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I feel your pain this week. News came out yesterday that Howard will miss the Mon-Wed series this week, and then be re-evaluated on Friday...with the possibility of a stint on the DL. Looks like a week of zeros is a possibility.



Just 2 weeks ago I experienced almost the same exact situation as this, so I feel your pain.



Like I posted on the boards, I wish there was a mechanism that could limit this type of owner frustrations. Clearly it's not a reflection of your skill level.



Twice-a-week hitter moves would do such a thing. Same goes for not locking lineups until 5 minutes before each players first game of the week. Both ideas have been shot down, and Thome, Howard, etc owners are forced to take zeros.



Maybe once enough owners get burned by this, their opinions will change.

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

I feel your pain this week. News came out yesterday that Howard will miss the Mon-Wed series this week, and then be re-evaluated on Friday...with the possibility of a stint on the DL. Looks like a week of zeros is a possibility. Howard got into last night's game as a pinch hitter -- more often than not, additional playing time will follow.

Originally posted by King of Queens:

Howard got into last night's game as a pinch hitter -- more often than not, additional playing time will follow. Another line of thought would be the only thing that did is push his DL time another day...just like with thome.

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

Just 2 weeks ago I experienced almost the same exact situation as this, so I feel your pain.

Let's be accurate here, GG. Two weeks ago your Jim Thome got hurt in a Monday night game, sat out several games and then got hurt on his first swing in a Friday night game. What rule change would have helped you in that situation? Injuries are part of the game and some injuries are day-to-day. Thome went on the DL that weekend, but he played twice that week.



Man, I understand the frustration of injuries as much as you do. But what rule change would have allowed you to micromanage that injury? Twice a week moves? Knowing that Thome was good to go for the weekend series? Starting lineups later on Monday even though games started at 7:05 EST that day? Let me know and I'll consider.

No need for a twice a week lineup change (though it wouldn't bother me) but how about the ability to change a player when he goes on the DL versus having to wait until Friday? Say a player goes down on Tuesday, allow the change to occur on Wed for that player only. Maybe the software doesn't allow for that but I wouldn't think it would be hard to do once the player got the official DL tag next to his name. However, admittedly, I'm not a computer geek and don't know how difficult that would be. You're right Greg, that injuries are a part of the game and in a couple of my sat leagues, I've got 5 guys on the DL right now. However, we should have the ability to manage like a big league club and get a replacement in as soon as the player is placed on the DL.

Greg - the twice-a-week hitter moves could have solved the thome issue. Maybe it wouldn't. But the point is that it would have been my decision to go with a banged up thome or a healthy player on my bench. Since you said 2 hitter moves a week isn't a possibility, owners will continue to be put in the situation I was in. Again, once owners get burned enough or once they become "more active" owners, then maybe their opinions will change.

Originally posted by bucks66:

No need for a twice a week lineup change (though it wouldn't bother me) but how about the ability to change a player when he goes on the DL versus having to wait until Friday? Daily DL moves? No chance! Owners are to busy for DAILY moves. If they didn't check their teams EVERYDAY, they could be at a disadvantage.

I can see your desire to fully manage your team, Gecko...but a league this size wants to maximize a level playing field to all of its owners.



I'd guess there are quite a few others with handheld internet accessible devices for checking player updates/DL placements, and also have the ability to log in and change their roster. I'd also guess the vast majority do not.



This "not" group fills this league up, and in an effort to balance "control over roster" with "level playing field to all" including those who do not work on computers, nor own handheld devices is what Greg wants.



Just my guess.



~Lance

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

Greg - the twice-a-week hitter moves could have solved the thome issue. Maybe it wouldn't. But the point is that it would have been my decision to go with a banged up thome or a healthy player on my bench. Since you said 2 hitter moves a week isn't a possibility, owners will continue to be put in the situation I was in. Again, once owners get burned enough or once they become "more active" owners, then maybe their opinions will change. Just don't misrepresent the facts. Thome did NOT miss the whole week and thus you started a healthy Thome on Monday and a healthy Thome on Friday. He got hurt both days. Twice-a-week hitter moves may be good for you, but as I've stated before I don't think it's in the best interests of the main event. Feel free to keep pushing your agenda, but do so honestly with the facts. Howard is definitely battling a quad injury and might not be put on the DL until he visits a doctor on Friday. That hurts, no doubt. And in this case the Friday DL rule may not help those owners. It's a bummer all around.

