New York Super League: Friday or Saturday?

[Tom Kessenich]

In the 2016 schedule of events thread I posted the following:

"Just a heads up that we're strongly considering moving the New York Super to Saturday night March 26. That's been my preferred day the past few years but we have avoided doing that. However, we have several people who want to play in both the $2,500 Auction and the Super who can't do both because they're both on Friday. Moving the Super to Saturday will eliminate that and also cap off a great three-day weekend of events in the Big Apple."

Nobody contacted me saying they objected to this potential change but I wanted to bring it up for discussion again. The intent is to allow people who want to play in both the Super and $2,500 Auction to be able to do so. By having both on the same day that has forced people who wanted to compete in both to choose one and we'd like to make the schedule more accommodating for everyone if possible. I also believe having the Super on Saturday night would be a great way to bring the week in New York to an end with a terrific league with great players going at it.

The good news is we have a lot of time to figure this out. I'm definitely open to keeping the league on Friday if that's what the majority wants. But if it helps sell out the Super sooner by switching it to Saturday to accommodate those who haven't been able to take part the last couple of years we won't say no to that plan.

Before we make any official decisions let us know what you think. Let's have a discussion here and you can also email me at [email protected] as well. So what do the New York players prefer for the Super - keeping it on Friday night or switching it to Saturday? Let us know. Thanks.

[Greg Ambrosius]

The New York Schedule of Events can certainly be adjusted. Let's figure this out together and finalize in the coming weeks. We are definitely at the New York Hilton March 24-26. Here's what we have right now:

NEW YORK
New York Hilton
Thursday March 24
5 pm ET $1,300 Auction Championship
5 pm ET - $750 Online Championship Plus
6 pm ET - Main Event

Friday March 25
10 am ET $1,300 Auction Championship
10 am ET - $750 Online Championship Plus
1 pm ET - $750 Online Championship Plus
4 pm ET $1,300 Auction Championship
4 pm ET - $750 Online Championship Plus
5 pm ET $2,500 Auction Championship
7 pm ET $1500 Online Championship Plus
8 pm ET Super (could be moved here)

Saturday March 26
1 pm ET Main Event
6 pm ET - $1300 Auction Championship
6 pm ET $750 Online Championship Plus
6 pm ET $1500 Online Championship Plus
6 pm ET Super (tentative)

If you want to move the Super to Friday night, that's fine. But then let's try to figure out whether we need to move the $2,500 Auction Championship to an earlier start time. It's tough to get all three events in one day, but let's decide together.

Thanks for any and all feedback here.

[mdecav]

I'd like to do both (2500 auction and super) so I'd go with the super on Saturday

[Bronx Yankees]

Greg - In terms of feedback on the NYC schedule, I'd say:

1. I would love to do a Thursday night Main Event and hope that it goes from tentative to definite.
2. Count me in for the Saturday Main Event.
3. No strong preference on the timing of the MTM Super. I am thinking about possibly throwing my hat into that one (if there is room for me), but am not sure yet. In either case, I would not be participating in the $2,500 auction, nor would I have a strong preference for Friday night or Saturday night.

Thanks.

Mike

[Red Sox Nation-]

I'd like to also be in both the Super Auction and MTM Super. I'd prefer both on Friday as long as they are spaced out and not rushed. If the Super happens to fall on Saturday I'll make that happen as well. I'll also be in the Thursday night ME with the champ (Mike-Bronx). Count me in

Jason

[Baseball Furies]

Tom, as I stated to Greg before the proposed scheduling change of the annual MTM Super, I have a family commitment that weekend on Saturday evening, so unless you would like to hold the MTM without MTM, it needs to remain on Friday night this year. Additionally, given the Easter holiday on Sunday, no one is going to stick around in the city for the post draft festivities if the Super were to be held on Saturday night, which is a big part of the allure of this event along with the sundry ex-porn stars, celebrity draft facilitators, door prizes,mega league champ trophy, etc. The easy solution has been suggested on the boards already. It's simply a matter of spacing out the auctions for the day, in particular the $2500 auction championship, in order to allow for those who would like a shot at the MTM who traditionally have been unable to participate in it due to conflicts with this auction running into the MTM Super draft start time. This should't be much of a problem since the auction competitors have to take the day off from work that day anyway in order to participate in these drafts be they earlier in the day or later in the afternoon.

