Looking For Feedback On Ultimate & Diamond Prizes

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Looking For Feedback On Ultimate & Diamond Prizes

Post by Greg Ambrosius » Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:59 pm

If we are going to offer a Diamond Auction League to go along with our Diamond Draft League, then we should consider another discussion on the prizes for that format. I will send out an email to the past players this week to spur on the discussion, but if there are new players out there who want to join this format here is a good place to add your thoughts.

Currently in the NFBC Diamond League, we pay down four spots. Why? Because the folks who first signed up for the Diamond League felt it would keep more teams competitive and in the hunt for prize money. At this entry level, that's important. So we give money back -- $10,000 -- to the 4th place team. Should we continue that or not? I know several people like that payout structure and some others have asked to change it. Here is our best chance to discuss it.

The payout for the Diamond League the last five seasons has been this:

Diamond Prize Table
Place League
1st - $75,000
2nd - $35,000
3rd - $20,000
4th - $10,000

Now, we could easily do it this way:

Diamond Prize Table
Place League
1st - $80,000
2nd - $40,000
3rd - $20,000

Or even this way:

Diamond Prize Table
Place League
1st $100,000
2nd $30,000
3rd $10,000

Let us know what you think. It's a good time to have this discussion before Registration opens. Have at it.

I think we will make a change in the NFBC Ultimate Draft and Auction prize structure as well. Right now we have it as:

Ultimate Prize Table
Place League
1st $40,000
2nd $17,500
3rd $10,000

I'm not quite sure why we emphasized third place so much in this format, but I'm strongly considering changing this to:

Ultimate Prize Table
Place League
1st $40,000
2nd $20,000
3rd $7,500

And is there any discussion on the Platinum prize structure? The $200,000 is the big carrot in this format, but a few owners asked if we were too top heavy. I'm open to any feedback here, but right now we have the prizes for this contest the same as we had last year, which was:

Platinum Prize Table
Place League
1st $200,000
2nd $60,000
3rd $25,000

Thoughts? We are looking for any and all feedback on these three contests. Thanks all.
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Re: Looking For Feedback On Ultimate & Diamond Prizes

Post by mdecav » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:13 pm

To keep it simple, for any contests that pay the top three (whether a main event, ultimate, super, etc.) why not keep the percentage the same at 1st/2nd/3rd?

Also, I'm in favor of top 4 for the diamond auction.

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Re: Looking For Feedback On Ultimate & Diamond Prizes

Post by Greg Ambrosius » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:37 pm

mdecav wrote:To keep it simple, for any contests that pay the top three (whether a main event, ultimate, super, etc.) why not keep the percentage the same at 1st/2nd/3rd?

Also, I'm in favor of top 4 for the diamond auction.
We do for the most part, but when it comes to these private leagues there is more of an emphasis on increasing the top league prize. That's coming from the participants, the ones who enter knowing they are going to take that league down!! I will set it up as requested by those participants, which is how we came to paying off four spots in the Diamond when we started that league in 2010.
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Re: Looking For Feedback On Ultimate & Diamond Prizes

Post by Texas Connection » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:53 pm

I would vote for Payout of top 4. How about penalty for finishing last? 15th place pays 5th $5,000. That would keep everybody fighting until the end! Sign me up for diamond auction. Make sure Brady is the auctioneer.

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Re: Looking For Feedback On Ultimate & Diamond Prizes

Post by KJ Duke » Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:30 pm

If you want more players to fight it out until the end ... add lesser prizes that come out of what is now 4th place money. This effectively penalizes the bad teams without touching the top 3.

1st • $75,000
2nd • $35,000
3rd • $20,000
4th • $5,000
5th • $2,500
6th • $1,500
7th • $1,000

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Re: Looking For Feedback On Ultimate & Diamond Prizes

Post by Hells Satans » Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:35 pm

Ugh. Just pay Top 3 like you do everywhere else. This isn't little league.

Take away the 4th place $10k and give it to 1st place, making it $85k.