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Man, I understand the frustration of injuries as much as you do. But what rule change would have allowed you to micromanage that injury? Starting lineups later on Monday even though games started at 7:05 EST that day? Let me know and I'll consider. as for Ryan Howard, i see the news that he was going to miss the diamondbacks series was posted about 50 minutes before the phillies game last night. if owners with philly players had up until 5 minutes before the phillies game to choose their players, perhaps some would have decided to bench howard for a healthy player. this is only one example of many where NFBC owners haven't heard any injury updates to players prior to the Monday lineup deadline.

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Just don't misrepresent the facts. you started a healthy Thome on Monday and a healthy Thome on Friday. i started a healthy thome on MONDAY. i didn't have an option to change him after monday.

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

. Feel free to keep pushing your agenda, but do so honestly with the facts.. The only agenda I have is to make skill a more significant part of the NFBC. Others don't want that for various reasons, not enough time, less business, etc...

bucks, I am a computer geek and that change would take about 30 minutes tops. And that is being generous.

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

. Feel free to keep pushing your agenda, but do so honestly with the facts.. The only agenda I have is to make skill a more significant part of the NFBC. Others don't want that for various reasons, not enough time, less business, etc... [/QUOTE]Very true and honest.



That pretty well sums it up. Not wishing to give an advantage to some, and a disadvantage to others is the hard part.



...and maximizing the amount of entries who feel they have no real disadvantage due to working for a living is as high of a priority as anything.



~Lance

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

. Feel free to keep pushing your agenda, but do so honestly with the facts.. The only agenda I have is to make skill a more significant part of the NFBC. Others don't want that for various reasons, not enough time, less business, etc... [/QUOTE]how is being perched in front of a computer from 12:30pm - 10:15pm monday (or monday to friday for that matter) in order to catch the latest injury report skill ? Having a robust/flexible reserve does show good roster management skill so if Thomas is DL'd thus then if I can swap him out friday good for me. But can't I enjoy my Hungry Man frozen dinner at 6:30 and not worry about the pc hawks getting an edge on me due to some injury benching ?? Where's the skill there ? To me it's just called being opportunistic.



Q



[ May 08, 2007, 11:33 AM: Message edited by: Quahogs ]

Originally posted by Quahogs:

how is being perched in front of a computer from 12:30pm - 10:15pm monday (or monday to friday for that matter) in order to catch the latest injury report skill ? Having a robust/flexible reserve does show good roster management skill so if Thomas is DL'd thus then if I can swap him out friday good for me. But can't I enjoy my Hungry Man frozen dinner at 6:30 and not worry about the pc hawks getting an edge on me due to some injury benching ?? Where's the skill there ? To me it's just called being opportunistic. Quoted for truth. There's more to "skill" than putting time into something.

Originally posted by Quahogs:

how is being perched in front of a computer from 12:30pm - 10:15pm monday (or monday to friday for that matter) in order to catch the latest injury report skill ? Having a robust/flexible reserve does show good roster management skill so if Thomas is DL'd thus then if I can swap him out friday good for me. But can't I enjoy my Hungry Man frozen dinner at 6:30 and not worry about the pc hawks getting an edge on me due to some injury benching ?? Where's the skill there ? To me it's just called being opportunistic.



Q In the fantasy realm, success is usually broken into 2 categories, skill and luck.



Having thome sit 6 out of 7 days is luck. Having howard sit for the entire week would be luck too.



Btw, how you conduct your research is 100% skill. While you might "perch", others may be more skillful.

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:

how is being perched in front of a computer from 12:30pm - 10:15pm monday (or monday to friday for that matter) in order to catch the latest injury report skill ? Having a robust/flexible reserve does show good roster management skill so if Thomas is DL'd thus then if I can swap him out friday good for me. But can't I enjoy my Hungry Man frozen dinner at 6:30 and not worry about the pc hawks getting an edge on me due to some injury benching ?? Where's the skill there ? To me it's just called being opportunistic.



Q In the fantasy realm, success is usually broken into 2 categories, skill and luck.



Having thome sit 6 out of 7 days is luck. Having howard sit for the entire week would be luck too.



