450 Teams In The 2015 NFBC Main Event

[Greg Ambrosius]

Seeing KJ's and Glenn's prize structures now, I like their ideas better. I would suggest eliminating the 11th place award and sprinkle that in as well.

COZ

We're not eliminating 11th after adding 30 more teams, that's for sure. If anything, we'll pay one more spot in the overall if we decide to go with prizes there.

[Glenneration X]

You're right. Why do I even ask you sonofabitches for thoughts anymore!! All it does is get me grief from all sides.

I try to pay more people and there's grief to be had. The non-Chum Chum Club guys who want more prizes paid to more people don't dare set foot with their thoughts on this thread or they get shot down. So we listen to the sharks who want more at the top. I get it.

My bad for asking. I'll just make a damn decision next time. Same for the other contests.

Sharks? I'm guessing you couldn't have been including me in this description or you must not have seen some of the starts of my Gomez/Gomes/Mesoraco/Wright/Holland/Cecil/Hawkins/etc/etc filled disasters of squads this year.

That aside, I believe this has nothing to do with Chum Chum clubs or illuminati vs the common man or the silent majority, etc etc. What it has to with is the simple dynamic of an Overall contest.

The league prizes the NFBC offers for its Main Event are already more than fair. Its ratio of paying 4x/2x/1x the cost of entry to 1st/2nd/3rd in league is well within industry standard and often better than what you'll see elsewhere. If players prefer even better league prizes, that's why Diamonds, Ultimates, Supers, and Satellites exist.

This is an Overall contest where you need to beat out 424 other tough players and Massotto to finish 5th. That deserves the extra significant reward rather than giving a few extra shekels to the guy that beat out 12 others for 3rd. He's already being compensated fairly.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Guess I was the only non-chum chum club guy to respond

A 3 out of 15 chance to get some of that added $500 in each league still sounds good to me. I still vote conservative and I'll take my 20 percent chance to win a little extra.

You're in the Chum Chum Club, Rich. You just don't know it.

[ALL-IN JD]

You're right. Why do I even ask you sonofabitches for thoughts anymore!! All it does is get me grief from all sides.

I try to pay more people and there's grief to be had. The non-Chum Chum Club guys who want more prizes paid to more people don't dare set foot with their thoughts on this thread or they get shot down. So we listen to the sharks who want more at the top. I get it.

My bad for asking. I'll just make a damn decision next time. Same for the other contests.

Sharks? I'm guessing you couldn't have been including me in this description or you must not have seen some of the starts of my Gomez/Gomes/Mesoraco/Wright/Holland/Cecil/Hawkins/etc/etc filled disasters of squads this year.

That aside, I believe this has nothing to do with Chum Chum clubs or illuminati vs the common man or the silent majority, etc etc. What it has to with is the simple dynamic of an Overall contest.

My neighbor is 100% spot on!

The league prizes the NFBC offers for its Main Event are already more than fair. Its ratio of paying 4x/2x/1x the cost of entry to 1st/2nd/3rd in league is well within industry standard and often better than what you'll see elsewhere. If players prefer even better league prizes, that's why Diamonds, Ultimates, Supers, and Satellites exist.

This is an Overall contest where you need to beat out 424 other tough players and Massotto to finish 5th. That deserves the extra significant reward rather than giving a few extra shekels to the guy that beat out 12 others for 3rd. He's already being compensated fairly.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Well, you could easily add $450 to each league and make it:

1st Place - $6,750
2nd Place - $3,300
3rd Place - $1,700
And add a 12th Place Overall for $1,500.

Or you could increase 2nd-10th Overall to:

1st Place - $125,000
2nd Place - $35,000
3rd Place - $25,000
4th Place - $12,500
5th Place - $8,000
6th Place - $5,500
7th Place - $3,500
8th Place - $2,500
9th Place - $2,000
10th Place - $1,750
11th Place - $1,600

I always ask first because I respect your opinions and because this is YOUR contest. Nobody will ever agree on everything and I try to spread the wealth to as many people as possible. But I do agree, people are playing for the overall prizes here and if we want to add to that prize pool we certainly can. I'll finalize this after a few beers tonight!! It's actually spring here today. Thanks all.

