Jose Reyes Remains Locked For This Week

[Greg Ambrosius]

We had an interesting trade last night between the Rockies and Blue Jays that saw Troy Tulowitzki go from the Rockies to the Blue Jays in exchange for Jose Reyes. That should make our AL-only and NL-only FAAB bids interesting this week, that's for sure.

But it also messed with our Set Lineup this week. Troy Tulowitzki played on Monday night with the Rockies and now is with Toronto, who had a bye on Monday. Because of the team switch last night he became unlocked today, but that has been fixed. He's now locked for the rest of this week.

Jose Reyes had an off night on Monday when he was with the Blue Jays, but as soon as he got traded his team designation switched to Colorado, which played on Monday. As a result, he was locked overnight and will remain locked for this week. Just a heads up if you got mad at Reyes and took him out of the Starting Lineup.

Good luck all this week. It should be wild with the Trade Deadline on Friday.

[DOUGHBOYS]

I am betting that as soon as the deal is official that team designations for players like Tulo and Reyes are changed automatically. This is too bad.
We should receive the expectations on these players as they were before the trade.
In a best case scenario, Tulo would be locked and stay locked as he already played during this period.
Reyes owners should be allowed up till Colorado's game time or at least till Toronto's game time to decide whether he is in or out of lineups.

Same with Ben Zobrist owners, expectations were that his owners had till late Tuesday night to make a decision.
Now, the trade has made that decision moot for his owners.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

1. I don't think Reyes should be locked. He has not been on a team that has played yet while he has been on it. He wasn't a member of the Rockies yesterday. He is today.

2. There is a far bigger issue to me though. I can sort of understanding the logic of locking him, although I don't agree with it. However, if he is deemed to be locked, then he should be locked at the start of yesterdays Rockies game. It completely goes against anything NFBC related to force people to stay up until 2 in the morning to adjust the lineups to beat a roster designation change that nobody knows when is coming. So people that took Reyes out at 2 am should not be able to make that move, if we cannot when we wake up. If the decision is going to stand that he is a Colorado player then he should be a Colorado player once the game started last night. Therefore, I am okay with it as long as moves taking him out late last night are reversed. Should never ever be a situation where you are at a disadvantage if you are not setting lineups around the clock. This is why you have roster lock deadlines after all. Either they get Reyes back in lineup, or everyone should be able to take him out.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Zobrist another example. This is silly that these designations take place at any random time. I didn't have an option on my Zobrist team, but if I had, I would have got the move in after the trade. But someone trying to do it now cannot. People should not be forced to monitor their teams to make lineup changes around the clock or be at a disadvantage. Sets a horrific precedent. Shocked they would rule this way.

[Greg Ambrosius]

I am betting that as soon as the deal is official that team designations for players like Tulo and Reyes are changed automatically. This is too bad.
We should receive the expectations on these players as they were before the trade.
In a best case scenario, Tulo would be locked and stay locked as he already played during this period.
Reyes owners should be allowed up till Colorado's game time or at least till Toronto's game time to decide whether he is in or out of lineups.

Same with Ben Zobrist owners, expectations were that his owners had till late Tuesday night to make a decision.
Now, the trade has made that decision moot for his owners.

Correct. The players were locked for everyone at the same time. They are now on teams who played on Monday and thus are locked for the first part of this week.

And we can't reverse moves by owners who moved Reyes between 7 and 2 am because they had no clue that Reyes was going to a team that played on Monday. Owners may have just been taking their time after the Colorado game started to make a decision on Reyes, not sure whether to start him or not. They legally had time on Monday to make that decision, but once the trade went through it was only a matter of time until his team designation changed.

It's something that could happen any Monday-Tuesday during the season.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Horrific ruling and horrific explanation. Everyone should be on a level playing field in regards to setting lineups. Roster locks need to be adhered to. NFBC should not be an around the clock race against team designation change.

[Greg Ambrosius]

1. I don't think Reyes should be locked. He has not been on a team that has played yet while he has been on it. He wasn't a member of the Rockies yesterday. He is today.

