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Ranking System - Percentage Theory

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:11 pm
by poopy tooth
I would like some of you to let me know where my new ranking system has flaws. I apologize for the long message. (I apologize if the format is bad, I did a copy paste.)



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The basic principle of the formula is simple. In order to win, you will need the highest percentage of possible points in your competition. In the NFBC, you will need approximately 84.3% of all available points in order to win. To look at a specific year, we will see more detail.



Last year, the champion, David DiDonato had 85.7% of all available points, the runner up had 79.1% of all available points. To be practical, David would have won with 79.2% of all available points. In 2006, there were 330 teams which means the most points available would be 3,000 (300 points * 10 categories). 79.2% of 3,300 equals 2613. If you break that down into each category, you need 261.5 points from each category. (Sure, you can get more in one and less in another, but I think you see the point.) In 2006, here is the total you would need in each category to have 261.5 points for that category.



Avg - .2843 Run – 1,152 HR – 293 RBI – 1,116 SB – 161



ERA – 4.087 Wins – 103 K – 1,185 Whip – 1.313 SV – 86



(Note, these totals won’t win every year, but they would have in 2006. You should also note the roughly 84.3% of all available points needed will be approximately, but not exactly the same as these totals each year. If that doesn’t make sense, yes, there will be more teams, but with 15 teams in each league, 295 HR will be give you close to 83% of all HR points available. The same will be true in each category. Set your target at about 104 wins to reach 83-85% of all available points. Adding more teams will raise how many points 83% of a category’s available point total, for example, 83% of 300 is 249. 83% of 330 is 274.



If you knew ahead of time what would be needed in each category to win would it affect your draft? Using the numbers above, which are now below:



Avg - .2843 Run – 1,152 HR – 293 RBI – 1,116 SB – 161



ERA – 4.087 Wins – 103 K – 1,185 Whip – 1.313 SV – 86



Each owner will have a target for each category. (For 2007, you can calculate the needed category total at the 83.4% level and find the average. Saves has already been done: 88, 98 and 97 leaves an average of 94.) I provide the rest for each category at the bottom for those interested, but for the example, we will look at last year’s totals.



Players will fall into two categories, pitchers or hitters. Each player can help you in a maximum of 5 categories. Some will help in less, but none will help in more.



Finding the percentage each player provides you towards reaching the target for each category if then broken down into a computable formula. Some categories are easy to find, while others, AVG, WHIP and ERA are a little more detailed because the totals a player provides don’t add to a total, like the other categories. We’ll look at the other categories first. Below the target for each category, you will see a percentage. Each time you add one additional stat for it’s particular target, you are that much closer to the total target. For example, each save is 1.16% of the total you need to get to 86 saves. So, if you have a pitcher who gets 40 saves, those 40 saves will be 46.4% of the total needed towards the saves target. Each run makes up .087% of the target total of 1,152. If you have a hitter who scores 95 runs, he will provide 8.265% of the target total.



Run – 1,152 = 0.087%/per run (towards target total)

HR – 293 0.341%/per HR (towards target total)

RBI – 1,116 0.090%/per run (towards target total)

SB – 161 0.621%/per SB (towards target total)



Wins – 103 = 0.97%/Win (towards target total)

K – 1,185 = 0.084%/K (towards target total)

SV – 86 = 1.16%/SV (towards target total)





You can calculate the total percentage points each player provides for each of the categories, based on your projections. The other 3 categories also have a percentage that a player provides towards getting to the target total. Since the categories are weighted by innings pitched, earned runs, at bats, hits, etc, you must take into account the different weights each player provides.



This is where things can get somewhat tricky, but you need to take a look at the expected at bats and innings pitched a team will provide. The research I have done indicates that an average team will compile 7,413 at bats during the season. In order to achieve a team batting average of .2843, you will need 2,108 hits in those 7,413 at bats. Your pitching staff will have a wider range, depending on your starters to relievers ratio. Your team’s pitchers will average about 1,463 innings. (Again that will change depending on your starters and relievers, but for this example, we will stay with 1,463 IP.) With these baselines, you will be able to weight the numbers both hitters and pitchers will carry based on their AB total and IP total.