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Re: Looking For Feedback On Ultimate & Diamond Prizes

Post by King of Queens » Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:09 pm

1. Winner take all
2. Pay top 3
3. KJs idea to split up 4th place to 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th
4. Everything else

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Re: Looking For Feedback On Ultimate & Diamond Prizes

Post by jblume33 » Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:10 pm

I like $10,000 for fourth place for the diamond auction. Does first or second place really feel the extra $5,000 in their pocket? The impact is not as much as fourth place getting $10,000 back. I am guessing it would help it fill up quicker but with this group maybe means absolutely nothing.

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Re: Looking For Feedback On Ultimate & Diamond Prizes

Post by MadCow Sez » Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:49 pm

I'm a fan of paying 4 places in Diamond leagues...adds to their character
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Re: Looking For Feedback On Ultimate & Diamond Prizes

Post by BK METS » Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:16 pm

I like paying top 3 only, in all leagues. I suppose I am probably in the minority, but furthermore, I think 3rd place should just pay back the entry fee and maybe a bit more. The rest should be the top 2. I was not in the Platinum league but I LOVE the payout structure. Keeping that percentage should be the norm, in my opinion.

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Re: Looking For Feedback On Ultimate & Diamond Prizes

Post by pbgallag » Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:56 pm

I think the Diamond pay structure of:

Diamond Prize Table
Place League
1st - $75,000
2nd - $35,000
3rd - $20,000
4th - $10,000


is just right and shouldn't change.

Platinum is too top heavy. Should be more like Diamond

Agree with changing Ultimate to:

Ultimate Prize Table
Place League
1st $40,000
2nd $20,000
3rd $7,500

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Re: Looking For Feedback On Ultimate & Diamond Prizes

Post by BK METS » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:32 am

Diamond league prize breakdown:

$100,000
$30,000
$10,000

Similar structure to the Platinum. Putting up $10,000 to win $75,000 vs 14 other opponents is not good enough for a private league, in my opinion. Winning this league is a huge accomplishment and winner should reap the benefits. Paying 4th place is not necessary.

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Re: Looking For Feedback On Ultimate & Diamond Prizes

Post by Hells Satans » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:50 am

BK METS wrote:Diamond league prize breakdown:

$100,000
$30,000
$10,000

Similar structure to the Platinum. Putting up $10,000 to win $75,000 vs 14 other opponents is not good enough for a private league, in my opinion. Winning this league is a huge accomplishment and winner should reap the benefits. Paying 4th place is not necessary.
I couldnt agree more. :D

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Re: Looking For Feedback On Ultimate & Diamond Prizes

Post by ALL-IN JD » Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:00 am

+1

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Re: Looking For Feedback On Ultimate & Diamond Prizes

Post by Greg Ambrosius » Wed Nov 19, 2014 8:27 am

BK METS wrote:Diamond league prize breakdown:

$100,000
$30,000
$10,000

Similar structure to the Platinum. Putting up $10,000 to win $75,000 vs 14 other opponents is not good enough for a private league, in my opinion. Winning this league is a huge accomplishment and winner should reap the benefits. Paying 4th place is not necessary.
Just my opinion, but I think when 13 of 15 owners don't make money it makes it tough for this format to succeed long-term. It's a great one-year league and maybe it continues this way for years to come, but even after the Platinum last year I heard from folks who didn't win and those who did win that they felt the prize structure was too top heavy. Heck, it might have even contributed to the stress of the stretch run. I'm not saying that prize pool is wrong because it's a special, special league, but it certainly is harder now to fill the Platinum in Year 2 than it was in the Diamond each year after we paid down four spots.

I will definitely email all 15 owners in the Diamond Auction for feedback and I've gotten plenty of feedback already and will gladly offer three prize options. We'll go with the majority, even if we need to narrow the options to two and do a second vote, and go forward from there. But I do think more winners brings back more participants year after year and sustains the contest going forward. Again, just my opinion from what I've seen as a game operator.
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