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March 28th - $100 satellite league - winner take all-



Team Name: Crazy Like a Fox



alias: Big Dog aka "dead money"



Pay-Per-View event of the year. Watch and critique the Big Dog. Why does he think he's the best? Watch his draft and find out why.

Draft starts at 4:00 p.m. Watch and learn Chesty.



You might disagree with my strategy in this draft, but it's one way to get an edge on the competition.

I trust you are an honorable man who believes in his abilities and will post your team for all to see.



[ March 28, 2007, 05:30 PM: Message edited by: The Mighty Men ]

Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

I trust you are an honorable man who believes in his abilities and will post your team for all to see. Here it is so far Chest has his peeps:



Jeter round 1- terrible

D Lee- pick 18 awful early, but decent

Vmart- terrible for round 3

Peavy

Putz- hope that elbow is ok

Jeff Kent- only about 4 rounds too early

Schilling

Hamels- round 8 actually a pick I like

Hawpe- banged up and round 9 the drinks really kicked in

R Hill- nice pick if it were round 13



Other Iannetta and Upton about 60-75 picks before their ADP. And my personal favorite Gomes round 17- you better hope Greg allows Durham's stats to count.



Will take an act of God for that team to crack top 5 Doggy style.



It is one thing to go after your guys when you like them, IE bjoak 2nd place finish in 06, it is another to just consistently go 4 rounds early and end up with a pile of cow sh!t. Mooooo!



Poor doughboys is going to break in to deep sweat when he sees this one.

Big Dog - Out of pity for you, I take it back. You should not post your team. Save yourself the inevitable verbal beating you would endure.

I'm not embarrassed of my team. Chest was going to be critical of my team regardless of who I picked. How's that for objective?



Here it is. I don't need anyone's approval, just posting because someone asked.



Yeah, the Jeter pick was early, I contend it was not a great pick, but 13th isn't the ideal spot to draft either. Wish I came out of draft with 3 closers, that was bad management right there.



My pitching staff is better than most and my offense I think will be underrated. We'll see.



After 4 hours of draft time, I think I have a team that can compete. What more can I say? The proof is in the pudding.



Final Roster

Pos Name Team Pick

C Victor Martinez CLE R3 P13 Comment

C Chris Iannetta COL R12 P3 Comment

1B Derrek Lee CHC R2 P3 Comment

1B Ryan Shealy KC R15 P13 Comment

1B Ryan Garko CLE R24 P3 Comment

2B Jeff Kent LA R6 P3 Comment

2B Mark Ellis OAK R29 P13 Comment

SS Derek Jeter NYY R1 P13 Comment

SS Rich Aurilia SF R20 P3 Comment

SS Ryan Theriot CHC R28 P3 Comment

3B Hank Blalock TEX R13 P13 Comment

3B B.J. Upton TB R16 P3 Comment

OF Brad Hawpe COL R9 P13 Comment

OF Moises Alou NYM R14 P3 Comment

OF Jonny Gomes TB R17 P13 Comment

OF Randy Winn SF R18 P3 Comment

OF Emil Brown KC R22 P3 Comment

OF Josh Hamilton CIN R23 P13 Comment

OF Luis Gonzalez LA R27 P13 Comment

P Jake Peavy SD R4 P3 Comment

P J.J. Putz SEA R5 P13 Comment

P Curt Schilling BOS R7 P13 Comment

P Cole Hamels PHI R8 P3 Comment

P Rich Hill CHC R10 P3 Comment

P Armando Benitez SF R11 P13 Comment

P Jeremy Sowers CLE R19 P13 Comment

P Dan Wheeler HOU R21 P13 Comment

P Noah Lowry SF R25 P13 Comment

P Tom Gorzelanny PIT R26 P3 Comment

P Mike Stanton CIN R30 P3 Comment

Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

I'm not embarrassed of my team. Chest was going to be critical of my team regardless of who I picked. How's that for objective?



Here it is. I don't need anyone's approval, just posting because someone asked.



Yeah, the Jeter pick was early, I contend it was not a great pick, but 13th isn't the ideal spot to draft either. Wish I came out of draft with 3 closers, that was bad management right there.



My pitching staff is better than most and my offense I think will be underrated. We'll see.



After 4 hours of draft time, I think I have a team that can compete. What more can I say? The proof is in the pudding.