2. There is a far bigger issue to me though. I can sort of understanding the logic of locking him, although I don't agree with it. However, if he is deemed to be locked, then he should be locked at the start of yesterdays Rockies game. It completely goes against anything NFBC related to force people to stay up until 2 in the morning to adjust the lineups to beat a roster designation change that nobody knows when is coming. So people that took Reyes out at 2 am should not be able to make that move, if we cannot when we wake up. If the decision is going to stand that he is a Colorado player then he should be a Colorado player once the game started last night. Therefore, I am okay with it as long as moves taking him out late last night are reversed. Should never ever be a situation where you are at a disadvantage if you are not setting lineups around the clock. This is why you have roster lock deadlines after all. Either they get Reyes back in lineup, or everyone should be able to take him out.

Everyone who moved Reyes in or out of their starting lineup after the Colorado game started last night could have just been making a regular starting lineup move. You would be punishing anyone who just took their time like the rules allow to set their starting lineup on Monday night. They likely weren't making their moves based on the trade. The precedent would be set that we are legally able to alter your starting lineups every Tuesday even if you legally set your starting lineup as the rules state because a trade may happen that you have no idea is coming.

That's not fair either.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

1. I don't think Reyes should be locked. He has not been on a team that has played yet while he has been on it. He wasn't a member of the Rockies yesterday. He is today.

2. There is a far bigger issue to me though. I can sort of understanding the logic of locking him, although I don't agree with it. However, if he is deemed to be locked, then he should be locked at the start of yesterdays Rockies game. It completely goes against anything NFBC related to force people to stay up until 2 in the morning to adjust the lineups to beat a roster designation change that nobody knows when is coming. So people that took Reyes out at 2 am should not be able to make that move, if we cannot when we wake up. If the decision is going to stand that he is a Colorado player then he should be a Colorado player once the game started last night. Therefore, I am okay with it as long as moves taking him out late last night are reversed. Should never ever be a situation where you are at a disadvantage if you are not setting lineups around the clock. This is why you have roster lock deadlines after all. Either they get Reyes back in lineup, or everyone should be able to take him out.

Everyone who moved Reyes in or out of their starting lineup after the Colorado game started last night could have just been making a regular starting lineup move. You would be punishing anyone who just took their time like the rules allow to set their starting lineup on Monday night. They likely weren't making their moves based on the trade. The precedent would be set that we are legally able to alter your starting lineups every Tuesday even if you legally set your starting lineup as the rules state because a trade may happen that you have no idea is coming.

That's not fair either.

Clearly moves were made, as I pointed out to you that prove this to be a bunch of hogwash, and if some moves involving Reyes in wee hours of night are allowed, moves today should be allowed as well.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Reyes owners. Get ready to eat a bunch of zeros. Unless ofcourse you are making moves in the middle of the night to beat the random designation change. As expected, not in the lineup. Locked, even though a team he was on hasn't even played yet. Ludicrous.

In NFL if you have a guy in a Sunday game in your lineup. He gets traded to a team that just played Thursday so couldn't score any points. You take a big fat zero as he will now be listed with that team? No chance to get him out, unless you are monitoring around the clock and can beat a random team designation change? Not a good rule at all.

Here is the rule.

In the NFBC, you don’t have to lock in your entire starting lineup on Mondays if you have players who don’t play their first game of the week until Tuesday. You now are allowed to lock in your starters on Monday 5 minutes before their scheduled games that day and also 5 minutes before their games on Tuesdays if that is their first game of the week.

Reyes first game of the week is Tuesday. He wasn't on the Rockies for the Monday game, so his first game is Tuesday. Yet we are not following the rules.

[Money]

I had to leave the house so I haven't read through the entire thread. I get the gist of it. To me, all participants should have equal known opportunity to play any eligible player each week. Having multiple teams this is a bigger deal to us than most.

The limited technical capabilities probably played into the choices here that don't synchronize with the rules. It what it is, time to move on....

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Exactly the biggest problem Joe. When people are expected to have to attend to their teams in wee hours of night or be at a disadvantage, or paying hawk like attention to their teams or miss getting Zobrist out, there is a big problem. People being allowed to do things others cannot do is a big problem. Not following the rules they have laid out is a big problem. It is not right at all. I am not going to just simply move on and ever think it is okay. It isn't.