Btw, how you conduct your research is 100% skill. While you might "perch", others may be more skillful. [/QUOTE]LOL, true, I have yet to find a frozen dinner tray that's compatible with my blackberry.



Q

as for Ryan Howard, i see the news that he was going to miss the diamondbacks series was posted about 50 minutes before the phillies game last night. if owners with philly players had up until 5 minutes before the phillies game to choose their players, perhaps some would have decided to bench howard for a healthy player. Gekko, I've always been a supporter of yours; however, Howard has been bothered by leg problems and injuries all season. I think owners should have thought twice about starting Howard. I know you start your 1st round pick, but at some point you need to make a decision as to what is more beneficial to your team...wanting to start him and then swap him out the day they announce he's not playing or DL'ed is not great management...it's hedging your bets...



Example - Luis Castillo was having leg problems a couple weeks ago, instead of waiting to see if he was DL'ed, I picked up Alex Gonzalez, started him as MI and he put up great numbers. I know Castillo and Howard are on two different levels, but the move to locate a sutiable replacement paid off.



The injury problems have been documented this year on Howard:



Here is a recap of injury related info from rototimes:



May 7, 2007

Ryan Howard admitted yesterday that the strained left thigh he sustained March 1 has affected him ever since, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer. "Right now, my leg and everything like that - I can't get comfortable," Howard said. "It's tough to get it where it feels good." He added that a couple of weeks on the disabled list could help, though there are no plans for such a move right now.

April 29, 2007

Still nursing a sore leg, and hitting just .148 against left-handers, Ryan Howard was rested last night against starter Dontrelle Willis, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer. "I think this is a good time to get him a break," Manuel said. "I think this might help his [leg]."

April 22, 2007

Ryan Howard celebrated his return to the lineup Sunday with a home run and three RBI. Howard had missed the previous three games with a sprained ligament just below his left knee.

April 21, 2007

Ryan Howard missed his third consecutive start on Saturday with a sprained ligament just below his left knee. He is expected to return to the lineup on Sunday.



Where I will agree with you, is that the day of the announcement also plays in to the situation. If Howard's comments were posted the day before (Sunday) owners would have had better chance to prepare.



One final example...I came into work yesterday, had a meeting all morning and couldn't check the internet, come to find out, Gagne will resume closer role Tuesday (today). I left him reserved and have Otsuka starting...no skill there, just lack of access to internet before early game started.



Ok, pick it apart...

Originally posted by poopy tooth:

I think owners should have thought twice about starting Howard. I know you start your 1st round pick, but at some point you need to make a decision as to what is more beneficial to your team... Poopy - I got to be honest. That is some of the biggest horseshitt I've seen on these boards. Howard was healthy enough on sunday to hit a homerun.



Prior to the monday 12:30 lineup squeeze no one knew that howard was getting benched cause the philly game didn't start till after 9pm.

Here's an idea, though not sure if STATS would be able to handle it: why not have the Monday deadline each week at 7:05pm? The only exception would be for players in the early Monday game like yesterday, Patriots Day, etc. This way, people would have more time to make a final decision on their weekly lineups. It's may only be 5 weeks that this is a problem, but that's still 20 percent of the season. To me, it'd be a nice compromise.

Originally posted by King of Queens:

It's may only be 5 weeks that this is a problem, but that's still 20 percent of the season. To me, it'd be a nice compromise. I'm not sure where this 5 weeks is coming from. I count another 7 times for the remainder of the year. There is probably a total of 10+ times for the entire year.

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

It's may only be 5 weeks that this is a problem, but that's still 20 percent of the season. To me, it'd be a nice compromise. I'm not sure where this 5 weeks is coming from. I count another 7 times for the remainder of the year. There is probably a total of 10+ times for the entire year. [/QUOTE]If your numbers are correct, then the earlier deadline may be something of a problem. Certainly having a later deadline would give you more opportunity to make an informed decision. So, 7pm on Monday for everyone except players involved in the early game.

Well put Quahogs!



To most of us whom fill these leagues, this is a part time gig. When it becomes a full time job, that's when (IMO) most will get out. There are only a few, if any, who can make a living out of this.



Next up, daily FAAB's.



[ May 08, 2007, 02:08 PM: Message edited by: nydownunder ]

Rolled the dice with couple guys this week, including Howard and lost. Live with it. You pays your money you take your chances.