Final Roster

Pos Name Team Pick

C Victor Martinez CLE R3 P13 Comment

C Chris Iannetta COL R12 P3 Comment

1B Derrek Lee CHC R2 P3 Comment

1B Ryan Shealy KC R15 P13 Comment

1B Ryan Garko CLE R24 P3 Comment

2B Jeff Kent LA R6 P3 Comment

2B Mark Ellis OAK R29 P13 Comment

SS Derek Jeter NYY R1 P13 Comment

SS Rich Aurilia SF R20 P3 Comment

SS Ryan Theriot CHC R28 P3 Comment

3B Hank Blalock TEX R13 P13 Comment

3B B.J. Upton TB R16 P3 Comment

OF Brad Hawpe COL R9 P13 Comment

OF Moises Alou NYM R14 P3 Comment

OF Jonny Gomes TB R17 P13 Comment

OF Randy Winn SF R18 P3 Comment

OF Emil Brown KC R22 P3 Comment

OF Josh Hamilton CIN R23 P13 Comment

OF Luis Gonzalez LA R27 P13 Comment

P Jake Peavy SD R4 P3 Comment

P J.J. Putz SEA R5 P13 Comment

P Curt Schilling BOS R7 P13 Comment

P Cole Hamels PHI R8 P3 Comment

P Rich Hill CHC R10 P3 Comment

P Armando Benitez SF R11 P13 Comment

P Jeremy Sowers CLE R19 P13 Comment

P Dan Wheeler HOU R21 P13 Comment

P Noah Lowry SF R25 P13 Comment

P Tom Gorzelanny PIT R26 P3 Comment

P Mike Stanton CIN R30 P3 Comment 3 of your first 10 picks are higher than ANY draft spot they went in the 28 main event leagues. An accomplishment even you would not be able to pull off. That outfield makes me shiver.



Picks I liked Hamels, Wheeler, Lowry (you read my article find that arm angle soon Noah), Shealy (like that a lot), and Lou Gonz.



I know you think I am just picking on you- it will be interesting to see if you get any overall positive evaluations on that.



Beauty of it is- games start soon and we find out if you truely are the Nats of fantasy baseball.

In my opinion...



Your pitching is fine, but your offense is in trouble. However in your defense, if Jeter has a year like last year, he will have turned out to be a worthy 1st round pick, and V Martinez at pick 43 is a good pick, regardless of what Chest says...



1/3 of the top 30 catchers have a negative value, therefore grabbing a top catcher a couple of rounds early, instead of ending up with a negative-value catcher later on while others draft positive value players, is a smart move.

If Randy Wolf faced Jeff Francis one fine saturday evening, it could totally be conceivable that you would see ZERO AB's from your OF's that day.



Q

Originally posted by SluggoJD:

In my opinion...



Your pitching is fine, but your offense is in trouble. However in your defense, if Jeter has a year like last year, he will have turned out to be a worthy 1st round pick, and V Martinez at pick 43 is a good pick, regardless of what Chest says...



1/3 of the top 30 catchers have a negative value, therefore grabbing a top catcher a couple of rounds early, instead of ending up with a negative-value catcher later on while others draft positive value players, is a smart move. VMart at 43 is not terrible and if I said it I misspoke- my personal preference in 07 was Kenji or Barrett in the 10th vs VMart in the 3rd. Way too many other terrible picks to get caught up in that one.

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by SluggoJD:

In my opinion...



Your pitching is fine, but your offense is in trouble. However in your defense, if Jeter has a year like last year, he will have turned out to be a worthy 1st round pick, and V Martinez at pick 43 is a good pick, regardless of what Chest says...



1/3 of the top 30 catchers have a negative value, therefore grabbing a top catcher a couple of rounds early, instead of ending up with a negative-value catcher later on while others draft positive value players, is a smart move. VMart at 43 is not terrible and if I said it I misspoke- my personal preference in 07 was Kenji or Barrett in the 10th vs VMart in the 3rd. Way too many other terrible picks to get caught up in that one. AND IMO his starting pitching is more than fine- if he plays FAAB correctly and gets one or two more- just not deep enough [/QUOTE]

Well Chest, you did say it...just scroll up! lol



I think we all should keep in mind that the dog is only competing against 14 other teams, not 374. If his pitching scores as high as it looks on paper, and his AVG, runs and SBs turn out decent, he'll be close. That's a "big if" though.



I'm gonna behave now...I think trash talk hour is over

BTW Chest, congrats on your milestone post #1000.

Originally posted by SluggoJD:

In my opinion...



Your pitching is fine, but your offense is in trouble. However in your defense, if Jeter has a year like last year, he will have turned out to be a worthy 1st round pick, and V Martinez at pick 43 is a good pick, regardless of what Chest says...



1/3 of the top 30 catchers have a negative value, therefore grabbing a top catcher a couple of rounds early, instead of ending up with a negative-value catcher later on while others draft positive value players, is a smart move. My offense is questionable at best I know. I did the best I could, I hope it's good enough.