On another note, there is strong interest in having a Main Event Thursday evening as there was last year to kick off the NY weekend. I'd be in for this and several others have already expressed this on here and to me personally.

[Tom Kessenich]

I'm all for having the $2,500 Auction and the Super on Friday. The problem is spacing. We also have the 10 am auction and I know there's crossover with that as well. Given how long baseball auctions take I'm not sure there's a way to space the $2,500 auction and the Super without overlap while also affording the people in the 10 am auction the opportunity to compete in the $2,500 auction.

Given the length of baseball auctions and drafts it's very difficult to host three in one day for everyone to compete in. That's the problem we've run into since we stopped doing two weekends on the East Coast and the issue I'd like to avoid moving forward. Right now we have the following:

10 am - $1,300 auction
5 pm - $2,500 auction
8 pm - Super

I don't think it's realistic to push the Super back nor do I want to do that. I also don't think we can start it earlier if people want to play in both that and the $2,500 auction. Since people want to play in both the 10 am auction and the $2,500 auction I think the earliest we could start the $2,500 would be 4 pm but even then there will still be overlap with the Super at 8. The other option is we just keep everything the way it's been and if people want to compete in both they'll need a partner for the last hour or so of the $2,500 auction.

Again, I'm definitely open to keeping all three on the same day so if I'm missing something in terms of timing let me know. Let's keep the discussion going and if there's a way to do all three on the same day with the first auction beginning at 10 am and the Super no later than 8 let me know and we'll get it done. Thanks everyone.

As far as a Thursday Main Event I think we'll definitely put that on the schedule. That was a popular option last year due to Easter being that weekend so we'll almost certainly offer that again this year. In fact, I'll take the tentative off Greg's post now.

[Gekko]

Tom, why wouldn't 10am, 3pm and 8pm work? Do you think the auctions will take more than 5 hours to complete?

[Tom Kessenich]

Tom, why wouldn't 10am, 3pm and 8pm work? Do you think the auctions will take more than 5 hours to complete?

I am concerned the 10 am and 3 pm would overlap. While I like having auctions that move at a good pace I don't want people feel as if they're being rushed. But for those playing in the auctions if you think 10, 3 and 8 would work we can definitely do that. It does seem like the sentiment is to keep everything on Friday so let's figure out a way to do that. We can't really start the morning auction any earlier and the Super any later so the key is finding the right time for the $2,500 auction. Is that 3 pm ET? If so we'll do it.

[mdecav]

So why not move the 2500 auction to Saturday evening? Is Easter an issue for some people in that league?

[Tom Kessenich]

So why not move the 2500 auction to Saturday evening?

The $2,500 league has always been on Friday in New York. That league has seniority. Also, having an auction as the final evening event on Saturday will make for a long day and I'm not sure that's really appealing the day before Easter.

What we used to have when we had two weekends of events on the East Coast was the Super the Friday of the first week in Atlantic City and later Mahwah with the morning auction and what has become the $2,500 auction league on the Friday of the second week in New York City. When we eliminated the first week on the East Coast that meant finding a home for the Super. People wanted it on Friday but that meant forcing people to choose between two $2,500 leagues. That's really what I want to avoid doing if possible.

Again, I'm open to all possibilities if there is a majority consensus. If all 15 players in the $2,500 auction league say they'll do it on Saturday we'll do it on Saturday. However, I'm not sure that will be appealing so I would like to proceed with the two auctions on Friday and figuring out how best to schedule the Super. I still think Saturday is the best option for that league but if we have to table that idea for another year that's fine by me. So let's come up with a way to make all 3 work on Friday from a time perspective.

[Brock]

Tom, it seems to me that the 10 o'clock auction is what's impacting the draft times for the two supers. I'm guessing the 10 o'clock would fill without the guys wanting to draft in the two supers. What about 11 or noon for the super auction and 5 or 6 for the MTM. That would work and still give the guys plenty of time to go out afterwards and not be zombies for the main the next day. All the best.

[76erfan]

I think shaving 30 minutes here or there would do the trick.

930 am start to morning auction....3 pm start to 2500 auction....830 start MTM

if auctions go 5 hours...you allow 30 minutes break in between

also..you filled a Saturday night regular auction last year in new York.........and that was before easter too......

I say stick with what worked last year in terms of schedule but tweak slightly on Friday so super auction and mtm auction participants can do both.

