recap my last two days tomorrow. I'd be surprised if anyone could top the drama/miracles I needed to win. I'm too tired and worn out emotionally to do it tonight. Sorry for the pissy mood today. It's just so incredibly stressful to be in the middle of one of these crazy finishes, and the worst of me came out.

chimpat · Post by **chimpat** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:20 pm

We needed a few things to happen tonight but as lucky as we got, we also got screwed. We were down 1.5 to tie for first and got two RBIs and a run, that actually got us the tie. The killer is that we would have won outright with one more run..... the run that Wil Myers should have scored on the trapped ball that was called an out. How in this day and age something like that is not called is truly amazing.

Don't get me wrong, thrilled to finish tied for first but would have been a sweet finish alone if the umps don't blow that call.

COZ · Post by **COZ** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:41 pm

sek729 wrote:Well I hung on by the narrowest of margins. I'll recap my last two days tomorrow. I'd be surprised if anyone could top the drama/miracles I needed to win. I'm too tired and worn out emotionally to do it tonight. Sorry for the pissy mood today. It's just so incredibly stressful to be in the middle of one of these crazy finishes, and the worst of me came out.

COZ

COZ · Post by **COZ** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:46 pm

chimpat wrote:We needed a few things to happen tonight but as lucky as we got, we also got screwed. We were down 1.5 to tie for first and got two RBIs and a run, that actually got us the tie. The killer is that we would have won outright with one more run..... the run that Wil Myers should have scored on the trapped ball that was called an out. How in this day and age something like that is not called is truly amazing.

Don't get me wrong, thrilled to finish tied for first but would have been a sweet finish alone if the umps don't blow that call.

WOW. That is what those in the biz call a "bad beat." Damn, that's beautiful in a bad-beat-kind-of-way. Thanks for sharing the misery. Congrats on the 1st place finish, I think.

COZ

sek729 · Post by **sek729** » Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:01 am

NC = Non Contender..

Batting Average - Had a 0.0002 lead going into last night over the 3rd place guy (who had virtually no chance to win on Monday, but he was very alive on Sunday). Maybe he coulda nabbed 2nd last night with some crazy luck. We had a crazy battle all day Sunday with a late Adam Eaton single safely securing me the edge (inwhich I thought the season was over lol).

Runs - Was in second place, and held a 5-run lead over the 2nd place/main competition at around 2:30pm yesterday and it all evaporated. He had about 4 more starters than me as Pedroia, Marte, and a couple other key players were given the day off or half-days. Guy went apeshit with Gerald Laird of all people. He had numerous opportunities in the D-Backs/Nats game to pick up 2 more runs that woulda TIED the 1st place guy in Runs and grab another half a point but just came up short with Prado and Parra. He led me by 1 run at the end of Sunday.

Home Runs - I was tied with the main competition going into Saturday in 9th place in HRs. He hit 1 to pull ahead of me and tied a NC in 8th place. He grabbed another half point on Sunday with a HR. I hit a power drought the entire weekend, along with the NC while I was rooting for several of the NC's players in the Sunday 4pm games to knock one out to salvage a half-point, to no-avail.

RBIs - Was one of the few categories not really in play for me Sunday, wedged in 7th place about 20 behind the next guy and 15 ahead of the 8th place. The main contender I battled with held a slim RBI lead going into Sunday that he exploded to a 10-RBI margin.

Stolen Bases - I was 3rd heading into last week and I made a ferocious run. I had 15 Stolen Bases, mostly thanks to Eric Young Jr (6), but two of my slugs, Jonathan Lucroy (3) and Jay Bruce (2) came out of the clouds to lift me from 3rd to first. Also Daniel Murphy was probably my most valueable player from where I had drafted him. His speed outburst was huge for me this year. I was 1 back of a NC going into Sunday and right off the bat, Young singled, and stole 2nd and 3rd base to put me ahead by ONE stolen base of the NC giving me a full-point I wasn't really expecting at all. Murphy added another to give me a two SB cushion after yesterday. (More on this below).

ERA - Wasn't really a category that was in play on Sunday, but it was one inwhich I had solid lead in all year until early-mid September when my starting pitching went to hell in a hand basket. I ended up getting third. I had a chance to move up to 2nd place heading into the weekend but that ended with Bronson Arroyo's terrible performance Saturday.