I'm big on Iannetta. I think he has a terrific year in Colorado. D.Lee, Kent, Jeter, V-Mart, Hawpe, Alou, Shealy - Upton w/ 45 steals - not a horrible offense, I think it will surprise. Of course I like Gomes, but it's difficult to hype him here when he's gotten bashed so hard. I really think he's got big time power potential, he just needs at-bats and consistency.



My pitching is going to be very good, easily top 5 amongst my league with the potential to be dominant. I need another closer, I think there's a decent chance that Wheeler ends up with the job in a couple months, we'll see.

Originally posted by SluggoJD:

BTW Chest, congrats on your milestone post #1000. Thanks- I looked to return the favor and congratulate you on something but all I found were 3 12th place finishes and a 14th place finish, so I will have to wait until you beat me in that content league, but then I will congratulate you. Now trash talk hour is over.

Or, perhaps trash talk hour is just starting



I readily admitted up above that my clowns sucked. I still haven't seen you readily admit that you're an arrogant ass. Perhaps before the season is over.



And let's see how you will do with 8 people on DL at the same time. Here's to hoping!



John

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by SluggoJD:

BTW Chest, congrats on your milestone post #1000. Thanks- I looked to return the favor and congratulate you on something but all I found were 3 12th place finishes and a 14th place finish, so I will have to wait until you beat me in that content league, but then I will congratulate you. Now trash talk hour is over. [/QUOTE]You are so funny. I thought the content panel was supposed to have...never mind.



Chest, how is it possible that I am like 2 places behind you in the overall and 10 posts behind you on the mb. I will have to beef it up so I can get ahead of you in something.



[ March 29, 2007, 12:06 AM: Message edited by: bjoak ]

Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

I'm not embarrassed of my team. Chest was going to be critical of my team regardless of who I picked. How's that for objective?



Here it is. I don't need anyone's approval, just posting because someone asked.



Yeah, the Jeter pick was early, I contend it was not a great pick, but 13th isn't the ideal spot to draft either. Wish I came out of draft with 3 closers, that was bad management right there.



My pitching staff is better than most and my offense I think will be underrated. We'll see.



After 4 hours of draft time, I think I have a team that can compete. What more can I say? The proof is in the pudding.



Final Roster

Pos Name Team Pick

C Victor Martinez CLE R3 P13 Comment

C Chris Iannetta COL R12 P3 Comment

1B Derrek Lee CHC R2 P3 Comment

1B Ryan Shealy KC R15 P13 Comment

1B Ryan Garko CLE R24 P3 Comment

2B Jeff Kent LA R6 P3 Comment

2B Mark Ellis OAK R29 P13 Comment

SS Derek Jeter NYY R1 P13 Comment

SS Rich Aurilia SF R20 P3 Comment

SS Ryan Theriot CHC R28 P3 Comment

3B Hank Blalock TEX R13 P13 Comment

3B B.J. Upton TB R16 P3 Comment

OF Brad Hawpe COL R9 P13 Comment

OF Moises Alou NYM R14 P3 Comment

OF Jonny Gomes TB R17 P13 Comment

OF Randy Winn SF R18 P3 Comment

OF Emil Brown KC R22 P3 Comment

OF Josh Hamilton CIN R23 P13 Comment

OF Luis Gonzalez LA R27 P13 Comment

P Jake Peavy SD R4 P3 Comment

P J.J. Putz SEA R5 P13 Comment

P Curt Schilling BOS R7 P13 Comment

P Cole Hamels PHI R8 P3 Comment

P Rich Hill CHC R10 P3 Comment

P Armando Benitez SF R11 P13 Comment

P Jeremy Sowers CLE R19 P13 Comment

P Dan Wheeler HOU R21 P13 Comment

P Noah Lowry SF R25 P13 Comment

P Tom Gorzelanny PIT R26 P3 Comment

P Mike Stanton CIN R30 P3 Comment No kidding, I think it takes a big person to go through what you've gone through here and then post your team in which you reached a lot. That's the measure of a man right there.



That said, ugh. Jeter you could have had in the 2nd but if you really wanted him and Lee it makes sense. Still, there is not any kind of data on Jeter that suggests he can keep up the BA--not sure what you're expecting from him. He is at least equivalent to Rollins. Not sure what you were thinking in Round 3 either. 1. If McCann is dead, it's news to me. 2. This is like the earliest V Mar has ever gone. Putz, it's like you aren't even aware of his elbow problem. Kent is just a dumb pick like you pressed the button by accident. Hawpe way too early but I might actually like him there if I had any kind of confidence Colarado will play him every day...we shall see. Hill I am not a fan of but he makes sense to take there if yo are big on him and you could be right.



