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Greg Ambrosius wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:44 am

never doubt the Coz.

edsb41 wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:17 am

FFS. Is this an NFBC or QAnon message board?

Cotton1 wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:47 am

Man, we are running out of time....

The arrogance of both sides is infuriating/maddening/disgusting

I hate to peg MLB against the NFL and NBA but at least they could figure it out and not turn off the public in the process

Wolfpac wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:49 am

It’s clear with today’s proposal the owners have drawn a line in the sand and can only afford about 35% of total salaries, they keep presenting the same deal in different flavors. Makeup on a pig.

Gates wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:20 am

Great move from the union. This might actually give us a 70 games season. I could completely be in left field here but let see. If MLB wants to start the season mid July. There is 11 weeks up to Sept 27. If they wish to play let say 55 games, that would be 5 games a week. How can MLB at this point say that 7 games a week is too much? Health? What is the difference on a health front between 5 or 7? Not an excuse, Right. Now if MLB change the prorata % because of a higher number of games to play,they would not respect the initial agreement (100%). Didn’t MLB just lose their best angle, « time ». How can Commish explain that 50 is what needs to be enforced Now? They have enough time to play at least 66 games at the very least if they wish to implement a travel day each week.

I think MLBPA just played their best card.

Philippe27 wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:15 am

Gates wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:20 am

Great move from the union. This might actually give us a 70 games season. I could completely be in left field here but let see. If MLB wants to start the season mid July. There is 11 weeks up to Sept 27. If they wish to play let say 55 games, that would be 5 games a week. How can MLB at this point say that 7 games a week is too much? Health? What is the difference on a health front between 5 or 7? Not an excuse, Right. Now if MLB change the prorata % because of a higher number of games to play,they would not respect the initial agreement (100%). Didn’t MLB just lose their best angle, « time ». How can Commish explain that 50 is what needs to be enforced Now? They have enough time to play at least 66 games at the very least if they wish to implement a travel day each week.

I think MLBPA just played their best card.

Owners smartest response moneywise would be to make 2 proposals:
1. Force a 48 games season as per March 26th agreement
2. Offer 58 games with expanded playoffs for 2 years.

They'd make more money from option 2 but they're fine with either and they force the players to make a decision. Either the players look bad by choosing the shorter season or they choose slightly longer and owners avoid a grievance.

i hope you're right but my guess is they'll delay the start of the season of it's shorter, maybe make it a real spring training so that everyone is 100% ready to go when the season starts.

Philippe27 wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:43 am

The owners have to get the players' approval for expanded playoffs and that's probably worth 500 million over the next 2 years. So if they want that they have to get the players to sign on it.

They should have made that offer a month ago but I don't think they're ready to give up that money. I guess we'll find out today

Gates wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:58 am

Philippe27 wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:43 am

The owners have to get the players' approval for expanded playoffs and that's probably worth 500 million over the next 2 years. So if they want that they have to get the players to sign on it.

They should have made that offer a month ago but I don't think they're ready to give up that money. I guess we'll find out today

Exactly and perfect. We are not accepting any playoffs arrangements so just pick the games number you want and when we have to report. Over and out. Owners are not negotiating since the beginning anyway. They always offered the same deal in different format.

Gates wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:20 am

Great move from the union. This might actually give us a 70 games season. I could completely be in left field here but let see. If MLB wants to start the season mid July. There is 11 weeks up to Sept 27. If they wish to play let say 55 games, that would be 5 games a week. How can MLB at this point say that 7 games a week is too much? Health? What is the difference on a health front between 5 or 7? Not an excuse, Right. Now if MLB change the prorata % because of a higher number of games to play,they would not respect the initial agreement (100%). Didn’t MLB just lose their best angle, « time ». How can Commish explain that 50 is what needs to be enforced Now? They have enough time to play at least 66 games at the very least if they wish to implement a travel day each week.

I think MLBPA just played their best card.

Greg Ambrosius wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:51 am

Gates wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:20 am

Great move from the union. This might actually give us a 70 games season. I could completely be in left field here but let see. If MLB wants to start the season mid July. There is 11 weeks up to Sept 27. If they wish to play let say 55 games, that would be 5 games a week. How can MLB at this point say that 7 games a week is too much? Health? What is the difference on a health front between 5 or 7? Not an excuse, Right. Now if MLB change the prorata % because of a higher number of games to play,they would not respect the initial agreement (100%). Didn’t MLB just lose their best angle, « time ». How can Commish explain that 50 is what needs to be enforced Now? They have enough time to play at least 66 games at the very least if they wish to implement a travel day each week.