To calculate the impact of a pitchers ERA, you need to get the projection for your pitcher. We’ll use a pitcher who pitches 200 innings and an ERA of 2.65. Remember, we are looking for an ERA of 4.087.



Find out the earned run total a pitcher with an ERA of 4.087 and 200IP would have. (200*4.087)/9 = 90.8 runs



Find the earned run total a pitcher with an ERA of 2.65 and 200IP would have. (200*2.65)/9 = 58.9 runs



Determine the difference between the two totals. 90.8 – 58.9 = 31.9



Divide the difference by the average performer’s earned run total to find the percentage earned runs saved. (31.9/90.8 = .351 or 35.1%)



Calculate the percentage of total expected IP this pitcher has provided. (200/1463=13.67%).



200 IP is 13.67% of all IP your team will have.

Take this percentage and divide into 100. (100/13.67=7.315)



Take the total from step 6 and divide it into the percentage from step 4. (7.315/35.1= 4.799)

4.799 is this pitchers ERA point total. It does not mean this pitcher will gain you 4.799 points in that category. It is a total based on the calculation. (All of these totals are referred to as total value points, whether they are a calculation total or an actual percentage. You will be using these total value points later to calculate each players contribution to a category.)



Calculate the total for each pitcher.



Whip is another weighted category. You will also be using a set of steps to come to a Whip category total, as you did with ERA. We’ll use the same 200 IP as our example and assume the pitcher has a whip of 1.05.

1. Find the difference between the target whip total and this pitcher’s whip. (1.313-1.05=.263)

2. Find the percentage difference between the target whip and the subtracted difference from step 1.

(.263/1.313=.2003 or 20.03).

3. Take the percentage from step 2 and multiply by the percentage of IP/100 this pitcher provides.

(Calculated in ERA step 5 above) (20.03*(13.67/100))=2.738

4. This is your Whip Calculation Total.



The last category that we need to calculate a point total for is batting average. We are looking for an average of .2843 We’ll assume we have a hitter with 650 at bats and a .2815 avg.



1. Take the batter’s projected average and subtract it from the Target average and divide by the target avg and multiply this total by 100. (Make sure you place the projected hitter’s avg FIRST, then subtract the target avg. If the projected avg is less than the target, you will have a negative number.) (.2815-.2843)/.2843 *100= -.985)



2. Find the percentage of total at bats this hitter will provide. Leave in decimal form! (650/7,413=.088)



3. Multiply the total from step 1 and the total from step 2. (-.985*.088= -.087) Make sure you have a negative total if the projected average is below the target avg.



Ok, if you are still with me, you know how to get a total for each category scored as it relates to your target score, and is also weighted by the total number of at bats or innings pitched each player provides.



Calculate this total for each player you are doing projections for. After you have each player done, you should have 5 scores for hitters, one for each category, keeping in mind average can be negative. You will also have 5 categories for pitchers. (Starters will have a 0 under saves, so they contribute to 4 categories.)



In order to rank the players, you have to first compare their scored categories. For every hitter, you should have a total for avg, runs, hr, rbi and sb. (Runs, HR, rbi and sb will all be a percentage total, while avg is a calculation total.) Pitchers will have a total for era, wins, whip, K, sv. (Wins, K’s and Saves will be a percentage total; while ERA and Whip are a calculated point total.). Make sure all percentage totals all converted to decimals carried out to the third digit. For example, if a pitcher has 43.2% of your target save total, the column this total is in should show .432. Each column, whether it’s a percentage or a calculation should be multiplied by .2. This is done to represent the 5 different categories a player can contribute to, giving each equal weight of 20%.



