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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:05 pm

Greg Ambrosius wrote:Dan, I agree. But again, you folks better realize how crazy this is all getting and poking fun at me for a weekly DFS game isn't going to solve this. You now have lawyers at every company looking at what Nevada, New York and others are saying and taking it as gospel for any pay-to-play fantasy game. The New York AG didn't do anyone any favors, even with his "this game is legal and this one isn't" analogy. In fact, that's what has EVERYONE in the same boiling pot now.

Las Vegas is dead to fantasy now. Everyone is running scared.

Never in my wildest dreams would I have seen this coming. And sure we can blame DK and FD, but again from my perspective I'm seeing politics rule the day over sanity. And some people think that's okay. I just don't get it.
I don't know who poked fun, but I was being dead serious.
Our fate is in the wrong hands.
Harsh and rash decisions as those in Nevada and New York speak volumes of how little these politicians know or care.
The longer this drags out, the better it is for our industry.
When things drag out, common sense begins to intervene.
At least, that is my hope.
I do blame those two companies. And I blamed them when they started their damned advertising blitz.
It was stupid and reckless.
Without them, this whole mess would not have occurred.
But now, we are all involved.
A damned shame is what it is.
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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:48 pm

I'd like to say one more thing.
For those of you who are calling on Greg, or Tom, or whoever to disassociate themselves from the daily game, please stop.
Like it or not, we are all in the same cauldren.
If Greg called a nation-wide press conference disassociating the NFBC from daily. meh.
Most politicians don't know the difference anyway.
The distinction between daily and seasonal or the luck/skill aspect of both mean little.
And in the end, it won't matter a hill of beans whether we're wit 'em or agin 'em.

(Edit: When will I learn to never say never. Idiot.)
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Post by Gekko » Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:17 pm

Dan,
U hit the trifecta this week...

1. Disagree on correa
2. Disagree on the "stocks" analogy
3. Disagree on your latest post

:P

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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:22 pm

Gekko wrote:Dan,
U hit the trifecta this week...

1. Disagree on correa
2. Disagree on the "stocks" analogy
3. Disagree on your latest post

:P
Life would be so disinteresting without disagreement.
The worst that can happen in this instance is that a good person will be wrong.
And a good person will be right.
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Post by BEF » Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:37 pm

Baseball Furies wrote: I heard the interview, and I was disgusted with it. All Eccles gives a shit about, like all the other big shots in the DFS space right now, is the almighty dollar. Let's stop kidding ourselves. It's all about greed for them...not the game, not the competition, not the love of the sports involved, not how great the players are, etc. It's about MONEY. Period. This is yet another reason among many that you shouldn't be getting into bed with these guys. Now more than ever the NFBC should be distancing itself from DFS and maintaining it's distinct and unique status as a different game that it has enjoyed since its inception. The DFS mentality of "well, if you're going to attack us, attack them too" (and we'll all go down together), is just bullshit. So don't be scared, stand up for what is right and get the hell away form these guys. :evil:
I have a question, which might come off as naive but I'm truly interested in hearing people's thoughts. How many of you, especially the high rollers who tend to dominate these discussion boards, would continue to play at NFBC if there was no money involved? Are you honestly saying that it's about "...the game, the competition, the love of the sports involved, how great the players are" and NOT about the large amounts of money you can win? If NFBC folds tomorrow, how many of you will simply scratch your gambling itch elsewhere versus running to Yahoo to play in free leagues? I'm not quite sure how people can complain about 'DFS greed' when the main reason (not the only reason, but it seems to me the main one) most people play here is to win money. I'm not looking to pick a fight, only to start an open (and honest) discussion.
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Post by KJ Duke » Fri Nov 13, 2015 7:03 pm

BEF wrote: I have a question, which might come off as naive but I'm truly interested in hearing people's thoughts. How many of you, especially the high rollers who tend to dominate these discussion boards, would continue to play at NFBC if there was no money involved? Are you honestly saying that it's about "...the game, the competition, the love of the sports involved, how great the players are" and NOT about the large amounts of money you can win? If NFBC folds tomorrow, how many of you will simply scratch your gambling itch elsewhere versus running to Yahoo to play in free leagues? I'm not quite sure how people can complain about 'DFS greed' when the main reason (not the only reason, but it seems to me the main one) most people play here is to win money. I'm not looking to pick a fight, only to start an open (and honest) discussion.
Stakes are a motivating factor which creates a competitive environment. The more on the line, the more competitive. That's the rush. That's what drives us to do research to beat our competition. What's the reward in winning a competition where no one tries very hard?

