Open Chat With Greg, Tom & Darik

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Re: Open Chat With Greg, Tom & Darik

Post by Gb2715 » Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:11 pm

So with the news that the owners won’t give another proposal what are expecting for games? 54 max? Ugh!!!!

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Re: Open Chat With Greg, Tom & Darik

Post by Wolfpac » Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:07 pm

For saving face I’m expecting owners to come back with 60 games. With a July 20 start and 10 week season.

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Re: Open Chat With Greg, Tom & Darik

Post by Gb2715 » Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:29 pm

Wolfpac wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:07 pm
For saving face I’m expecting owners to come back with 60 games. With a July 20 start and 10 week season.
Yay! Not!

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Re: Open Chat With Greg, Tom & Darik

Post by DOUGHBOYS » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:09 pm

Wolfpac wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:07 pm
For saving face I’m expecting owners to come back with 60 games. With a July 20 start and 10 week season.
Owners could care less about 'face'. Face has left the building.
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Re: Open Chat With Greg, Tom & Darik

Post by Gb2715 » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:49 pm

DOUGHBOYS wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:09 pm
Wolfpac wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:07 pm
For saving face I’m expecting owners to come back with 60 games. With a July 20 start and 10 week season.
Owners could care less about 'face'. Face has left the building.
Dan at this point I just want them to announce a start date and game’s! Before o completely check out!

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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:20 pm

Gb2715 wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:49 pm
DOUGHBOYS wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:09 pm
Wolfpac wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:07 pm
For saving face I’m expecting owners to come back with 60 games. With a July 20 start and 10 week season.
Owners could care less about 'face'. Face has left the building.
Dan at this point I just want them to announce a start date and game’s! Before o completely check out!
:D
They'll play, Greg.
The least amount of regular season games they can swing.
Getting to their money maker playoffs as soon as possible.
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Post by King of Queens » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:40 am

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Re: Open Chat With Greg, Tom & Darik

Post by Gb2715 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:35 pm

JFC!!!!! This is maddening!!! Now we have to work on the health and safety before we can do anything!!!! WTF!!!!! What if the players would have accepted their offer on Friday?

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Post by Wolfpac » Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:49 pm

I could be wrong but I think this is a clever stall PR tactic by owners. A good reason to run the clock a bit more then mandate a shorter season one which they always wanted to do and spin it as they gave in and gave the players what they ultimately wanted.

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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:45 pm

Nothing clever about it. Every day without baseball is a victory for the owners. Been that way since March.
We'll have an extremely shortened season.
Star players sitting out.
Corona Injury List.
And the two Spring Training sites are hotbeds for Corona right now.

There just isn't much going right for Joe Fan.
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Re: Open Chat With Greg, Tom & Darik

Post by Gb2715 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:21 pm

DOUGHBOYS wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:45 pm
Nothing clever about it. Every day without baseball is a victory for the owners. Been that way since March.
We'll have an extremely shortened season.
Star players sitting out.
Corona Injury List.
And the two Spring Training sites are hotbeds for Corona right now.

There just isn't much going right for Joe Fan.
And now Manfred 5 days after saying 100% a season is like nah probably won’t play. At best now we get that 54 game season! Damn it!!!!

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Post by COZ » Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:31 pm

Geezus, guys you're all worse than a cat chasing a laser point. None of this negotiation back n forth is real, it's so over the top. It’s all staged & fake. Joe Sheehan hiding in his little Twitter echo chamber is probably gonna write a 10k newsletter screed about the greedy owners & this labor strife like the typical knee-jerk reflex liberal champion of the worker that he is. So typical it's almost comical. Don’t believe your lying eyes. They already have an agreement from March with full pro-rated salaries, probably 70-74 games after July 4th. This is all staged fighting until we learn Covid-19 is a total HOAX. George Floyd death is fake. Race riots are staged & fake. The Drew Brees stuff is staged. Everything on TV news is fake. I often get confused myself by what is real & what is fake, but again our government is running a military psy-op propaganda on the American people & everything is FAKE. Once arrests are made & all is revealed then we will have baseball with full & packed stadiums & it will be glorious. Should be soon, hopefully his week.
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Post by Wolfpac » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:04 pm

Also I must agree with the ongoing sentiment on twitter that Heyman is a shill for MLB and it’s owners.

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Post by edsb41 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:52 pm

@JoePosnanski
It seems to come down to this: The baseball owners, who have made billions and been given sweetheart leases and absurd tax breaks and the legal freedom to run a monopoly, are unwilling to give back even a little to their communities and support the very game that they represent.

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Post by Gates » Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:34 am

DOUGHBOYS wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:20 pm
Gb2715 wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:49 pm
DOUGHBOYS wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:09 pm


Owners could care less about 'face'. Face has left the building.
Dan at this point I just want them to announce a start date and game’s! Before o completely check out!
:D
They'll play, Greg.
The least amount of regular season games they can swing.
Getting to their money maker playoffs as soon as possible.