I'm not going to go through the later picks but I do like a lot of those. I have no problem whatsoever with the Gomes pick. Even the Pessimists should think he has a Giambi-like upside. Brown, Winn, Upton, Aurilia, Luis Gonzalez, and Lowry (Chest's sleeper!) could show you are as smart as you profess to be.



I think your offense has a chance of working out, but my caveat as usual is where are your seven pitchers? And it somehow seems that this team needs one more real closer. You have a real chance of ending up with 10 saves between those guys if things go bad.

"I think it takes a big person to go through what you've gone through here and then post your team in which you reached a lot. That's the measure of a man right there."



thanks Bjoak.



I talked a big game, but I have to say, 15 team league with 30 players.......WOW! Overwhelming.



You guys were right. It is tough. Never been apart of a draft that was this hard. Wasn't sure how many starting pitchers to carry, how many closers. I guess this is a learning experience for me.



I certainly don't shy away from my picks. V-Mart so early is because of the Mauer injury. Granted, Mauer isn't hurt real bad, but it strengthens my case for V-Mart being the #1 catcher out there. Kent is a top 5 second baseman this year. I know how old he is, I know he was injured last year (for the first time in what, 7 years?) He came back last year and was his old self.



My outfield is suspect, very suspect.



I appreciate your comments Bjoak.

Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

"I think it takes a big person to go through what you've gone through here and then post your team in which you reached a lot. That's the measure of a man right there."



thanks Bjoak.



I talked a big game, but I have to say, 15 team league with 30 players.......WOW! Overwhelming.



You guys were right. It is tough. Never been apart of a draft that was this hard. Wasn't sure how many starting pitchers to carry, how many closers. I guess this is a learning experience for me.



I certainly don't shy away from my picks. V-Mart so early is because of the Mauer injury. Granted, Mauer isn't hurt real bad, but it strengthens my case for V-Mart being the #1 catcher out there. Kent is a top 5 second baseman this year. I know how old he is, I know he was injured last year (for the first time in what, 7 years?) He came back last year and was his old self.



My outfield is suspect, very suspect.



I appreciate your comments Bjoak. In all seriousness Big Dog you made the same mistakes most do the first time people play this format. I avoided a couple of them because people helped me. I still remember KOQ telling me to scrap a 1-450 rankings that it was worthless big help.



4 thoughts on that team that are meant to be constructive.



1) Speed- most people miss getting enough speed the first time they draft in this format. Even if Upton runs a ton you still may have issues.

2) Never draft 3 closers, bjoak is the only guy I know who does it and ever does well with it. At least not 3 closers in the first 12 picks which is what it usually takes. I commend your Wheeler pick late you may already have 3. Also in those winner take all satellite's FAAB tends to get a little easier as people lose hope. You can get your 3rd closer on FAAB. What I hate about your closer situation is both have injury risk and you did not back either of them up. Putz is impossible to back up IMO, but Benitez was. Drop Putz down and reach a bit for Brian Wilson. Are you 100% guaranteed even then, no but you are sitting better.

3) Your starting pitching is very good- but could disappoint you. Sure you should be good for 10's or above with those guys, better if they stay healthy. Get a little depth on FAAB to protect for injuries, and more importantly finding an extra starter or 2 who will not give back your front guys great performances.

4) Outfield in this format is a scarce position your's proves it. Read Jessie Herron's post in the draft thoughts- very good player and he was not scared going OF first 4 picks. Eric Peden another guy I respect a lot went OF first 3 picks in one of his satellites or something like that.



Bonus thought: I personally do not agree with your assesment with Jeff Kent- but even if you are right he probably will not outperform the spot you took him.



You are not the New York Yankees of fantasy baseball- Stevieland or Shawn Childs is, you are a guy who got his azz handed to him the first time at this level. Go out prove us wrong or at worst learn from it and be better next year.

Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

V-Mart so early is because of the Mauer injury. As the Geico caveman would say...What?



When the season starts what Mauer does will have absolutely no bearing on your team. If Utley had been hurt would you have elevated Kent (shudder) to the second or top of the third round? No relevance when constructing a draft.



I saw your team on another thread and told myself to be more constructive than harsh, I'll give it the old College try.

The biggest diffirence between a Yahoo draft and an NFBC draft is the planning or construction of your draft. You're still doing a Yahoo draft. Besides pinpointing certain players and using the Mauer injury information in a useless manner, there was no plan to your draft.

