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THE MOST BORING PLAYER OF 2016

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 11:01 am
by DOUGHBOYS
A former batting coach for Yasiel Puig does not see a good future for Puig. Jon Valentin cites concentration issues in being Puig's chief nemesis. He stated that Puig could have a two or three game series, playing well, then something happens and Puig is back to being Puig.
Valentin has no ax to grind. He says that Puig is a nice kid. Doesn't smoke, party, or drink.
Just can't keep his head in the game.

This got me thinking in an abstract sort of way. I've always found Puig entertaining. More entertaining than talented.
Puig is a great athlete, trapped in a game that doesn't require supreme athleticism. As a baseball player, instincts put some players above sheer athleticism. It's what made Derek Jeter one of the best players. Mike Trout too. And it helps in holding back talent like Bryce Harper.

Instincts are not a statistic. Sabermetricians and folks like Brian Kenny cannot wrap their head around instincts. They also poo poo a good clubhouse player and think that concentration, instincts, and being a good clubhouse guy are all incidental and pedestrian.
They can't measure it in a Numerish way, so it is ignored by the group.

Anyway, the previous paragraphs were a lead in. There is a polar opposite of Yasiel Puig in baseball. I will not reveal his name until the last paragraph. There will be all sorts of hints, both by numbers and history for you to guess this player.
A player we can call...

THE MOST BORING PLAYER OF 2016

He wasn't always boring. In fact, when he arrived in the Majors, fans, especially his hometown fans thought that he was a sure-fire Hall of Famer. And for the first few years, he played well enough for fans to think that the best was yet to come.
Being the polar opposite of Puig, he had great concentration, wonderful baseball instincts, and the team could not ask for not only a better clubhouse guy, but leader.

In his sixth year in the Majors, he had his career year. It was a blessing and a curse. The numbers had fans thinking that this was the year that would springboard him towards Hall of Fame....fame.
It didn't happen.
And it hasn't happened since.
That year became his 'Ellsbury year' or his 'Headley year' or his 'Brady Anderson year' without the PED's.
He would never take PED's.
He doesn't have to, he got a contract that set him up for life.

He has been boring for years. This is born out in that he played 24 less games than the previous year, and his WAR actually went up by almost a full point.
Last year, he was so boring that he saw 4.28 pitches per at bat (fifth in all of baseball), 2,466 pitches in all...and only had 37 extra base hits.
He hits in the top third of his lineup every year. Yet, fantasy players virtually ignore him.
This year, his ADP falling to a career low of 402 currently.

He had 32 at bats from the leadoff spot last year.
Probably the most excitement this boring player has had in a long time.
It didn't work.
He scored one run. On a home run. By him.
He stole two bases.
Both times, second base was heard to be muttering, "WTF?"

Do you know who he is yet?

He has never had 100 rbi or 100 runs scored.
His career year was 2009 when he hit 28 homers. He hasn't hit half that many homers in a season, before or since.
When fantasy relevant, his career batting average was .323 at a position coveted by fantasy players.
Since that position change, he has hit .267
Last year, his mundane and boring batting line was .261/68/11/49/2
Not one of those numbers better than even Denard Span.
The 11 home runs ranking him 193rd in baseball. Where boring players live.
Yet, broadcasters say he is one of the best players in baseball
Ultimately, his best statistic may be in his contract.
He'll probably retire from baseball with more millions than home runs.
Last year, 23 million dollars, more than doubling his home run totals.

Do you know yet?
This paragraph will give it away if not.
He was once Buster Posey-like in drafts. One of the first catchers taken.
Although not guaranteed of power, his average would always help at a position where batting average was hard to find.
Since changing from catcher to first base three years ago, he has become the opposite of the' most interesting man in the world'.
The polar opposite of Yasiel Puig.
He has become----- without power.
The most boring baseball player of 2016.

Joe Mauer.

Re: THE MOST BORING PLAYER OF 2016

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 11:09 am
by KJ Duke
He wasn't always boring.
... at this point I knew the answer. :)

Re: THE MOST BORING PLAYER OF 2016

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:13 pm
by headhunters
what they need to do with brian kenney and his endless chatter about all things "not real" like 7th vs 8th vs 9th inning is this: take a 2 by 4 out in the studio and have him walk on it- like we all used to walk on the curb as kids. brian- that is the 7th inning. then go to a gym and get the board about 1 1/2 stories up- where if he falls he breaks his leg. have him walk across - brian- that is the 8th inning. Then take that board and get it across 2 forty story high buildings and have him walk across. as he is falling you can yell out- brian that was the ninth inning.

Re: THE MOST BORING PLAYER OF 2016

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:43 pm
by Yah Mule
He would make an interesting Hall of Fame case, although the Hall has always mishandled catchers (and most other things) and continues to do so with the recent one-and-done treatment Jorge Posada received.

Three batting titles and a lifetime BA over .308. In fact, his BA as a catcher only is .328 and his OPS is .889. That .328 BA is higher than any other catcher in history. Also higher than Wagner, Carew and Boggs. It should also be noted that concussions forced him out from behind the plate prematurely. If Posey had to stop catching tomorrow, his HOF case would be severely damaged, too.

Ross Barnes, Pete Browning, Bill Madlock, Tony Oliva and (ridiculously) Larry Walker are the only three time batting champions locked out of Cooperstown. I think Mauer has a shot at being number six on the list.

Re: THE MOST BORING PLAYER OF 2016

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:00 pm
by headhunters
i don't think mauer has any shot at the hall. i also think those concussions are hurting his hitting even now.

