Trade Review-Commish Help

[Gweed9094]

I have a trade in my 12-team roto keeper league that I am having trouble making a decision on putting through or veto'g

I have heard of a site(s) that will make a decision for you or judge it at least, does anyone know of these sites?

The deal breaks down like this:

D.Price(23B), J. Hammel(10A), and G. Springer(5B) for Wacha(20A), Travis(10A), Guerrero(10A) and a prospect Judge(5A) from NYY

These players are all available to be kept if chosen to next year with the best value for Springer at $5. I have final say, but have gotten feedback from others in the league and its overwhelming against putting it through. The team getting Price, Hammel, and Springer is in 4th, the other team in 8th. I am in 2nd which adds to the issue as I will be perceived as veto'g just because I don't want him to catch me, when in fact if the deal didn't have SPringer, I would allow despite hating the deal.

Thoughts or trade review site?

[COZ]

Wow. This is exactly why I'll never play in a Keeper league again with trades, or any league with trades for that matter. You get some guys playing for this year, others deciding to play for the future and then throw the whole competitive balance of the league out of whack with a trade like this. I am typically opposed to vetoing trades on the theory that a team's owner knows what's in the best interest of their team & how can anyone else say what's best for them. But assuming this trade is made to build for the future, it's kind of hard to understand the George Springer inclusion with a keeper salary of $5.00. While I think it is an absolutely horrible trade because of the inclusion of Springer, I don't think you can say this is so unfair as to veto it, even though it does not appear fair to me at face value. I would put it up to a league vote so as to take it out of your hands given the bias you have in the matter. Good Luck.

COZ

[GetALife]

Geez this brings back memories! True story here: 12 team league that started with 6 teams originally in sophomore year of high back in 93' . Years in, here comes a fellow nicknamed "Trip". Trip just liked his beer, could care less about football, and Trip really just liked his beer. Well, since Trip could care less every year.....right before the fantasy playoffs it was "harvest time".....EVERY YEAR. Guess what? Same exact guy ripping him off. This same guy went on to win the title every time the rip-off went through. I mean of course "TRIP" had a few good players on his team to harvest. It got so bad and so obvious I quit the league never to return. What I could never understand is how others kept rolling with it. I suppose the small donation was worth it to keep the boys meeting yearly. The league even got to the point of majority veto for trades or approval. Somehow, they still got through. Unfortunately, those out of the race didn't even vote either. Cheating is cheating. Kick em' in the river and teach em' a lesson!

[Yah Mule]

Trades in roto leagues are better in theory than in actual practice. There was a time when I liked trading in roto leagues and that time was in 2008 when I went hard after CC Sabathia who got off to a rough start. Not only did he bounce back in a big way, but Milwaukee worked him like a pitcher from 1908.

The two reasons I'm glad I left trading leagues behind.

1) The guy who sends you repeated lopsided trades, often the same offers that were previously rejected, hoping to wear you down.

2) The knowledge that this tactic would eventually work against somebody else in the league.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Trades in roto leagues are better in theory than in actual practice. There was a time when I liked trading in roto leagues and that time was in 2008 when I went hard after CC Sabathia who got off to a rough start. Not only did he bounce back in a big way, but Milwaukee worked him like a pitcher from 1908.

The two reasons I'm glad I left trading leagues behind.

1) The guy who sends you repeated lopsided trades, often the same offers that were previously rejected, hoping to wear you down.

2) The knowledge that this tactic would eventually work against somebody else in the league.

You nailed number 2. I play in some large dollar football trading leagues. This bothers me greatly. You have the guy that spends 10-15 hours a week digesting everything about the league rosters. He knows more about my team than I do. He knows when my byes are. He knows if I need to win badly. He knows he can try and screw me to get my bye week players. It is very concerning that this type of thing works and you have a guy that has about 2 players he drafted on his team at the end. Hard to overcome if they are relentless and know what they are doing. Much prefer the NFFC/NFBC and their nearest competitors on not having trading leagues.

[EWeaver]

much as i love the nfbc, vastly prefer trading leagues cause it cuts down on the egghead/excel aspect and introduces dynamics that require different skills (no judgement, personal preference - if you know offering 15 trades gets you a ripoff deal, why aren't you doing it?).

to op: only trade that should be veto'd in a keeper is collusion. if the guy is that bad, kick him out next year.

[COZ]

vastly prefer trading leagues cause it....introduces dynamics that require different skills (no judgement, personal preference - if you know offering 15 trades gets you a ripoff deal, why aren't you doing it?).

So you're that guy.

COZ

[Captain Hook]

I have a trade in my 12-team roto keeper league that I am having trouble making a decision on putting through or veto'g

I have heard of a site(s) that will make a decision for you or judge it at least, does anyone know of these sites?

The deal breaks down like this:

D.Price(23B), J. Hammel(10A), and G. Springer(5B) for Wacha(20A), Travis(10A), Guerrero(10A) and a prospect Judge(5A) from NYY

These players are all available to be kept if chosen to next year with the best value for Springer at $5. I have final say, but have gotten feedback from others in the league and its overwhelming against putting it through. The team getting Price, Hammel, and Springer is in 4th, the other team in 8th. I am in 2nd which adds to the issue as I will be perceived as veto'g just because I don't want him to catch me, when in fact if the deal didn't have SPringer, I would allow despite hating the deal.

Thoughts or trade review site?

Doesn't your league have trade rules?
If you do have rules then the trade is either legal or it is not

If you don't have clear, specific rules then you will always have problems. Trading in keeper leagues is a fun and necessary part of the league even though some will give the Commissioner some headaches.

I have been the commissioner of an AL only keeper league for almost thirty years and it is still going strong with more thana half of the original members.

BUT I offer this advice as well - YOU the Commissioner should NEVER veto a trade - there should be no vetos.
Yes you need to make sure the rules are followed and maybe you talk to both parties if there is a question. But ultimately if it is a legal trade then you put it through and IF there are those in the league that protest the trade you might have a committee review the trade (should be part of the trade rules) OR you have the league as a whole vote on the Legality (not whether the trade helps/hurts their team).

[Captain Hook]

Thoughts or trade review site?

fantasyjudgment.com

Michael Stein who also does some stuff for Fantasy Alarm