Sort the each column to find the highest total for each category. While this player cannot provide you with 100% of any of the stat targets needed, this player’s represents 100% of the highest total available that an individual player can contribute. Let’s take a look at an example of possible total value points for wins:



Player A = 2.106 Player B = 2.054 Player C = 1.136 Player D = 0.227



Granted, it’s a small sample, but you will get the idea from it. The player with the highest total of Total Value Points will be given a Percentage total for that category of 100. After finding the highest total for a category, you take the player’s total value points for the category and divide by the highest total value points for the category and then multiply by 100, just to change the decimal to a whole number. (This is the percentage the player can provide individually compared to the leader in that category.)



Player A (2.106/2.106=1*100=100)



Player B (2.054/2.106=.9753*100=97.53)



Player C (1.136/2.106=.5394*100=53.94)



Player D (.227/2.106=.1078*100=10.78)



You see a percentage total (without the percentage sign) that a player can contribute towards a target as compared to other players also contributing towards the target. The most points a player can have is 500. (They would have to have the highest Total Value Points in all 5 hitting categories.)



Once you have completed finding the percentage total for each category, you can add them all together. You may have pitchers and catchers on separate spreadsheets at this time, so that copying formulas was easier. You can now combine all totals to see who will provide the greatest impact towards reaching the totals needed to win the NFBC.



You can also compare the total value points amongst players at their positions to see a position scarcity total.





When I plugged in last years final stats, it has some surprising results.



Rank Player % Total

1 Santana Johan 400.272

2 Pujols Albert 344.156

3 Jeter Derek 330.433

4 Howard Ryan 322.291

5 HollidayMatt 307.675

6 Cabrera Miguel 305.023

7 Reyes Jose 304.494

8 GuerreroVladimi 300.593

9 CarpenterChris 298.512

10 Atkins Garrett 297.247

11 Webb Brandon 289.767

12 Dye Jermaine288.660

13 Berkman Lance 288.651

14 Utley Chase 288.106

15 Morneau Justin 281.673

16 Soriano Alfonso 280.788

17 Ortiz David 274.913

18 Lee Carlos 272.837

19 CrawfordCarl 272.528

20 Tejada Miguel 272.292

21 Suzuki Ichiro 271.703

22 Oswalt Roy 267.747

23 Wright David 267.090

24 HalladayRoy 265.129

25 Nathan Joe 257.989



[ February 15, 2007, 07:12 PM: Message edited by: poopy tooth ]

Ranking System - Percentage Theory

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:40 pm
by eddiejag
Where is little A Rod,was his season that bad.

Cant top the top 20 or 25.

Ranking System - Percentage Theory

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:48 pm
by Nevadaman
How can Santana have more than 400 points? If he is limited to 100 in each category, and gets no saves, he cannot exceed 400. Or am I missing something?

Ranking System - Percentage Theory

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:29 pm
by Gordon Gekko
Originally posted by Nevadaman:

How can Santana have more than 400 points? If he is limited to 100 in each category, and gets no saves, he cannot exceed 400. Or am I missing something? ROFLMAO :D

Ranking System - Percentage Theory

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:07 pm
by Potter
Website slogan sugggestion. Rotowin: Putting the "geek" in rotogeek since 2007. 3 served.

Ranking System - Percentage Theory

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:36 pm
by bjoak
Somehow my system is more advanced than yours and less boring at the same time. Not sure I can explain how. Anyway, if you've think it's correct, why are you posting it all over the walls as a model for anone who can bare to read it?

Ranking System - Percentage Theory

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:40 pm
by JohnZ
Originally posted by bjoak:

Somehow my system is more advanced than yours and less boring at the same time. Not sure I can explain how. Anyway, if you've think it's correct, why are you posting it all over the walls as a model for anone who can bare to read it? Can you post yours?



You gave us rankings last year based on your system like everyone knew what they meant.

Ranking System - Percentage Theory

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:43 pm
by bjoak
Also, perhaps more helpfully, most valuation systems--including mine and the NFBC rankings--had Reyes as the most valuable hitter by far last year. I'm not going to suffer through the details to figure out why you had him so far down, but something is off.