Would I play if there were no or inconsequential stakes? Probably not
Would I trade stocks if I couldn't make a return? No
Would the NFL exist if salaries were minimal? No
Would entrepreneurs start businesses without potential monetary gain? Far less often
Would capitalism work if there were no rewards? Uh-uh

This is the American way. What's your point? I don't get it.

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Post by King of Queens » Fri Nov 13, 2015 7:53 pm

BEF wrote: I have a question, which might come off as naive but I'm truly interested in hearing people's thoughts. How many of you, especially the high rollers who tend to dominate these discussion boards, would continue to play at NFBC if there was no money involved? Are you honestly saying that it's about "...the game, the competition, the love of the sports involved, how great the players are" and NOT about the large amounts of money you can win? If NFBC folds tomorrow, how many of you will simply scratch your gambling itch elsewhere versus running to Yahoo to play in free leagues? I'm not quite sure how people can complain about 'DFS greed' when the main reason (not the only reason, but it seems to me the main one) most people play here is to win money. I'm not looking to pick a fight, only to start an open (and honest) discussion.
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Post by Cocktails and Dreams » Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:48 pm

Full season high stakes contests will go on underground anyway. You think some of the large dollar private leagues I play in are going away if it is deemed to be illegal? Not a chance. It is truly unreal that the daily argument is that there is more skill involved in a single day action than there is in a single full season contest. That is alarmingly asinine.

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Post by TOXIC ASSETS » Sat Nov 14, 2015 6:48 am

KJ Duke wrote:
BEF wrote: I have a question, which might come off as naive but I'm truly interested in hearing people's thoughts. How many of you, especially the high rollers who tend to dominate these discussion boards, would continue to play at NFBC if there was no money involved? Are you honestly saying that it's about "...the game, the competition, the love of the sports involved, how great the players are" and NOT about the large amounts of money you can win? If NFBC folds tomorrow, how many of you will simply scratch your gambling itch elsewhere versus running to Yahoo to play in free leagues? I'm not quite sure how people can complain about 'DFS greed' when the main reason (not the only reason, but it seems to me the main one) most people play here is to win money. I'm not looking to pick a fight, only to start an open (and honest) discussion.
Stakes are a motivating factor which creates a competitive environment. The more on the line, the more competitive. That's the rush. That's what drives us to do research to beat our competition. What's the reward in winning a competition where no one tries very hard?

Would I play if there were no or inconsequential stakes? Probably not
Would I trade stocks if I couldn't make a return? No
Would the NFL exist if salaries were minimal? No
Would entrepreneurs start businesses without potential monetary gain? Far less often
Would capitalism work if there were no rewards? Uh-uh

This is the American way. What's your point? I don't get it.
That's pretty much my thoughts.
I invest a lot less than many on these boards. For me it's the rush of the competition and it also gives me a reason to watch more of the games. Which is about all I watch on TV anyway.
Fantasy sports makes life more interesting. What more could you want?
And would I play for no money? Not a chance. That would be a complete waste of time.

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Post by TOXIC ASSETS » Sat Nov 14, 2015 6:50 am

DOUGHBOYS wrote:I'd like to say one more thing.
For those of you who are calling on Greg, or Tom, or whoever to disassociate themselves from the daily game, please stop.
Like it or not, we are all in the same cauldren.
If Greg called a nation-wide press conference disassociating the NFBC from daily. meh.
Most politicians don't know the difference anyway.
The distinction between daily and seasonal or the luck/skill aspect of both mean little.
And in the end, it won't matter a hill of beans whether we're wit 'em or agin 'em.

(Edit: When will I learn to never say never. Idiot.)
I basically agree on this item --- most of the loser politicians (led by the circus leader -- the attorney general of NY) wouldn't have it within themselves to do the research and really learn the difference between season long and daily. After all, there's fundraising to do, and the next election is never far away.

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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:41 am

DOUGHBOYS wrote:I'd like to say one more thing.
For those of you who are calling on Greg, or Tom, or whoever to disassociate themselves from the daily game, please stop.
Like it or not, we are all in the same cauldren.
If Greg called a nation-wide press conference disassociating the NFBC from daily. meh.
Most politicians don't know the difference anyway.
The distinction between daily and seasonal or the luck/skill aspect of both mean little.
And in the end, it won't matter a hill of beans whether we're wit 'em or agin 'em.