Commish $ Owners have some balls accusing the MLBPA to slow down H&S talks and stop negotiation. They are the ones exactly doing that since the beginning. You mean to tell me the owners never realized they were coming with the same proposal every time. LOL And they are so scared of grievances they menace to cancel the Season. MLBPA outsmarted them by just asking when to report. Period. Anybody here ever heard of a company saying to the local union to come back negotiation when the union said to go ahead with whatever they wanna do?
Go ahead, make my day...

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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:03 am

Just a deplorable situation. Now that the owners have gotten what they want...to implement baseball at their choosing, they still have to kill more time to implement it in a way that is conducive to their pocketbooks.
When that time comes, the players may just tell them to take a hike.
Corona may be a bigger factor and wash away the whole damned season anyway.
Oh, what a tangled web the owners weave when practicing to deceive.
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Post by Yankees2009 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:22 am

If Manfred is truly worried about a virus and a 2nd wave and a 3d wave and a 4th wave, and if you think a virus actually washed out the season, why won’t it wash away season’s to come. Amazing how millions have been protesting and continue to protest 1 inch apart and not a peep about the Wuhan virus jeopardizing anyone.
For my part, MLB can take their 50 game season and shove it. Wonder how Landis or Giamatti would have handled this. I can’t believe like Manfred.

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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:57 am

Yankees2009 wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:22 am
If Manfred is truly worried about a virus and a 2nd wave and a 3d wave and a 4th wave, and if you think a virus actually washed out the season, why won’t it wash away season’s to come. Amazing how millions have been protesting and continue to protest 1 inch apart and not a peep about the Wuhan virus jeopardizing anyone.
For my part, MLB can take their 50 game season and shove it. Wonder how Landis or Giamatti would have handled this. I can’t believe like Manfred.
Funny, I'm reading up on past Commish's now.
Landis was a different time, but wouldn't have stood for it.
We'd be playing now.

Manfred was handpicked to follow Selig. He was Selig's right hand man in negotiations. Naturally, as a tough negotiator on the Owners side, the Owners liked what they saw.
But here's the problem....And it is HUGE.
For as much grief as Bud Selig took as Commish, he had very strong points.
Number one of those strong points was communication with each owner. This came easy to Selig in that he was a former owner himself and knew all the personalities in the room.
If needing votes for a "good for baseball, bad for the owners measure", he would call or meet with each owner to ask how to get it done.
During Selig's time, baseball flourished with no work stoppages.
I feel that's about to stop.

Manfred's agenda is about winning at negotiating. Not about what is best for the game.
His title is Commisioner of Baseball.
That means overseeing the game and doing what is best to make the game thrive.
An open mind is needed. An open heart is needed. Manfred shows neither.
Selig was a baseball fan. Manfred has not demonstrated the same.
Manfred has fallen into the trap that a couple of other previous Commish's have fallen.
Although his title is Commisioner of Baseball, he has handled his job as being the 31st owner.
30 Owners can say, "Owner good, player bad" all day. They can, because they're an owner. They have the right.
Manfred can't. Or shouldn't. But he has.
It's frustrating.

Bill Terry was a first baseman for the Giants in the 20's and 30's. He hit over.400 one year and has one of the top batting averages in the history of the game.
Always known as a good hitter, he was also a player that spoke his mind.
Here is a quote from Terry that stands up today.....

"Baseball must be the greatest game in the World!
How else would it survive the fools that run it!"
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Re: Open Chat With Greg, Tom & Darik

Post by Frozen Tundra » Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:17 am

Yes, fools indeed! While the names have changed, the owners have never gotten over losing the reserve clause.
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Re: Open Chat With Greg, Tom & Darik

Post by edsb41 » Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:28 am

@joe_sheehan:
2007: made money
2008: made money
2009: made money
2010: made money
2011: made money
2012: made money
2013: made money
2014: made money
2015: made money
2016: made money
2017: made money
2018: made money
2019: made money
2020: threw a massive fit over possibly losing money

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Post by COZ » Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:39 am

edsb41 wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:28 am
@joe_sheehan:
2007: made money
2008: made money
2009: made money
2010: made money
2011: made money
2012: made money
2013: made money
2014: made money
2015: made money
2016: made money
2017: made money
2018: made money
2019: made money
2020: threw a massive fit over possibly losing money
:lol: Joe Sheehan with the detailed forensic accounting breakdown.
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Post by COZ » Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:43 am

And like clockwork, as I've been saying...The original agreement that was made back in March with the players for pro-rata salaries will be announced once they can announce that Corona is a HOAX & we will have games with fans. The amount of you falling for the misdirection is astounding.

Breaking: MLB commissioner Rob Manfred and players union chief Tony Clark had what’s being called a productive meeting face to face in Arizona. Meeting was called at Manfred’s request.
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Re: Open Chat With Greg, Tom & Darik

Post by Gekko » Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:54 pm

Greg - Please ensure Coz and I are in the same league together this year!!!!!!

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Post by COZ » Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:05 pm

Gekko wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:54 pm
Greg - Please ensure Coz and I are in the same league together this year!!!!!!
:lol: In fact, like the NFL did with a 10 year agreement, I will go so far as to predict an entire new CBA Agreement not just for this year. 8-)
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Post by COZ » Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:14 pm

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