[Tom Kessenich]

Tom, it seems to me that the 10 o'clock auction is what's impacting the draft times for the two supers. I'm guessing the 10 o'clock would fill without the guys wanting to draft in the two supers. What about 11 or noon for the super auction and 5 or 6 for the MTM. That would work and still give the guys plenty of time to go out afterwards and not be zombies for the main the next day. All the best.

There are people who compete in both the morning auction and the $2,500 auction so we need to have a schedule in place to accommodate them. Again, the morning and $2,500 auctions have been in place in New York City for years and there are several people who do both every year. It's the Super that we had to shoehorn into the Friday schedule once we eliminated the first week of events on the East Coast. If the consensus does not want to move the Super to Saturday then we have the following options on Friday:

1. Keep the times as is - 10 am auction, 5 pm $2,500 auction, 8 pm Super and people either have to choose between the two $2,500 leagues or find a partner if they wish to do both.

2. Move the $2,500 auction to earlier in the day like 3 pm ET. My concern there is will there be enough time between that event and the 10 am auction or the Super for those who wish to do some combination of those contests or all three? We could move it to 4 pm ET but then there will be some overlap with the Super although it might not be much so doing both would still be possible with a partner.

If there are other Friday options I'm missing let me know. Ideally, I still think moving the Super to Saturday is the best way to go but if that isn't the option people want we are not going to force it. Again, the good news is we have lots of time to figure things out so let's do that and get a plan in place. I'd like to figure out something that gets people into both the $2,500 auction and the Super if they wish to do both. But we also can't disrupt the plans of those who like doing both auctions. So this isn't an easy fix which is why I want to get everyone's thoughts.

[Tom Kessenich]

I think shaving 30 minutes here or there would do the trick.

930 am start to morning auction....3 pm start to 2500 auction....830 start MTM

if auctions go 5 hours...you allow 30 minutes break in between

also..you filled a Saturday night regular auction last year in new York.........and that was before easter too......

I say stick with what worked last year in terms of schedule but tweak slightly on Friday so super auction and mtm auction participants can do both.

I don't like moving the morning auction earlier and the Super later although again I'm not saying no to anything right now. I'd say I'm currently leaning toward the following:

10 am - $1,300 Auction
4 pm - $2,500 Auction
8 pm - Super

This isn't ideal for those who want to do the $2,500 Auction and the Super but if you have a partner it would work.

You're right, we did have a Saturday night auction but that wasn't in place of the $2,500. Our goal is to get four auctions again in New York which would mean one on Thursday, two on Friday and one on Saturday.

[76erfan]

I think shaving 30 minutes here or there would do the trick.

930 am start to morning auction....3 pm start to 2500 auction....830 start MTM

if auctions go 5 hours...you allow 30 minutes break in between

also..you filled a Saturday night regular auction last year in new York.........and that was before easter too......

I say stick with what worked last year in terms of schedule but tweak slightly on Friday so super auction and mtm auction participants can do both.

I don't like moving the morning auction earlier and the Super later although again I'm not saying no to anything right now. I'd say I'm currently leaning toward the following:

10 am - $1,300 Auction
4 pm - $2,500 Auction
8 pm - Super

This isn't ideal for those who want to do the $2,500 Auction and the Super but if you have a partner it would work.

You're right, we did have a Saturday night auction but that wasn't in place of the $2,500. Our goal is to get four auctions again in New York which would mean one on Thursday, two on Friday and one on Saturday.

agree....I plan on doing the Saturday night one and then hitting the bar with you to watch march madness until our bus departure:)

I think the problem is no one wants a partner for an hour to help....they want to do both outright.

that's why I proposed 930, 3 and 830.......heck...tell people be there by 230 for the 3..and if we can start a few minutes early we will...same for the mtm........but allow people to have the peace of mind that they can do this without overlap....that's what people want. Just my two cents which is worth probably less than that:)

[Gekko]

Do it up Andy!

[Bronx Yankees]

As far as a Thursday Main Event I think we'll definitely put that on the schedule. That was a popular option last year due to Easter being that weekend so we'll almost certainly offer that again this year. In fact, I'll take the tentative off Greg's post now.

Tom - Thanks. I'm sure we'll sell it out.

Mike

[DOUGHBOYS]

Sunday drafts on April 3 should be very interesting.
MLB recently stated that instead of a Sunday night game opening the season, there will be three games.
1:05 STL vs PIT
4:05 TOR vs TAM
8:35 NYM vs KC
The checking of phones may be at an all time high during Sunday drafts!