(Edit: When will I learn to never say never. Idiot.)
I shouldn't even address Glenn's request to stop running Fanduel contests because I know an onslaught of criticism is coming, but Chad took the same question to the NFFC boards and I responded there. The post is below. It's obvious that I'm not happy with the direction the industry lawyers are taking to compare DFS skill to season-long skill, but I'm even more upset to these over-reaching AGs who seem to be putting special interests ahead of common sense. I'm just amazed that more of us aren't going crazy over the power that we've given to a legal opinion by one person without any law being passed, or any hearings taking place, or due process playing out. I'll leave it at that, but I have no problem supporting due process over the rest.

Here's my response to Chad's question:

Cocktails and Dreams wrote:
This contest exists why? Fanduel is completely throwing full season under the bus.


This contest exists because it is a a legal, skill-based game that provides enjoyment and great prizes to our customers. The people who are throwing our entire industry under the bus are the over-reaching state Attorney Generals who have so much power that with just one opinion they can shut down an entire industry. Forget due process. The AGs can shut down an entire industry without any hearings or anything else.

I'm more aghast at that than anything else. And if anyone thinks this is just going to affect DFS and not season-long, you're totally wrong. It's already impacting the entire industry.

Are we upset with Fanduel and DraftKings for extrapolating their position that DFS is a skill-based game by stating many times that DFS is an even MORE skill based game? Of course. Heck, the FSTA lobbyist has said the same thing and we're upset there, too. You can see that the entire industry right now is trying to save DFS and few realize that their analogy is harmful to season-long game operators who have had a legal ruling on this almost a decade ago.

It all sucks. If you don't want to support anything Fanduel right now then don't play this week. If enough NFFC owners don't play this week to fill the contest we won't offer it going forward. But for the last 10 weeks we've had a great, skill-based DFS game with a partner we enjoy working with and that isn't changing because of what the New York AG has done this week. I'm all for due process and I think you'll see a lot of facts come out that will change the narrative in New York and hopefully resonate throughout the country.

Walk away from this contest if you don't like it. I'm in support of DFS, of Fanduel and for freedom of choice on how we spend our discretionary income. You folks decide which games to play. I'm supporting due process and the right to choose.
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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:49 am

Cocktails and Dreams wrote:Full season high stakes contests will go on underground anyway. You think some of the large dollar private leagues I play in are going away if it is deemed to be illegal? Not a chance. It is truly unreal that the daily argument is that there is more skill involved in a single day action than there is in a single full season contest. That is alarmingly asinine.
The sad thing is that we're even talking about taking private season-long games underground to avoid the law. Let's think about that for a minute. Like playing fantasy baseball over 26+ weeks for a cash prize is some illegal form of gambling that is ruining lives? C'mon, this is absurd.

The AGs are trying to poke holes in UIGEA and in Nevada the AG said UIGEA doesn't even matter because skill vs. chance isn't a consideration in their state gambling law. Say whatever you want, but UIGEA agreed that fantasy sports over a length of time is skill-based and that it's okay to win prizes because it's skill-based. We are past having to hold underground fantasy leagues because IT'S LEGAL.

The exempt states refuse to acknowledge that it's okay to win cash prizes because they are afraid that fantasy sports will cut into state lottery revenue and Indian casino revenue. Nobody has done the homework to realize that fantasy owners are not lottery, scratch-off addicts. They are analytical people who want their winnings heavily weighted on skill-based games. They don't play slot machines or scratch off cards on a daily basis. The fears are unwarranted.

We hope to continue offering these leagues above ground. Oh my, what has become of this crazy country? :shock:
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Post by Gekko » Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:50 am

Department of Justice will not weigh in on DraftKings, FanDuel controversy

With a high-powered legal showdown over daily fantasy sports shaping up in New York, the U.S. Department of Justice remains concerned about online gambling, including fantasy sports, but isn't ready to weigh in on the current controversy involving industry leaders DraftKings and FanDuel.

"The Department of Justice remains concerned about Internet gambling because of the potential for gambling by minors and compulsive gambling, the potential for fraud and money laundering and the potential for involvement of organized crime," Department of Justice spokesman Peter Carr told ESPN Chalk on Friday morning. "We'll decline to speculate on the legality of specific online sites.

The Department of Justice has expressed its opinion on fantasy sports in the past. In a 1999 letter to Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy, obtained by ESPN Chalk, then acting assistant attorney general Jon P. Jennings wrote, "The Department of Justice is also of the opinion that there should be no special exemptions for bets or wagers of fantasy sports leagues and contests, as we can think of no reason why bets or wagers on fantasy sports leagues placed or accepted by gambling businesses should be allowed on the Internet when bets or wagers on sporting events and games of chance are not."

http://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/141 ... ly-fantasy

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Post by Gekko » Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:55 am

Greg,

This winter someone should hold "season-long fantasy sports training sessions" for legislators in each state and DC. It's clear they do NOT understand how season-long fantasy sports is played.

