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I noticed that Chad Cordero is on the bereavement list. If he is still on that list on Friday, will it work the same as the DL, where we can get him out of our lineups for the weekend? I think MLB counts it the same, where teams can call up players in their place. Just wondering so I can plan on adding a pitcher or not.

i don't know- but there sure has been a lot of beareving on these boards lately

Owners are also allowed to remove a player (or players) who is officially on the DL from their starting lineup with one of their players from their reserve roster before each Friday's first game as long as the position eligibility works out. Players must officially be on Major League Baseball's DL list according to STATS and the NFBC by 12:01 a.m. on Friday for this move (or moves) to take effect for the weekend games.



i don't see how the bereavement list qualifies.



[ May 08, 2007, 04:34 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

Lizard,



It might qualify, since major league teams follow the same rules as far as calling players up as they do when players go on the DL. Hence the reason for the question, Im sure.

Originally posted by Brilee's Brigade:

Lizard,



It might qualify, since major league teams follow the same rules as far as calling players up as they do when players go on the DL. Hence the reason for the question, Im sure. major league teams may be able to call up a player to replace someone on the BL - Bereavement List, but BL DL. the NFBC DL rule is to help owners with disabled players...meaning the players are gone for at least 15 days. it helps take some of the sting away from having a hurt player.



conversely, players on the Bereavement list are not disabled, and i haven't heard of one being out for 15 days.



if we want the Bereavement List added to the rules, next year would be the starting point IMO



[ May 08, 2007, 05:07 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

Under baseball rules, a player must miss a minimum of three games and no more than seven while on the bereavement list.

Originally posted by freddiezee:

I noticed that Chad Cordero is on the bereavement list. If he is still on that list on Friday, will it work the same as the DL, where we can get him out of our lineups for the weekend? I think MLB counts it the same, where teams can call up players in their place. Just wondering so I can plan on adding a pitcher or not. No, they are not placed on a team's 15-day DL list when they make this list. But I'll double check with STATS to be sure and report back on here.

Greg i think this would be a good rule for next year, the bereavement rule.Treat it like the dl rule , i have Cordero in 3 leagues and could get a zero for the week, i realize they are saying 3 to 7 days , but would like the option to take him out on friday if he isnt back at that point.

I also like the talk on the twice a week moves , seems to be somewhere in the middle.

Just some thoughts, THANK'S.

I believe that for MLB roster purposes, suspended players are treated like DL players. If anyone (heavens!) had Juan Salas in their lineup this week, do the bereavement folks think a Friday-replacement should be allowed? What if a guy was caught cheating with a foreign substance or corked bat? Should we allow the replacement then?



[ May 09, 2007, 08:17 AM: Message edited by: King of Queens ]

STATS has confirmed that players on the bereavement list do not go on an MLB DL list. Cordero will remain active in the NFBC this week.

Stuff happens!

We don't need a rule for every boo boo or bereavment leave or runny nose, it's all part of the game.

I was in favor of the DL rule when first proposed but have since grown to dislike it. Owners of players like Milton Bradley, who can't play unless its 72 degrees, has a Manager who constantly throws sunshine his way, and has his mommy kiss him goodbye in the morning enjoy stats Fri-Sun while he is on the DL.

Then there is a case like Johnny Damon. If anybody has seen Damon play this year they would know this guy isn't 100 percent. But Damon knows his team needs him and he's proud that he has never been on the DL in his career. His fantasy owners get zeroes while he works through his injury for a weekend.

Just my take.



[ May 09, 2007, 08:28 AM: Message edited by: DOUGHBOYS ]

Didn't mean to start anything.....my only point was that I thought that in MLB when a guy goes on the bereavement list he is out for a minimum amount of time (like the DL, just a different number of days) and that his MLB team can call up a player from their farm system to take his spot on the roster until he gets back, so maybe fantasy teams should be allowed to do the same thing.

Originally posted by freddiezee:

Didn't mean to start anything.....my only point was that I thought that in MLB when a guy goes on the bereavement list he is out for a minimum amount of time (like the DL, just a different number of days) and that his MLB team can call up a player from their farm system to take his spot on the roster until he gets back, so maybe fantasy teams should be allowed to do the same thing. There's never a set amount of time that players go on the bereavement list. In fact, MLB teams frequently use this rule to their advantage -- teams will put a starting pitcher on the BL right after his start in order to carry an extra reliever or bench hitter. Happens all the time.

Im a Cordero owner, and although I wish he were DLd, the way he's been pitching maybe it's better if he stays on the shelf for a while. Hell - if he keeps pitching like this, I'm going to put myself on the bereavement list.