Taking Jeter in the first with Lee in the second doesen't put you too far behind without knowing who you passed up to get them. They'll give you help in all five categories. I'm thinking you're going for a balanced type of team, which is great. We've talked about Martinez at three which hurts but won't kill. Peavy at four, you're still doing ok, you've wrapped up an ace. Putz at five, you used your injury info with Mauer unwisely and do the same here, risking your 5th pick on a sore arm instead of getting a reliable one. Kent at six, again, what? A tell that there is no plan in place and that you are just stabbing at favorite players. While others are taking balance in all five categories, an ace, or big power or speed, you've saddled yourself with a 20-80 guy at six. Seventh and eighth we get back to pitching taking Schilling and Hamels. I personally don't like three starters with my first eight picks and a closer to boot, but thats all good. Your staff is looking great, though at the expense of your offense. Round nine, Hawpe, more Yahoo stabbing of personal favs, he would have been there rounds later. 10, Rich Hill, now I'm thinking that you want to dominate the pitching side and have your faves on offense show everybody else that you were right. If it were the Main draft, you'd already be dead money, you couldn't make up for the speed and power already lost in the first 10 rounds. Your pitching will keep you alive in a single league.

Now it falls apart completely. Benitez, Ianetta, Blalock...the carnage, the draft has unraveled. The MDC system would probably have made better picks for you and with just as much of a plan. During the next 20 rounds you've added next to nothing to that splendid starting staff that will really help. Your offense is, well, offencive. My best guess without seeing the other teams is that you'll finish middle of the pack or worse.

Silver linings are that you still have your 1300 smackers, you'll get to follow your favorite players, and that you'll still be the kingpen in your 11x11 league. I would imagine Gomes would be a God there since he doesen't make errors.

I'm sorry if I came across a little course(I was PM'ed that my draft analysis comes across like Simon on American Idol). I hope that along with the tough to take comments that you will use the constructive criticisms and come back and play in our sandbox next year.

I would add two comments:



1) I like the Rich Aurilia pick. IMO, he is a great late MI for this format, especially in the 20th round. I took him in several leagues for that purpose. If he can produce anywhere close to last year's numbers, which is questionable considering that he moved from Cincy to SF's ballpark, then he represents pure value.



2) If you can still win this league after making some of these drafting decisions, then you ARE the Big Dog. It will take some seriously good waiver wire moves. Good luck!

I commend Dogs for having enough hair on his "boys" to post his team...



It was a weird draft last night for sure? One no show, another guy late(bumping his replacement), and several players having computer problems which auto drafted some players, I think?

Any ways, I too drafted a lot of Very risky players and I'm pretty sure some will burn me bad? (ie: RJ, Prior, maybe even Sheets)



But, i wanted to draft a "different" type of team from my main and 1st satellite.



In the end, Dogs is already one up on me as I don't have the guts to post my team!!



PS: I also didn't feel his team was that bad, except his outfielders.



Faab on!!!

I cannot disagree with any of your assessments so far. I certainly did have a "I'm gonna get the players I like and I don't care what it takes to get them" mentality which could be the kiss of death.



I focused too hard on building an incredible infield (maybe a rookie mistake, I don't know) and forgoing the outfield until it was too late.



I did get away from my initial strategy of focusing on offense early as it is much more predictable and safer than pitching.



My draft management was pretty bad, looking back, after my first 10 picks it was hard to recover.



I am definitely listening and learning. It may not sound like it makes sense raising V-Mart's value because of Mauer's injury, it would if Mauer was done for the year, but you're right, it didn't make that much sense to pick him early based on that logic, or lackthereof.



I respect your opinions so far. It would be interesting to check out other teams to see how I fared.



On a side note, I think, even with bad draft management, my player assessments are right on. I think a top 5 finish this year should prove that.



Next year, I will do a better job at trying to get the best value at each draft spot and try to jump for players I happen to like.



Thanks for the input guys.



Glad to see I made some good picks, the season will determine how I did.

that being a single league- there are ways dog can win. he is not getting more than 5 points each for rbis and homers- but he could be within shouting distance of 10 points in the rest of his hitting. the pitching- he could easily get 65-70 points. sure he could get 50 or less if hamels and hill don't perform and/or peavy gets hurt. i like the odds that wheeler gets 20-30 saves just as much as i like the odds benitez doesn't make it past june 15- so if putz stays healthy he could have 80 saves. we will see how it plays out. not the team i would draft- because i am, for the most part, a value guy. one thing on value- and kent is a good example. in round 6 he is a bad value- but in rounds 9-10 imho opinion a guy like him starts being a great value. when you compare him to kinsler, barfield and kendrick- ya he is old- but he has done it. he is a pro and he can go 20-90-85 pretty easily with health.