WHIP - The main contender battling me for first was in a fight to the death in WHIP with a NC.. The main contender held a slight lead with Jonathan Niese in his pocket, the NC had nobody. Niese NARRROWLY cost this poor guy a point in WHIP.. We're talking decimals in the 0.0005 range, but look at this.. This guy has Tampa lefty Jake McGee in his active roster.. Madden brings McGee into the bottom of the 6th vs the Jays, and he gets a fly ball and ground out. The main competition to my corner JUMPS BACK AHEAD IN WHIP above this NC... But what's this? Madden leaves McGee out there, he gets the first out of the 7th, but then a Single, Walk, and Double, and McGee and my main contender's WHIP point evaporates into thin air!! After the Sunday games, he had 1.185667 WHIP and the NC had 1.184226.

Strikeouts - I needed a good run and lots of luck to snatch a point in this category the final week. I was mid-pack and a NC I've been consistantly trailing by 8-12 Ks for most of the second half had two starters shut down this week (Sabathia and W.Peralta) that opened the door for me to snatch a point by 5 strikeouts.

Saves - I'm one who doesn't go overboard drafting closers, my strategy mostly consists of getting 2 or 3 cheap closers and draft set-up guys with potential to take over. This was a very early Draft Champions league and the only closer to come out of the woods this year for me was Steve Cishek who banged out 34 for me. I was sitting 12th in saves when suddenly Jason Grilli goes down and Mark Melancon rises!! Melancon bangs out a dozen or so filling in and I end up 7th in the category by a SINGLE SAVE. Thank goodness those last couple blown saves didn't come back to haunt me. The NC 1 save behind me only had Kimbrel. I was safely two saves up mid-week but the dude got a BS 7-out save from Jason Hammel earlier in the week that nearly made me throw up in my mouth. If he coulda found another save in the final weekend or I woulda dropped a 0.5 pt to a NC, good thing he didn't get the opportunity. Hammel was threatning to do the same thing again on Sunday but thankfully Buck brought Jim Johnson in for the 9th.

Wins - The hair-raising category. A massive blob of fantasy players from 4th to 10th seperated by 2-3 win throughout most of September. I had a lead in this category in August, then Scherzer, Minor, Strasburg hit a wall trying to get wins, it was brutal. I had about a 15 start stretch where I got only 1 win. I had Arroyo and Minor going Saturday as my last two starters, Arroyo got shelled and I desperately needed Mike Minor to win Saturday night, as my potential downside if he didn't was significant (1.5-2.5 pts). He failed and I went to bed frustrated, thinking I probably am going to end up 2nd or very possibly even 3rd. I woke up in the morning and what's this.. Marlins won in the 10th inning with my closer STEVE CISHEK getting the win. A miracle win pulled out of my ass! There were still multiple teams that had starters left that could have snagged 0.5, 1.0, or 1.5 points from me on Sunday. There was a non-contender that was 1 win behind me, he had Ubaldo Jimenez going and he won with ease, now tied with me at 94 wins, he had Wade Miley against a horrid Nationals lineup. Trailing 1-0, the Nats retook the lead 2-1 Top 6th. Now Miley pitches Top 7th, get thru 1-2-3. Bottom 7th, Arizona loads the bases with 1 out thanks to an Anthony Rendon error, Tanner Roark battles and gets two outs, including the pinch-hitter for Miley! A massive hold of the 0.5 point, at this point Sunday evening, I'm holding 0.5 point lead and it looks incredibly difficult for anything to happen that would upset that.

There's no more wins out there!! I'm going to hold that 0.5 point lead.. Right? Right? NOT SO FASSTT.. I scan this NC's roster again and what do I see.. Kenley Jansen and Carlos Marmol staring right at me with the Dodgers trailing 2-1 to the Rockies in the 7th inning. I was actually fearing Marmol. No way Donny Baseball is going to use his prime closer in a meaningless game here is he? WRONG!!! Jansen pitches the top of the 9th and the Dodgers can win it and steal the critical 1/2 point from me forcing a split-title! Rex Brothers is in, and suddenly it's BASES LOADED 1 OUT!!! You gotta be kidding me. I have Bonnie Tyler's "Holding Out For A Hero" cranked up playing on Spotify (not making this up!!). Tim Federowicz? STRIKE OUT! Skip Schumaker? STRIKE OUT!! I WIN! I WIN THE LEAGUE!! CHAMPPPPIONNNSS!! I'm running around the house like a chicken with its head cut off. My girlfriend looking at me like I'm a god damn mental patient.