Re: THE MOST BORING PLAYER OF 2016

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:00 pm
by KJ Duke
Yah Mule wrote:He would make an interesting Hall of Fame case, although the Hall has always mishandled catchers (and most other things) and continues to do so with the recent one-and-done treatment Jorge Posada received.

Three batting titles and a lifetime BA over .308. In fact, his BA as a catcher only is .328 and his OPS is .889. That .328 BA is higher than any other catcher in history. Also higher than Wagner, Carew and Boggs. It should also be noted that concussions forced him out from behind the plate prematurely. If Posey had to stop catching tomorrow, his HOF case would be severely damaged, too.

Ross Barnes, Pete Browning, Bill Madlock, Tony Oliva and (ridiculously) Larry Walker are the only three time batting champions locked out of Cooperstown. I think Mauer has a shot at being number six on the list.
I'd put Mauer's HOF chances just north of 0.00%.

Re: THE MOST BORING PLAYER OF 2016

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:20 pm
by DOUGHBOYS
I agree with Mike and KJ. Absolutely zero chance.
Any chance he had was lost with the switch to 1B and the mediocrity in stats that followed.
Batting average alone, does not make a Hall of Fame player.
Never a significant playoff player. Not a run producer. No speed. No power.
Just very little to even have somebody mention Hall of Fame.

Yankee fans have stated that CC Sabathia's portion of their payroll is hard to endure.
Mauer with the low budget Twins is far worse.
After 2018, when he gets his last 23 million simoleans, he'll be in a situation very much like Jeter.
The big difference being that the Twins can't even match what the Yankees offered Jeter after his prime was done.
Will the hometown kid go elsewhere?

Re: THE MOST BORING PLAYER OF 2016

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:36 pm
by Bronx Yankees
DOUGHBOYS wrote:The most boring baseball player of 2016.

Joe Mauer.
Didn't he win that award in 2014 and 2015 as well?

Really, other than Josh Hamilton, does anyone make more money who doesn't get drafted until the reserve rounds? He is the antithesis of value. (Actually, Sabathia might be in that discussion as well; can't recall who makes more.)

Mike

Re: THE MOST BORING PLAYER OF 2016

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:01 pm
by NorCalAtlFan
Bronx Yankees wrote:
DOUGHBOYS wrote:The most boring baseball player of 2016.

Joe Mauer.
Didn't he win that award in 2014 and 2015 as well?

Really, other than Josh Hamilton, does anyone make more money who doesn't get drafted until the reserve rounds? He is the antithesis of value. (Actually, Sabathia might be in that discussion as well; can't recall who makes more.)

Mike
exactly.

thought Roberto Martin Antonio Bonilla is still enjoying the fruits of his Mutts tenure 45 years after his retirement

Re: THE MOST BORING PLAYER OF 2016

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:12 pm
by Yah Mule
headhunters wrote:i don't think mauer has any shot at the hall. i also think those concussions are hurting his hitting even now.
I think they wrecked his career at least as much as Target Field did.

Re: THE MOST BORING PLAYER OF 2016

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:33 pm
by Bronx Yankees
NorCalAtlFan wrote:
Bronx Yankees wrote:
DOUGHBOYS wrote:The most boring baseball player of 2016.

Joe Mauer.
Didn't he win that award in 2014 and 2015 as well?

Really, other than Josh Hamilton, does anyone make more money who doesn't get drafted until the reserve rounds? He is the antithesis of value. (Actually, Sabathia might be in that discussion as well; can't recall who makes more.)

Mike
exactly.thought Roberto Martin Antonio Bonilla is still enjoying the fruits of his Mutts tenure 45 years after his retirement
That's right. The contract that just keeps giving. He is scheduled to be paid over a million dollars per year through 2035. For a "different" view of the Bonilla contract, there this take: http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/07/new-yor ... -2035-deal

Re: THE MOST BORING PLAYER OF 2016

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:07 pm
by Yah Mule
Bronx Yankees wrote:
NorCalAtlFan wrote:
Bronx Yankees wrote: Didn't he win that award in 2014 and 2015 as well?

Really, other than Josh Hamilton, does anyone make more money who doesn't get drafted until the reserve rounds? He is the antithesis of value. (Actually, Sabathia might be in that discussion as well; can't recall who makes more.)

Mike
exactly.thought Roberto Martin Antonio Bonilla is still enjoying the fruits of his Mutts tenure 45 years after his retirement
That's right. The contract that just keeps giving. He is scheduled to be paid over a million dollars per year through 2035. For a "different" view of the Bonilla contract, there this take: http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/07/new-yor ... -2035-deal
Good stuff. The Hampton connection made me laugh. If people thought Bonilla was surly as a Met, they should have caught Mike Hampton's act in Colorado. What a thoroughly unpleasant guy.

Re: THE MOST BORING PLAYER OF 2016

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:17 pm
by DJMDJM
Postby DJMDJM ยป Tue Aug 02, 2016 10:25 am

Ok, this is an odd one I came up with.

Joe Mauer, 1B
I am not sure his contract status, and I know he is the face of the franchise, but why not move this guy back to catcher. His output is horrible for a 1B. The Twins are potentially losing big numbers from another 1B. Yes he is not getting injured, but who cares. If he were a catcher, with less ab's, his productivity wouldn't be that much worse. And they would be getting production from a new 1B. Maybe the Twins fans actually go see this guy at the park and management feels that is more important than his actual production.
Any thoughts?

Thanks and have a nice day,

Dan

Like David Wright of the Mets, I would think that the Twins have some type of insurance on this guy. If he goes back behind the plate and gets injured, thus potentially forcing his retirement, wouldn't the Twins recoup some of his salary. Just seems like a big waste at 1B.