[ February 16, 2007, 12:44 AM: Message edited by: bjoak ]

Ranking System - Percentage Theory

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:48 pm
by bjoak
Can you post yours? Sorry, John, I just don't feel close enough to you to try and teach you how to do well yet. Though, for you and everyone, free drinks in Vegas make me less reserved.



As far as what they meant, it was based on how many points you would win or lose (in your case lose) compared to the overall leader in a 330 team draft. I only posted offensive totals, though.



[ February 16, 2007, 12:50 AM: Message edited by: bjoak ]

Ranking System - Percentage Theory

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:17 pm
by JohnZ
Originally posted by bjoak:

quote: Can you post yours? Sorry, John, I just don't feel close enough to you to try and teach you how to do well yet. Though, for you and everyone, free drinks in Vegas make me less reserved.



As far as what they meant, it was based on how many points you would win or lose (in your case lose) compared to the overall leader in a 330 team draft. I only posted offensive totals, though. [/QUOTE]It was just funny how you posted these numbers like everyone knew what they meant. Thanks for putting some kind of meaning behind them.



Obviously you wouldn't post your pitching numbers, there's no way to account for taking Harden to start Round 2.



I see from KJ ranking by $$$ points (8 me, you 4) that I've won at least twice as much as you in NFBC leagues, so we're all waiting for you to do well too.



Good Luck this year.



p.s. If your numbers are so good, don't you think you could start a website and make more than the $100K you could win here?

Ranking System - Percentage Theory

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:37 pm
by bjoak
Obviously you wouldn't post your pitching numbers, there's no way to account for taking Harden to start Round 2. Well, my numbers aren't based on health; I judge that seperately. Him I messed up (though I never took hm in the main event, which is the true test, methinks), but, hey, are you saying you judged health better than I did last year?



As far as corrections go, I took Harden to end round 2, but your point is well taken. Really, he was my round 3 pick, but I wasn't sure who I wanted end of round 2 so i took the extra minute to decide. When you have 2 picks in a row, it doesn't really matter.



I see from KJ ranking by $$$ points (8 me, you 4) that I've won at least twice as much as you in NFBC leagues, so we're all waiting for you to do well too. Good for you. How much did you spend? Nevertheless, you have yet to finish ahead of me in *any* league.



p.s. If your numbers are so good, don't you think you could start a website and make more than the $100K you could win here? Never said I couldn't. Not really my goal in life either, but, hey, if you're implying whatever it is you do makes that much, then I surely could. I'll have to look into it.



[ February 16, 2007, 02:10 AM: Message edited by: bjoak ]

Ranking System - Percentage Theory

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:45 am
by Nutty Scrats
Originally posted by poopy tooth:

I would like some of you to let me know where my new ranking system has flaws. I apologize for the long message. (I apologize if the format is bad, I did a copy paste.)



*******************************

The basic principle of the formula is simple. In order to win, you will need the highest percentage of possible points in your competition. In the NFBC, you will need approximately 84.3% of all available points in order to win. To look at a specific year, we will see more detail.



Last year, the champion, David DiDonato had 85.7% of all available points, the runner up had 79.1% of all available points. To be practical, David would have won with 79.2% of all available points. In 2006, there were 330 teams which means the most points available would be 3,000 (300 points * 10 categories). 79.2% of 3,300 equals 2613. If you break that down into each category, you need 261.5 points from each category. (Sure, you can get more in one and less in another, but I think you see the point.) In 2006, here is the total you would need in each category to have 261.5 points for that category.



Avg - .2843 Run – 1,152 HR – 293 RBI – 1,116 SB – 161



ERA – 4.087 Wins – 103 K – 1,185 Whip – 1.313 SV – 86



(Note, these totals won’t win every year, but they would have in 2006. You should also note the roughly 84.3% of all available points needed will be approximately, but not exactly the same as these totals each year. If that doesn’t make sense, yes, there will be more teams, but with 15 teams in each league, 295 HR will be give you close to 83% of all HR points available. The same will be true in each category. Set your target at about 104 wins to reach 83-85% of all available points. Adding more teams will raise how many points 83% of a category’s available point total, for example, 83% of 300 is 249. 83% of 330 is 274.