I head out and get several 6-packs of the good stuff.. Franziskaner Weissbier and Hoegaarden and celebrate the night away.

Monday morning, I get on. Check out the NFBC forums to see what everyone's talking about. Hmm, what's this "Tie Breaker-Do the stats count?? Can we set rosters??" thread here. What? What?! WHAT?!?!.. it's not not computing. I scramble to check the rosters to see who has what left..

The main contender has NOBODY. Whew. Thank goodness, let's see these other fringe battles going on..

The NC who was in the critical 0.0014 WHIP battle against the main contender has David Price going!!! THAT David Price, the one who walks out of Arlington with a bloody lip and black eye everytime he goes in!
The guy trailing me in batting average by 0.0002 has 3 guys in his lineup! I quickly calculate the numbers and if they go 5 for 12, I'm probably buried!
The guy trailing me in stolen bases by 2 has Ian Kinsler AND Elvis Andrus in his lineup

I have a potential saving grace. I have Yunel Escobar while trailing the main contender by 1 run, a pickup there would net a full point that would save me from losing a point in either BA or the main contender gaining a point in WHIP. Price giving up >8 Walks+Hits in 5 IP, or >9 Walks+Hits in 6 IP gives the main contender a point in WHIP.

The hairyness starts right off the bat. The guy chasing me in Batting Average gets a leadoff single from Desmond Jennings (who runs into an out at 2nd but the single obviously counts). Then there's David Price walking Elvis Andrus.. Good god. PICK OFF!!! There's one rush for the night! Bottom 3rd... Gentry lead off single, Kinsler 1-out single.. UGH. Currently sitting at 4 WH in 2 1/3 and a stolen base threat on 1st.. Is this where it blows up??? Andrus pops out! Kinsler PICKED OFF!! WHOOOSH.. Price finally settled down a little, had a clean 4th inning and never got much out of line of 1.00 WHIP the rest of the way, but this roller coaster isn't over yet.

I need the run from Escobar to end the drama, but he starts 0 for 2. Thankfully the 3 guys who are chasing me in batting average, went very quietly into the night after that leadoff single from Jennings. Batting Averge never got much of a threat since that first hit, and I ended up opening a 0.00045 lead there as the NC's guys went 1 for 11.

Drama back on. Andrus singles in the 6th and swipes second base. The non-contender trails me by 1 SB that would force a split-title. Bottom 8th. Here they come. Kinsler up.. ROPES IT.. Thank god, a DOUBLE. No way Ron would send him to steal 3rd down 2. An Elvis Andrus single here would be DEVASTATING. If he gets on, he's the tying run, there's no way they aren't sending him. A Bunt!!! Oh god, tough frickin play... but DAVID PRICE WITH THE GLOVE SCOOP AND FLIP!!!!!!!!! My championship was won on that play!! If he doesn't make that there's a damn good chance I am splitting the title. A let out a huge roar and start celebrating again with what little energy I have left. The only bugaboo remaining was if it happened to go into extra innings they'd get another crack to steal, but thankfully Price just ended it quietly!

Yeah, how did your final fantasy week go?

JohnP · Post by **JohnP** » Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:11 am

oh man...that is awesome. Thanks for sharing. What a weird group we all are

! There just is nothing like fantasy baseball. Congrats!

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Tue Oct 01, 2013 8:03 am

Cocktails and Dreams wrote:Had to sit Price tonight in a league to stay ahead in whip. I am 1 point ahead of third in a 12 teamer. 3rd place is one point back. He can gain a point in BA. He is .0002 behind only. I could gain half a point in Wins with a price win. But if I play price and his whip is higher than 1.12 I will lose the whip lead. Thought I was better off letting him try and get the BA flipped and share 2nd than gamble on price pitching to a 1.12 whip.

There sure seems like there were a lot of tough decisions and strategies made last night from posts on this thread, just like there are for every period in the NFBC. Chad's post above seems like an example of giving NFBC owners the power to make their own decisions in this final regular season game. Would it have been fair or right for his lineup to have been locked for this extra period when he wanted to make a decision on his own starting lineup? We don't lock lineups for the Sunday opening game.

I don't mind the debate on whether lineups should be part of Week 26 or not, but you can definitely see the other side of not allowing owners to take out players if they want. Not everyone wants those stats. Heck, some guys who smartly put in Nelson Cruz last night may have lost a bit in batting average and same with other hitters. Or their pitchers got rocked. But forcing owners to use those players will create the same ruckus on these boards as we're seeing now.