[Captain Hook]

Here is the rule.

In the NFBC, you don’t have to lock in your entire starting lineup on Mondays if you have players who don’t play their first game of the week until Tuesday. You now are allowed to lock in your starters on Monday 5 minutes before their scheduled games that day and also 5 minutes before their games on Tuesdays if that is their first game of the week.

Reyes first game of the week is Tuesday. He wasn't on the Rockies for the Monday game, so his first game is Tuesday. Yet we are not following the rules.

Seems like from the bolded part it should be okay - if the intent was players whose team hasn't played their first game then why could people activate Dee Gordon for today's game? Seems like Reyes should be able to be activated

[Money]

The fact that some participants were allowed to take Reyes out and others weren't is mystifying to me. This was simply the easiest way to go about things (from a tech standpoint) and I understand that. But in reality it is wrong. I love this game and I realize it's Chad and I against the world, but fucking come on. Play by the stated rules.

It's tough enough to win at this shit.

[Sebadiah23]

Being allowed to wait until the next day to see if Reyes was in the line-up for a team that already began the week (The Rockies) is not a reasonable assumption. Penalizing people who made changed to their lineups yesterday is also not fair. I have Reyes in too. We just got unlucky. He still might play two games this half-week. Boo F-ing hoo. Move on.

"Weiss said Reyes could be in the lineup Wednesday against the Cubs but would not make it for Tuesday's game."

[Money]

Being allowed to wait until the next day to see if Reyes was in the line-up for a team that already began the week (The Rockies) is not a reasonable assumption. Penalizing people who made changed to their lineups yesterday is also not fair. I have Reyes in too. We just got unlucky. He still might play two games this half-week. Boo F-ing hoo. Move on.

"Weiss said Reyes could be in the lineup Wednesday against the Cubs but would not make it for Tuesday's game."

You are simply missing the point.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Being allowed to wait until the next day to see if Reyes was in the line-up for a team that already began the week (The Rockies) is not a reasonable assumption. Penalizing people who made changed to their lineups yesterday is also not fair. I have Reyes in too. We just got unlucky. He still might play two games this half-week. Boo F-ing hoo. Move on.

"Weiss said Reyes could be in the lineup Wednesday against the Cubs but would not make it for Tuesday's game."

You can say boo-finig whoo if you like. But you are wrong just like whoever made this ridiculous call. The rules say you have until that players first game of the week. Reyes first game of the week was today. The rules were not followed, and then to make matters even worse they allow some to make a change and others not to. It is completely and utterly ridiculous.

[Sebadiah23]

If a minor leaguer is called up on Tuesday but his team played on Monday, can I put him in? The rules don't say I can't! My player hasn't played yet! That's not fair! Please write every single crazy loophole thing that someone could argue please- my lord this thread is stupid.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

If a minor leaguer is called up on Tuesday but his team played on Monday, can I put him in? The rules don't say I can't! My player hasn't played yet! That's not fair! Please write every single crazy loophole thing that someone could argue please- my lord this thread is stupid.

Lol that is even dumber yet. You should quit while behind. He is a member of that organization. They already played. Why the hell should you be able to put him in? My goodness.

[Sebadiah23]

If you're talking about Colorado Rockies SS Jose Reyes I agree with you! Locked.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

If you're talking about Colorado Rockies SS Jose Reyes I agree with you! Locked.

I was talking about your idiotic minor league example. Not Reyes. Reyes should not be locked. And he most certainly should not be locked for some and not others.

[Sebadiah23]

Make up your mind sir- you're talking in circles.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Make up your mind sir- you're talking in circles.

I couldn't possibly be more clear. Both on the issue, and what I think of your reading comprehension ability.

[Sebadiah23]

Whatever you say Captain Loophole. I don't think either thing should be allowed. That is called consistency.

[Sebadiah23]

Reyes was locked for everyone at the same time. Stop the BS.

[Money]

Reyes was locked for everyone at the same time. Stop the BS.

And exactly what time was that? Lineups are set to be locked for everyone at exactly the same time and everyone knows what that time is. Please lets stop this. Go ahead and get the last word, it matters not.