If you knew ahead of time what would be needed in each category to win would it affect your draft? Using the numbers above, which are now below:



Avg - .2843 Run – 1,152 HR – 293 RBI – 1,116 SB – 161



ERA – 4.087 Wins – 103 K – 1,185 Whip – 1.313 SV – 86



Each owner will have a target for each category. (For 2007, you can calculate the needed category total at the 83.4% level and find the average. Saves has already been done: 88, 98 and 97 leaves an average of 94.) I provide the rest for each category at the bottom for those interested, but for the example, we will look at last year’s totals.



Players will fall into two categories, pitchers or hitters. Each player can help you in a maximum of 5 categories. Some will help in less, but none will help in more.



Finding the percentage each player provides you towards reaching the target for each category if then broken down into a computable formula. Some categories are easy to find, while others, AVG, WHIP and ERA are a little more detailed because the totals a player provides don’t add to a total, like the other categories. We’ll look at the other categories first. Below the target for each category, you will see a percentage. Each time you add one additional stat for it’s particular target, you are that much closer to the total target. For example, each save is 1.16% of the total you need to get to 86 saves. So, if you have a pitcher who gets 40 saves, those 40 saves will be 46.4% of the total needed towards the saves target. Each run makes up .087% of the target total of 1,152. If you have a hitter who scores 95 runs, he will provide 8.265% of the target total.



Run – 1,152 = 0.087%/per run (towards target total)

HR – 293 0.341%/per HR (towards target total)

RBI – 1,116 0.090%/per run (towards target total)

SB – 161 0.621%/per SB (towards target total)



Wins – 103 = 0.97%/Win (towards target total)

K – 1,185 = 0.084%/K (towards target total)

SV – 86 = 1.16%/SV (towards target total)





You can calculate the total percentage points each player provides for each of the categories, based on your projections. The other 3 categories also have a percentage that a player provides towards getting to the target total. Since the categories are weighted by innings pitched, earned runs, at bats, hits, etc, you must take into account the different weights each player provides.



This is where things can get somewhat tricky, but you need to take a look at the expected at bats and innings pitched a team will provide. The research I have done indicates that an average team will compile 7,413 at bats during the season. In order to achieve a team batting average of .2843, you will need 2,108 hits in those 7,413 at bats. Your pitching staff will have a wider range, depending on your starters to relievers ratio. Your team’s pitchers will average about 1,463 innings. (Again that will change depending on your starters and relievers, but for this example, we will stay with 1,463 IP.) With these baselines, you will be able to weight the numbers both hitters and pitchers will carry based on their AB total and IP total.



To calculate the impact of a pitchers ERA, you need to get the projection for your pitcher. We’ll use a pitcher who pitches 200 innings and an ERA of 2.65. Remember, we are looking for an ERA of 4.087.



Find out the earned run total a pitcher with an ERA of 4.087 and 200IP would have. (200*4.087)/9 = 90.8 runs



Find the earned run total a pitcher with an ERA of 2.65 and 200IP would have. (200*2.65)/9 = 58.9 runs



Determine the difference between the two totals. 90.8 – 58.9 = 31.9



Divide the difference by the average performer’s earned run total to find the percentage earned runs saved. (31.9/90.8 = .351 or 35.1%)



Calculate the percentage of total expected IP this pitcher has provided. (200/1463=13.67%).



200 IP is 13.67% of all IP your team will have.

Take this percentage and divide into 100. (100/13.67=7.315)



Take the total from step 6 and divide it into the percentage from step 4. (7.315/35.1= 4.799)

4.799 is this pitchers ERA point total. It does not mean this pitcher will gain you 4.799 points in that category. It is a total based on the calculation. (All of these totals are referred to as total value points, whether they are a calculation total or an actual percentage. You will be using these total value points later to calculate each players contribution to a category.)