Again, with two wild card spots now in each league we're probably going to see 163rd games more often. We feel it's part of the regular season as MLB has stated forever and should be included, not much different from football teams benefitting from overtime games and getting additional stats. As Todd astutely pointed out, not all MLB teams play the same amount of innings as is. The question is whether lineups should be locked from the week before for these games and we see as many problems there as answers.

Now back to announcing the 2013 overall champs!!

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue Oct 01, 2013 8:13 am

Greg Ambrosius wrote:
Cocktails and Dreams wrote:Had to sit Price tonight in a league to stay ahead in whip. I am 1 point ahead of third in a 12 teamer. 3rd place is one point back. He can gain a point in BA. He is .0002 behind only. I could gain half a point in Wins with a price win. But if I play price and his whip is higher than 1.12 I will lose the whip lead. Thought I was better off letting him try and get the BA flipped and share 2nd than gamble on price pitching to a 1.12 whip.
There sure seems like there were a lot of tough decisions and strategies made last night from posts on this thread, just like there are for every period in the NFBC. Chad's post above seems like an example of giving NFBC owners the power to make their own decisions in this final regular season game. Would it have been fair or right for his lineup to have been locked for this extra period when he wanted to make a decision on his own starting lineup? We don't lock lineups for the Sunday opening game.

I don't mind the debate on whether lineups should be part of Week 26 or not, but you can definitely see the other side of not allowing owners to take out players if they want. Not everyone wants those stats. Heck, some guys who smartly put in Nelson Cruz last night may have lost a bit in batting average and same with other hitters. Or their pitchers got rocked. But forcing owners to use those players will create the same ruckus on these boards as we're seeing now.

Again, with two wild card spots now in each league we're probably going to see 163rd games more often. We feel it's part of the regular season as MLB has stated forever and should be included, not much different from football teams benefitting from overtime games and getting additional stats. As Todd astutely pointed out, not all MLB teams play the same amount of innings as is. The question is whether lineups should be locked from the week before for these games and we see as many problems there as answers.

Now back to announcing the 2013 overall champs!!

You're actually making the point for the other side, Greg.
Chad had the power to decide to play Price or not. He could use an 'extra' player to his advantage. An advantage that he has over other teams not in that position.
I did the same thing with Ogando last night. I benched him because he could do me harm instead of good.
If rules were in place to prevent that, then tough for Chad and tough for me.
Teams can play less innings than other teams or more, those teams do not get a special period to set lineups.
Playoff games should be treated the same way.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Tue Oct 01, 2013 8:32 am

That's your opinion Dan. You want us, the NFBC, to force you owners who to play in this final game of the regular season. That's not our job. Yes, some owners had players in a 163rd game. It's how MLB runs their league. Some owners get extra at-bats in 18-inning games, etc. It happens. But telling the NFBC we MUST force all owners to start the same lineup in a new period again, in our opinion, will cause more harm than good.

And when you say "then tough for Chad and tough for me" you are speaking on behalf of everyone. Yet not everyone wants a "then tough for Chad" experience from what I can tell from the varied posts about this subject.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue Oct 01, 2013 8:42 am

Greg Ambrosius wrote:That's your opinion Dan. You want us, the NFBC, to force you owners who to play in this final game of the regular season. That's not our job. Yes, some owners had players in a 163rd game. It's how MLB runs their league. Some owners get extra at-bats in 18-inning games, etc. It happens. But telling the NFBC we MUST force all owners to start the same lineup in a new period again, in our opinion, will cause more harm than good.

And when you say "then tough for Chad and tough for me" you are speaking on behalf of everyone. Yet not everyone wants a "then tough for Chad" experience from what I can tell from the varied posts about this subject.

You're not 'forcing' players to play anybody. Each player knows a week beforehand if that team has a chance for the playoffs and assume the risks as they do with all players starting.
Giving them carte blanche to move players for one game is a HUGE advantage over others.
In real baseball, it is an extension of the season, not a new phase.
Just my opinion.

sek729 · Post by **sek729** » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:01 am

Agree. 100% with Doughboys. At the minimum, the rule should be consistant year to year. If next year the season ends on Wednesday and Game 163 is Thursday, it'll be totally different setup. Game 163 is special circumstance and the comparison to it being an extra innings game is silly to me. It's an unscheduled game. It either needs to be involved in its own scoring period EVERY YEAR or be mixed with the final scoring period EVERY YEAR, regardless of what day it falls on.

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