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Post by Fourslot40 » Sat Nov 14, 2015 11:25 am

Outside of the obvious, it's unfortunate that jobs are in danger here. Some 200 employees at Fanduel alone and while the games will continue, losing 10% of its customer base will result in a loss of personnel.

I'm angered much like everyone else about this. Under the same mentality, its ok for old ladies to take a casino bus to the casino each week and lose their social security check on the slots. It's ok to put quick draw in bars where people under the influence of alcohol can spend their paycheck on Friday afternoon. Its ok to setup an online NYRA wagering account (a rewards account BTW) and place horse wagers from the comfort of your home. Just don't play DFS. It's bad, unfair and you can harm yourself. Go with these other options instead. :roll:

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Post by Gekko » Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:30 pm

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton will weigh if fantasy sport sites violate anti-gambling laws

A Republican state lawmaker from Denton has formally asked Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton if fantasy sport sites like DraftKing.com and FanDuel.com violate Texas law.

State Rep. Myra Crownover, R-Denton, filed a request for an opinion Thursday, on the heels of New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman declaring that those sites are gambling mechanisms and therefore illegal in New York. In response, DraftKing.com and FanDuel.com have both filed lawsuits against the New York attorney general.

Meanwhile in Nevada, lawmakers banned fantasy sports betting as illegal gambling last month. Crownover noted both of these instances in her letter to Paxton.

Additionally, Crownover asked if participating in fantasy sports leagues where friends wager money amongst themselves is legal under Texas law.

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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:36 pm

I don't care about the skill/luck equation in season long fantasy.
I don't care about the skill/luck equation in daily fantasy.
We all have different opinions on both.
And politicians, well, politicians don't care niether.

When most folks play the seasonal game, it is a game played among friends, workmates, and family. It could be free. It could be for high stakes. I do not consider it gambling at all. Some do or will.
Here is the word that more aptly describes it....

hob·by1
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noun
1.
an activity done regularly in one's leisure time for pleasure.
"her hobbies are reading and gardening"
synonyms: pastime, leisure activity, leisure pursuit;


It is a pastime thoroughly enjoyed over a six month period. Like a stamp collector or reader of books, no government should be telling me how much money I can put into my hobby.
This interference should not be tolerated.
I put six months of study into drafting a team. Another six months into managing my team.
The money only becomes important as a sense of satisfaction in winning. In fact, the only time I really think about the money is when I am about to be paid.

The seasonal game is a grind. The grind is sometimes pleasurable, sometimes not.
But no matter which, it is a hobby that we cannot forsake for too long.
If we miss a faab period or don't set a lineup, it is on us. And we pay for that by not having as good of team or week as we'd like.
In other words, time off with family or friends may undercut our seasonal team.
The seasonal game is commitment.
Commitment to players, friends, workmates, and family that we started the season with.
There is no 'get rich quick' mentality to our game.
We know what we are shooting for.

The comraderie shared here, can not be equaled by most other hobbies..
We make 52 lineup decisions, 26 faab week decisions. To be good at our game, we have to be there for each of those decisions.
Some call this grind pleasurable, I guess.
Most, call it what it is, a grind.
But dammit, it is MY grind. MY hobby.

If I were to try and explain the season long game to my congressman, I woud tell him that the season long game is a hobby first and foremost.
I would show him...

hob·by1
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"her hobbies are reading and gardening"
synonyms: pastime, leisure activity, leisure pursuit;


And tell him that this perfectly describes, in a nutshell, my hobby.
And quit fucking with my hobby!
Sorry for the bad word.
No other word better describes it better.

And if the politician asks about the money part of my hobby.
I'll tell him that he doesn't tell a stamp collector how much money to put in his collection.
Or how many books I can buy.
He shouldn't be telling me how much money to put in to my hobby, loved for over 30 years.
I'd tell him that I haven't conquered my hobby. I've been trying for a long time.
Jast as a stamp collector hasn't found the ultimate stamp or a reader has not read the best book of their life, I haven't reached the finish line in my hobby.
Don't take that away.
Give me that chance.
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Post by King of Queens » Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:41 pm

Many people play DFS as a career, and not as a hobby.

No one plays season-long as a career, while almost all play as a hobby.