Calculate the total for each pitcher.



Whip is another weighted category. You will also be using a set of steps to come to a Whip category total, as you did with ERA. We’ll use the same 200 IP as our example and assume the pitcher has a whip of 1.05.

1. Find the difference between the target whip total and this pitcher’s whip. (1.313-1.05=.263)

2. Find the percentage difference between the target whip and the subtracted difference from step 1.

(.263/1.313=.2003 or 20.03).

3. Take the percentage from step 2 and multiply by the percentage of IP/100 this pitcher provides.

(Calculated in ERA step 5 above) (20.03*(13.67/100))=2.738

4. This is your Whip Calculation Total.



The last category that we need to calculate a point total for is batting average. We are looking for an average of .2843 We’ll assume we have a hitter with 650 at bats and a .2815 avg.



1. Take the batter’s projected average and subtract it from the Target average and divide by the target avg and multiply this total by 100. (Make sure you place the projected hitter’s avg FIRST, then subtract the target avg. If the projected avg is less than the target, you will have a negative number.) (.2815-.2843)/.2843 *100= -.985)



2. Find the percentage of total at bats this hitter will provide. Leave in decimal form! (650/7,413=.088)



3. Multiply the total from step 1 and the total from step 2. (-.985*.088= -.087) Make sure you have a negative total if the projected average is below the target avg.



Ok, if you are still with me, you know how to get a total for each category scored as it relates to your target score, and is also weighted by the total number of at bats or innings pitched each player provides.



Calculate this total for each player you are doing projections for. After you have each player done, you should have 5 scores for hitters, one for each category, keeping in mind average can be negative. You will also have 5 categories for pitchers. (Starters will have a 0 under saves, so they contribute to 4 categories.)



In order to rank the players, you have to first compare their scored categories. For every hitter, you should have a total for avg, runs, hr, rbi and sb. (Runs, HR, rbi and sb will all be a percentage total, while avg is a calculation total.) Pitchers will have a total for era, wins, whip, K, sv. (Wins, K’s and Saves will be a percentage total; while ERA and Whip are a calculated point total.). Make sure all percentage totals all converted to decimals carried out to the third digit. For example, if a pitcher has 43.2% of your target save total, the column this total is in should show .432. Each column, whether it’s a percentage or a calculation should be multiplied by .2. This is done to represent the 5 different categories a player can contribute to, giving each equal weight of 20%.



Sort the each column to find the highest total for each category. While this player cannot provide you with 100% of any of the stat targets needed, this player’s represents 100% of the highest total available that an individual player can contribute. Let’s take a look at an example of possible total value points for wins:



Player A = 2.106 Player B = 2.054 Player C = 1.136 Player D = 0.227



Granted, it’s a small sample, but you will get the idea from it. The player with the highest total of Total Value Points will be given a Percentage total for that category of 100. After finding the highest total for a category, you take the player’s total value points for the category and divide by the highest total value points for the category and then multiply by 100, just to change the decimal to a whole number. (This is the percentage the player can provide individually compared to the leader in that category.)



Player A (2.106/2.106=1*100=100)



Player B (2.054/2.106=.9753*100=97.53)



Player C (1.136/2.106=.5394*100=53.94)



Player D (.227/2.106=.1078*100=10.78)



You see a percentage total (without the percentage sign) that a player can contribute towards a target as compared to other players also contributing towards the target. The most points a player can have is 500. (They would have to have the highest Total Value Points in all 5 hitting categories.)



Once you have completed finding the percentage total for each category, you can add them all together. You may have pitchers and catchers on separate spreadsheets at this time, so that copying formulas was easier. You can now combine all totals to see who will provide the greatest impact towards reaching the totals needed to win the NFBC.



You can also compare the total value points amongst players at their positions to see a position scarcity total.





When I plugged in last years final stats, it has some surprising results.