[KJ Duke]

Yeah Greg, I know you can't eliminate paying 11th overall after the initial prize table had them in there, but for future years please focus on that Top 10 !!!

Top 10 is an accomplishment, pay up ... 11th and 12th, nice try enjoy your league prize.

p.s. ... and this is coming from someone who has been one or two spots away from prize money about a hundred times

[Greg Ambrosius]

Yeah Greg, I know you can't eliminate paying 11th overall after the initial prize table had them in there, but for future years please focus on that Top 10 !!!

Top 10 is an accomplishment, pay up ... 11th and 12th, nice try enjoy your league prize.

p.s. ... and this is coming from someone who has been one or two spots away from prize money about a hundred times

Trust me, I've heard from the 12th place owner most every year. I'm not worried about that entry for the next year going to that owner, who did accomplish something. I have no problem going Top 11, 12 or even 15 in future years. Sorry.

[KJ Duke]

Yeah Greg, I know you can't eliminate paying 11th overall after the initial prize table had them in there, but for future years please focus on that Top 10 !!!

Top 10 is an accomplishment, pay up ... 11th and 12th, nice try enjoy your league prize.

p.s. ... and this is coming from someone who has been one or two spots away from prize money about a hundred times

Trust me, I've heard from the 12th place owner most every year. I'm not worried about that entry for the next year going to that owner, who did accomplish something. I have no problem going Top 11, 12 or even 15 in future years. Sorry.

Top 10 is special and under-paid.

Of course the guy that missed by one spot will bitch ... if you pay 12, then 13th will complain, if you pay 15 then 16th will complain. That's natural, but it's just one guy out of 450, and there will be one guy each year no matter how many spots you pay.

[knuckleheads]

On second thought, 2nd place is underpaid. I'd add the money only to 2nd, 4th, and 5th.

1st - $125,000
2nd - $40,000
3rd - $20,000. (No change, F 3rd place.)
4th - $12,500
5th - $10,000

Top five wins at least 10 grand.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Any way is fine by me, with a lean to putting it in the overall pool somehow. That could mean something like Glenn suggested or paying as many as 20 people something. I believe I have an equal chance of any decision being a positive or a detriment.

If you wanted to get even more creative you could give the 2nd place finishers in leagues with the 5 or top overall teams an extra chunk since harder for them to win a league. But pry more complicated than it needs to be.

[Yah Mule]

This is an Overall contest where you need to beat out 424 other tough players and Massotto to finish 5th. That deserves the extra significant reward rather than giving a few extra shekels to the guy that beat out 12 others for 3rd. He's already being compensated fairly.

I'm good with whatever, but this was some quality baiting right here.

[Bronx Yankees]

Please forget the bumping of the league prizes idea. The league prizes are perfect as is. Bump 2-10 for the Overall. If you want to add a 12th place prize, I'm fine with that. I'm also fine with just keeping it top 10 as KJ suggested as well and bumping those spots even more.

PS... Will you be following up with the revised prize structures for the Rotowire OC and DC Championships as well?

Looking at it a little closer, just bump 2-5....

1st - $125,000
2nd - Bump from $30,000 to $35,000
3rd - Bump from $20,000 to $25,000
4th - Bump from $10,000 to $12,500
5th - Bump from $7,500 to $10,000
6th - $5,000
7th - $3,000
8th - $2,000
9th - $1,750
10th - $1,600
11th - $1,600

That looks fine to me. Reward those who most earned it and narrow some of the disparity between those who won it all and those who just missed out.

After reviewing this thread, I think I would cast my vote for Glenn's suggested payout. Given that it previously was announced that the top 11 would be paid, I do not think you can eliminate the 11th place prize. After that, I think the two biggest spots warranting supplemental prize money are: (1) 2nd place, because while the difference between 1st place and 2nd place should be large, $125,000 to $30,000 seems too large; and (2) 5th place, for no other reason than if you can finish in the Top 5 out of 450 teams in the Main Event, the prize should be in the "five digits." Given those adjustments, the suggested bump ups to 3rd and 4th place seem reasonable to me.