PS- LOVE the scheduling of those games.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Sunday drafts on April 3 should be very interesting.
MLB recently stated that instead of a Sunday night game opening the season, there will be three games.
1:05 STL vs PIT
4:05 TOR vs TAM
8:35 NYM vs KC
The checking of phones may be at an all time high during Sunday drafts!

PS- LOVE the scheduling of those games.

Yes, this was not expected by us when we set up the 2016 NFBC Schedule of Events. MLB has never had anything more than one Sunday night game in the past. We'll have to look this over and decide how to deal with this. Sunday is still a big day of drafts in Las Vegas and Online, so now we have some work to do.

Who can ever keep up with MLB? Something new every year.

[Red Sox Nation-]

I think shaving 30 minutes here or there would do the trick.

930 am start to morning auction....3 pm start to 2500 auction....830 start MTM

if auctions go 5 hours...you allow 30 minutes break in between

also..you filled a Saturday night regular auction last year in new York.........and that was before easter too......

I say stick with what worked last year in terms of schedule but tweak slightly on Friday so super auction and mtm auction participants can do both.

I don't like moving the morning auction earlier and the Super later although again I'm not saying no to anything right now. I'd say I'm currently leaning toward the following:

10 am - $1,300 Auction
4 pm - $2,500 Auction
8 pm - Super

This isn't ideal for those who want to do the $2,500 Auction and the Super but if you have a partner it would work.

You're right, we did have a Saturday night auction but that wasn't in place of the $2,500. Our goal is to get four auctions again in New York which would mean one on Thursday, two on Friday and one on Saturday.

agree....I plan on doing the Saturday night one and then hitting the bar with you to watch march madness until our bus departure:)

I think the problem is no one wants a partner for an hour to help....they want to do both outright.

that's why I proposed 930, 3 and 830.......heck...tell people be there by 230 for the 3..and if we can start a few minutes early we will...same for the mtm........but allow people to have the peace of mind that they can do this without overlap....that's what people want. Just my two cents which is worth probably less than that:)

I agree with Andy's idea with the timing here. We just need to make sure we finish the auctions without rushing. Do any Mixed 2500 NYC auction participants have a conflict with starting around 3PM? We usually have about 10 regulars in this auction each year.

I'd start it even earlier than 3PM but I understand the early AM auction folks may want to jump in both. I'm just looking to do the 2500 and MTM (assuming I get the MTM invite)

[BK METS]

I am fine with starting the $2500 auction earlier

[Baseball Furies]

Seems to me that the easy fix is to spread out the auction times as suggested, and if you were going to move one of them, simply move one of the $1300 auction championships to Saturday evening. This way, one of everything is offered on that Friday with the Super starting promptly at 8:00 p.m. Pushing the Super back any later than that doesn't work since it cuts into our already tight post draft festivities at Rosie O'Grady's which accommodates us with their kitchen remaining open until 12:00-12:30 a.m. Whatever is decided, the MTM Super is the premiere event of the weekend, and it will sell out quickly. It would be great, however, to give some others on here a chance to compete in the event who have been asking about it for the last couple of years.

This year will be the 5th Annual Event already, and we again are crowning a different champion for the fourth year in a row. I am planning on getting the 2016 MTM Super thread going right after Thanksgiving the first week of December just for all of the early season fun, hype, and shameless exploitation it generates. So stay tuned...

[76erfan]

There is already a Saturday night auction....nothing to move. I think k only option is to squeeze all three into one day

[Tom Kessenich]

Andy's right, there is already a $1,300 auction scheduled for Saturday night. The plan is to have a Friday morning auction and a Saturday evening auction like we had last year. I think there needs to be a 5-hour window for a baseball auction just to be on the safe side. So unless someone convinces me otherwise I'm going to go forward with a plan of:

10 am - $1,300 Auction
4 pm - $2,500 Auction
8 pm - Super

Even if we went 9:30 am, 3:30 pm for the first two that doesn't guarantee the $2,500 auction will be done in time for the Super so I don't see that as an option that really gains anything. So with the plan above this means people who want to play in the $2,500 leagues will either have to choose one or have a partner. I still think moving the Super to Saturday night is the best way to go but we can table that discussion for another year.