Definitely a big part of the equation.

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Post by BK METS » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:39 pm

Judge denied restraining order from DK and FD. No New York DFS for now.

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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:16 am

TOXIC ASSETS wrote:A bit of good news this morning:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/footb ... -1.2436626
You are right, this is common sense legislation. However, the Legislature doesn't meet again until early January and it couldn't go into effect until November of 2016. Next Wednesday's hearing with the New York Supreme Court will settle this dispute well before this bill ever gets looked at.
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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:26 am

Next Wednesday will be "D Day" for the DFS industry as a New York Supreme Court judge will hear the arguments from Draft Kings and Fanduel against New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman. Here's the details:

http://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/141 ... er-request

Unfortunately for the rest of the industry, the merits of their case rest on the way Schneiderman made his initial ruling. He stated that DFS was illegal sports gambling, while season-long fantasy games have always been considered games of skill and will continue to be ruled that way. That's the opening the DFS lawyers are going to use to present their case. In their eyes, both games are games of skill and thus should be lumped together in analyzing whether both are legal or not. Here's an example of that thinking:

"We look forward to our day in court," Josh Schiller of Boies, Schiller and Flexner, part of the legal team arguing on behalf of DraftKings, told ESPN.com. "Daily fantasy sports are not an illegal gambling operation, and there's no credibility to the argument that season-long fantasy could be legal while daily fantasy isn't. Daily fantasy requires more skill and less chance."

Nobody wants to pit one fantasy game against the other as the entire industry is under attack by aggressive AGs, but this "daily fantasy requires more skill and less chance" argument AGAINST season-long is getting old fast. Real old. I wish they were taking a different approach, but I guess we're all being lumped together in New York. Not good.

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Post by BK METS » Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:39 am

Greg Ambrosius wrote:
"We look forward to our day in court," Josh Schiller of Boies, Schiller and Flexner, part of the legal team arguing on behalf of DraftKings, told ESPN.com. "Daily fantasy sports are not an illegal gambling operation, and there's no credibility to the argument that season-long fantasy could be legal while daily fantasy isn't. Daily fantasy requires more skill and less chance."

Nobody wants to pit one fantasy game against the other as the entire industry is under attack by aggressive AGs, but this "daily fantasy requires more skill and less chance" argument AGAINST season-long is getting old fast. Real old. I wish they were taking a different approach, but I guess we're all being lumped together in New York. Not good.
Greg, the majority of this thread and other threads have guys trying to tell you to cut your association with FanDuel, for the little it really does for the NFBC/NFFC and your argument has been, its legal and we are together in this. Now, DFS is throwing season long under the bus by somehow making the argument that the two games are the same, and DFS requires more skill and less chance, and you are surprised by this? DFS cares nothing about anyone but their billion dollar companies. We are not in this fight together. We are being dragged down by greed and instead of taking a stance against DFS, we are being pulled down with them. We should be fighting for season long and only season long. What are we waiting for??????

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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:34 am

I believe the only way for the daily game to continue, is to stay in the same cauldren as the season-long game.
It's a good tactic.
Is there a lobbyist in Washington supporting the season-long game?
Doubtful.
Fantasy lobbyists are there for the whole game, not season-long over daily or vice versa.

On the face of it, the season-long game should be pissed. The daily game lawyers are using the argument that more skill is involved in the daily game than season-long game.
Most would find this argument, laughable.
BUT (and it is a big BUT), we have to remember the audience.
Politicians bamboozle and are easily bamboozled themselves.

By arguing that the skill level of the daily game is the same or exceeds the season-long game, the daily game lawyers are seeking the 'safety in numbers' defense.
They know that even by arguing the skill level between the two games, it blends both games together.
Their bet is that they could crush their companies, but never fantasy sports as a whole.
DraftKings and FanDuel are two fish, seeking a school of fish.
The vast numbers of those that play the fantasy game is far more daunting than those of their clients.
This is their best bet.
(Oops sorry, for some reason, I use the word 'bet' more when speaking of the daily game)

This does put the fantasy game, as a whole, at risk.
While we just want to play the fantasy game, these two companies could care less about that.
These two companies are not fighting for fantasy sports.
That is the largest of misconceptions.
Far from it.
They are fighting to exist. Period.
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Re: New York bans FanDuel and DraftKings

Post by King of Queens » Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:19 pm

http://www.ag.ny.gov/pdfs/FD_Complaint.pdf

Very clear definition of Traditional (season-long) Fantasy Sports is given on pages 4-6.

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