Rank Player % Total

1 Santana Johan 400.272

2 Pujols Albert 344.156

3 Jeter Derek 330.433

4 Howard Ryan 322.291

5 HollidayMatt 307.675

6 Cabrera Miguel 305.023

7 Reyes Jose 304.494

8 GuerreroVladimi 300.593

9 CarpenterChris 298.512

10 Atkins Garrett 297.247

11 Webb Brandon 289.767

12 Dye Jermaine288.660

13 Berkman Lance 288.651

14 Utley Chase 288.106

15 Morneau Justin 281.673

16 Soriano Alfonso 280.788

17 Ortiz David 274.913

18 Lee Carlos 272.837

19 CrawfordCarl 272.528

20 Tejada Miguel 272.292

21 Suzuki Ichiro 271.703

22 Oswalt Roy 267.747

23 Wright David 267.090

24 HalladayRoy 265.129

25 Nathan Joe 257.989 I think I'm going to need a bigger Abacus! :eek:

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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:54 am
by poopy tooth
Enjoy the bashing!



To answer a few questions...

1. ARod was 27th overall.

2. Santana was .272 over 400. It's just decimal rounding that brought him over a little.

3. I just looked at several different explanations people have for creating their projections, and to me, it came down to 1 thing. The player who accumulates the most stats in each category is the most beneficial and will have the most impact. I know others would like to try and make more out of it than that, but really, to me, there's not. Maybe this won't work. It's my first year trying it, but we'll see how it works out.

4. As for Reyes being #1 overall, I just don't see it. I know people like to throw in position scarcity, but even with it, he's not most valuable to me last year. He's was 7th and not very far from #3 overall, so I don't understand why you would make it seem like he was ranked out of the top 25 or something.



I guess we'll have to wait until the end of the year to see how it worked out for me. I'm in 8 or 9 leagues, so there will be a large sample to dissect at season's end.



Good luck to all. Feel free to go on to my web site and print out my 2007 projections and bring them to the draft or satellite leagues if we are in any together. (Even those in ultamite. You'll get a good idea of who I'm selecting and where.) Not worried about it. If I'm so far off, then no one will have interest in my picks or draft methods anyway.



Good luck all!



Gekko - Thank you for ensuring the mixed auction was filled. I could use the extra winnings! :D

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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:15 am
by cindy
For the life of me, I cannot believe how much information and advice people are willing to divulge on these boards. It's almost as if people want to be admired for their intelligence rather than win the money. Why in the world would you do all that work and then post it on the message board for anyone to use?

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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:21 am
by Dak
Originally posted by cindy:

For the life of me, I cannot believe how much information and advice people are willing to divulge on these boards. It's almost as if people want to be admired for their intelligence rather than win the money. Why in the world would you do all that work and then post it on the message board for anyone to use? It's called "Gekko" misinformation! ;)

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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:08 am
by DOUGHBOYS
Originally posted by cindy:

For the life of me, I cannot believe how much information and advice people are willing to divulge on these boards. It's almost as if people want to be admired for their intelligence rather than win the money. Why in the world would you do all that work and then post it on the message board for anyone to use? 1. I didn't finish reading the post, I don't think I'm alone.



2. How many people will sign up only to use somebody strange to them's "system".



3. A pen, a Big Chief tablet, and your own opinions will do just as well.

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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:35 am
by Dirt Dogs
A-Rod isnt even in my top 50! I like your calculations i think they are right on ;)

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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:50 am
by Chest Rockwell
Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by cindy:

For the life of me, I cannot believe how much information and advice people are willing to divulge on these boards. It's almost as if people want to be admired for their intelligence rather than win the money. Why in the world would you do all that work and then post it on the message board for anyone to use? 1. I didn't finish reading the post, I don't think I'm alone.



2. How many people will sign up only to use somebody strange to them's "system".



3. A pen, a Big Chief tablet, and your own opinions will do just as well.
[/QUOTE]I think you both have it nailed- Cindy I can guarantee you that if I have the choice between taking your money and proving to you that I know baseball I will take your money all day long. I thought at the end of the post it was going to be the old Saturday night live skit where the guy says all of the self affirming stuff in the mirror. I am good enough....