Ironically, although I thought I would lean towards higher league payouts when this post started, seeing the very small bump ups that approach would result in suggests to me that it would be better to implement more meaningful increases in a few of the overall prizes that perhaps need it the most.

Mike

[mattjb]

I'd give it all to 2nd place.

[Red Sox Nation-]

Well, you could easily add $450 to each league and make it:

1st Place - $6,750
2nd Place - $3,300
3rd Place - $1,700
And add a 12th Place Overall for $1,500.

Or you could increase 2nd-10th Overall to:

1st Place - $125,000
2nd Place - $35,000
3rd Place - $25,000
4th Place - $12,500
5th Place - $8,000
6th Place - $5,500
7th Place - $3,500
8th Place - $2,500
9th Place - $2,000
10th Place - $1,750
11th Place - $1,600

I always ask first because I respect your opinions and because this is YOUR contest. Nobody will ever agree on everything and I try to spread the wealth to as many people as possible. But I do agree, people are playing for the overall prizes here and if we want to add to that prize pool we certainly can. I'll finalize this after a few beers tonight!! It's actually spring here today. Thanks all.

I much prefer the money going to the overall. The league prizes would go up $250-$100-$100 (1st-2nd-3rd) in your league versus the chance to get $5,000 more (ex. 2nd overall) to finish high in the overall and still get a nice payout from the current league prize. Agree with Glenn's point about the league payouts. If that was my priority I would enter satellites, supers, etc. I'm playing for the the overall and if I do finish high in the overall I'm going to already be getting a nice league prize.

[ALL-IN JD]

Well, you could easily add $450 to each league and make it:

1st Place - $6,750
2nd Place - $3,300
3rd Place - $1,700
And add a 12th Place Overall for $1,500.

Or you could increase 2nd-10th Overall to:

1st Place - $125,000
2nd Place - $35,000
3rd Place - $25,000
4th Place - $12,500
5th Place - $8,000
6th Place - $5,500
7th Place - $3,500
8th Place - $2,500
9th Place - $2,000
10th Place - $1,750
11th Place - $1,600

I always ask first because I respect your opinions and because this is YOUR contest. Nobody will ever agree on everything and I try to spread the wealth to as many people as possible. But I do agree, people are playing for the overall prizes here and if we want to add to that prize pool we certainly can. I'll finalize this after a few beers tonight!! It's actually spring here today. Thanks all.

I much prefer the money going to the overall. The league prizes would go up $250-$100-$100 (1st-2nd-3rd) in your league versus the chance to get $5,000 more (ex. 2nd overall) to finish high in the overall and still get a nice payout from the current league prize. Agree with Glenn's point about the league payouts. If that was my priority I would enter satellites, supers, etc. I'm playing for the the overall and if I do finish high in the overall I'm going to already be getting a nice league prize.

+1

[Wolfpac]

Greg, after reviewing this all I like what you did with the overall suggestion the best! That would be a great way to distribute the extra 15k

[Greg Ambrosius]

The updated prize grid is now available at: http://nfbc.stats.com/baseball/contest/ ... sp?id=1401

We added $12,500 to the 2nd, 3rd and 4th place finishers, but still had enough left over to improve 5th through 10th overall. Best of luck everyone in the hunt for the $125,000 grand prize and the improved Top 100 overall prizes. It's been a fantastic start to the season with a record 450 teams competing in our 12th annual signature event.

Here's the updated Main Event prizes:

2015 NFBC Main Event Overall Prizes:
1st Place - $125,000
2nd Place - $35,000
3rd Place - $25,000
4th Place - $12,500
5th Place - $8,000
6th Place - $5,500
7th Place - $3,500
8th Place - $2,500
9th Place - $2,000
10th Place - $1,750
11th Place - $1,600

League Prizes:
1st Place - $6,500
2nd Place - $3,200
3rd Place - $1,600