As far as I know, the bereavement list does have a set amount of time.....a minimum of 3 days and a maximum of 7. So, it is kind of like the DL, except with smaller numbers than the 15 day and 60 day. I had never heard of teams stashing players there, as I thought that the onus was on the team to prove that there is a personal emergency before being allowed to call up another player. Either way, it's not currently part of the NFBC rules and it probably doesn't happen often enough to warrant a lot of consideration.

Originally posted by freddiezee:

As far as I know, the bereavement list does have a set amount of time.....a minimum of 3 days and a maximum of 7. So, it is kind of like the DL, except with smaller numbers than the 15 day and 60 day. I had never heard of teams stashing players there, as I thought that the onus was on the team to prove that there is a personal emergency before being allowed to call up another player. Either way, it's not currently part of the NFBC rules and it probably doesn't happen often enough to warrant a lot of consideration. I had a chance to look this up: you are correct about the min/max. You are also correct about it not happening enough to make a rule amendment -- same as suspended players.

This is getting comical. Every week, brings another "unexpected" way of WHY the Friday DL Rule needs to either be A) Eliminated completely or B)Expanded to allow an owner to adjust his roster by the restrictions of is own thirty man squad every Friday.



I don't own Chad Cordero, but see NO reason why an NFBC owner shouldn't be allowed to replace him on the news of the bereavment leave provided that one of the owners seven reserves are a pitcher. ( I fully understand this isn't possible the way the rules read for 2007 )



For those that say we can't have twice a week moves, I'll submit that IF you have a player with a DL next to his name you would find the two minutes on Friday it takes to make the move.





E Encarnacion gets sent DOWN - another example of a player that probably has a high percentage within the NFBC in which owners take 3 more days of blanks.





This all comes back to the Friday D/L rule - it needs to be seriously addressed for 2008. Current rule is simply not sufficient.

IMO...



On the one hand, we certainly can't change the rules now.



On the other hand, anything we can do to remove bad luck from the equation for next year, is a good idea.



Early on, we suffered all the rainouts. Last week, we suffered the Cuddyer thing. Things like that do hurt, and no amount of skill can overcome the inability to do something with your lineup.



So, make changes so that skill CAN overcome unexpected events.



John

I can see the "But the manager SAID he was going to give (insert player here) a game or two off Saturday and Sunday to rest...why can't we replace him!"



I do understand...but there's a point where we seem to claim skill when a player gets AB's, and luck when he doesn't. It's neither our skill nor our bad fortune...it's baseball.



These guys play 6 times a week. Some players surpass 600 AB's. Suck these lost games up...no team goes untouched by the injury bug.



Moving back to weekly sure would solve the daily problems. Change the day to set lineups on to Sunday when most everyone is home (like football) instead of Monday. (Not sure if that will work.)



Not looking for an argument...just get a kick out of all the skill we claim when we never even pick up a ball or bat...but rather just hope our drafted players get the job done.



~Lance



[ May 11, 2007, 12:07 AM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]

PS...Thank you Stats for making the green for positive and red for negative on the daily league ranking. I do miss the weekly stats. Is there any chance of another line being added in between current and season?



Also...cool putting the little baseballs next to the pitchers slated to pitch!



Thanks!



~Lance

Originally posted by Sack:





E Encarnacion gets sent DOWN - another example of a player that probably has a high percentage within the NFBC in which owners take 3 more days of blanks.



How does that differ from all the prior weeks?

It doesn't differ. It reaffirms the point that between Monday and Friday things change.



I LIKE the idea of being able to react to player transactions and news. Any changes available to me on Friday would strictly play into how I set my reserve list up as to whether I could make a change.



Why should Dave Roberts owners be allowed to replace HIM while those owning Chad Cordero and Edwin Encarnacion owners take blanks. Sorry, it doesn't add up and each Friday brings home another example.

Originally posted by Sack:





Why should Dave Roberts owners be allowed to replace HIM while those owning Chad Cordero and Edwin Encarnacion owners take blanks. Sorry, it doesn't add up and each Friday brings home another example. Why should owners get to replace players that suck and get sent down?

Why should NFBC owners be restricted to Friday moves strictly on the whim on a MLB team and when they choose to place a player on the DL?



Argument has nothing to do with Encarnacion - it is just another example of giving the owner more control of his team. Add the BEREAVMENT list. I'm sure by next Friday we'll have another example.

Originally posted by Sack:

Why should NFBC owners be restricted to Friday moves strictly on the whim on a MLB team and when they choose to place a player on the DL?



Argument has nothing to do with Encarnacion - it is just another example of giving the owner more control of his team. Add the BEREAVMENT list. I'm sure by next Friday we'll have another example. We already do -- suspended players