I think MLBPA just played their best card.

You are exactly right Gaetan. The PA has told the owners to decide when and where the season starts by Monday, June 15th. If it takes a week to bring players in and three weeks for spring training the selected start time of July 14th makes sense. The owners don't want that because to limit the regular season to 48-50 games they'd have to start after August 1st and end by September 27th. And now there's no expanded playoffs for two years, which was estimated at $180 million per year for the owners.

The owners were never going to give a new proposal, so the players did the right thing. Manfred can mandate how many games to play per the March agreement and any players with existing conditions don't have to play this year. It's a mess all around, but especially for the owners now. They likely will come back with something like 60-65 games and as you say play 5-6 games per week, which everyone knows could be expanded to 6-7 games per week. If they want the players to agree to the expanded playoffs then they need to spice up the number of games. If they don't want all players to avoid playing this year, they MUST offer more than 48-50 games. If they do that, the season is dead.

It's a mess all around, but the owners should have agreed to 72-75 games with pro-rated salaries (100%), get the two years of expanded playoffs and ask for deferred payments for some players into 2021. That's the best solution now to start on July 14th and keep some semblance of peace. And the players realized that.

I think the players also know that the March agreement had language in it that they did not have to take any less than full salary and Manfred is in hot trouble with the owners over that language. A grievance against the owners could be in the players' favor, resulting in damages. Just poorly, poorly played by the management side and a fiasco for baseball fans everywhere. Including here.

Let's see what comes out of Monday's announcement and then we'll quickly decide what needs to be done here. Thanks all.

Gates wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:29 am

Greg Ambrosius wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:51 am

Gates wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:20 am

Great move from the union. This might actually give us a 70 games season. I could completely be in left field here but let see. If MLB wants to start the season mid July. There is 11 weeks up to Sept 27. If they wish to play let say 55 games, that would be 5 games a week. How can MLB at this point say that 7 games a week is too much? Health? What is the difference on a health front between 5 or 7? Not an excuse, Right. Now if MLB change the prorata % because of a higher number of games to play,they would not respect the initial agreement (100%). Didn’t MLB just lose their best angle, « time ». How can Commish explain that 50 is what needs to be enforced Now? They have enough time to play at least 66 games at the very least if they wish to implement a travel day each week.

I think MLBPA just played their best card.

You are exactly right Gaetan. The PA has told the owners to decide when and where the season starts by Monday, June 15th. If it takes a week to bring players in and three weeks for spring training the selected start time of July 14th makes sense. The owners don't want that because to limit the regular season to 48-50 games they'd have to start after August 1st and end by September 27th. And now there's no expanded playoffs for two years, which was estimated at $180 million per year for the owners.

The owners were never going to give a new proposal, so the players did the right thing. Manfred can mandate how many games to play per the March agreement and any players with existing conditions don't have to play this year. It's a mess all around, but especially for the owners now. They likely will come back with something like 60-65 games and as you say play 5-6 games per week, which everyone knows could be expanded to 6-7 games per week. If they want the players to agree to the expanded playoffs then they need to spice up the number of games. If they don't want all players to avoid playing this year, they MUST offer more than 48-50 games. If they do that, the season is dead.

It's a mess all around, but the owners should have agreed to 72-75 games with pro-rated salaries (100%), get the two years of expanded playoffs and ask for deferred payments for some players into 2021. That's the best solution now to start on July 14th and keep some semblance of peace. And the players realized that.

I think the players also know that the March agreement had language in it that they did not have to take any less than full salary and Manfred is in hot trouble with the owners over that language. A grievance against the owners could be in the players' favor, resulting in damages. Just poorly, poorly played by the management side and a fiasco for baseball fans everywhere. Including here.

Let's see what comes out of Monday's announcement and then we'll quickly decide what needs to be done here. Thanks all.

If they were to offer 60-65 with new prorata to comeback to the same damn offer, they just don’t Care. Players should just say never mind. If they offer 60-65 games at 100, then Players could say ok to playoff request for this year only. If they offer 70-75 games, then accept the playoff request for this year and next.