With that said I will not be dishonest with people if you PM for an opinion if I answer it the opinion will be an honest one.



I think Gekko's contest proves what people will do to prove some knowledge- lots of good people gave lots of good answers there. I know I learned a few things, thanks. Do I think I had some better answers on a few questions sure, but I have to compete against you all in a few weeks.



As far as redsox nation- Arod not in your top 50 come on?

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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:55 am
by Dirt Dogs
What team does he play for? I would rather lose my money than have a yankee on my fantasy team. How can i cheer when he goes yard. And when his therapy sessions dont help him again this year I wont be able to look myself in the mirror knowing i drafted him.



GO SOX!

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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:08 am
by Quahogs
Originally posted by RedSox Nation 2:

What team does he play for? I would rather lose my money than have a yankee on my fantasy team. How can i cheer when he goes yard. And when his therapy sessions dont help him again this year I wont be able to look myself in the mirror knowing i drafted him.



GO SOX! LOL, do you think D.Ortiz gives a grap if you're struggling to make rent or just got laid off ? Not one player gives a hoot so you have to watch your own back. To pass on Arod or Jeter or Abreu in the 3rd round cause you cant stand dem yanks is a horrible waste of $. To each their own of course



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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 5:24 am
by headhunters
sometimes it helps to be a sox fan- a white sox fan. we all passed on d. lee last year!

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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 5:53 am
by Mudster
Poopytooth- You asked if your math is wrong. Yes it is, for the whip, era and ba catagories. I use the same evaluation system and it took me getting into a drunken stupor to come up with the formula for the decimal catagories. When I woke up the next morning and saw what I had come up with, I was in disbelief. As Cindy put it, it was too much time invested to just toss it out onto the boards for all to see (not that anyone would take it as real information because i'm not a top ten(as gecko put it)). Let's just say that once you do figure it out, you'll be amazed at how easy it is and you'll know that you don't have to ask if the math is right. Best of luck on the number crunching.

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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:27 am
by poopy tooth
Website slogan sugggestion. Rotowin: Putting the "geek" in rotogeek since 2007. 3 served. Thanks Harry! Still 3 more than your D&D web site.



Mudster, thank you. I was looking for a review of the process. I'll check the math.



As for the overall strategy, I think it's pretty good. Was not meant as disinformation, but to each his own.



I don't mind putting the strategy out there. Most people won't use it or won't read it anyway, but I can learn from those who do help out. I don't see the harm. Anyone can get a good idea of the draft order by participating in a few satellite leagues. For the most part, people follow a lot of the same order, at least first few rounds, with only the occasional surprise.

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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:37 am
by bjoak
As for Reyes being #1 overall, I just don't see it. I know people like to throw in position scarcity, but even with it, he's not most valuable to me last year. He's was 7th and not very far from #3 overall, so I don't understand why you would make it seem like he was ranked out of the top 25 or something.



I guess we'll have to wait until the end of the year to see how it worked out for me. I'm in 8 or 9 leagues, so there will be a large sample to dissect at season's end.

Reyes had the most value with or without positional scarcity taken into account by most valuation systems. Captain Hook and Zola had a whole thread on this and found we all came to the same conclusion independant of one another. There was one guy who had Pujols and he later pretty much admitted that he was subjectively deciding the value of stolen bases.



My cursory examination of your initial post tells me you haven't established a baseline. If the players have very little variation in value based on rbi's, runs, and average, that is the reason why.



If I'm so far off, then no one will have interest in my picks or draft methods anyway.

Never said you were far off or that you wouldn't do well--just that your system was somewhat inaccurate. You seem like a pretty bright guy (though I agree with what cindy said) and even an inaccurate valuation system can be a useful tool if it helps you get the final totals you need so I think you'll do pretty well.